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Old 03-03-2013, 09:49 PM   #1
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MS-8 set up question

ok front speakers are hertz 165 XL components. tweeters and mid speaker are going through the cross over supplied. rear speakers polk mm 691 6x9 also using the suplied crossover that came with them. on the set up menu on the ms-8 it says one way 2 way and 3 way. one way if full range and 2 way are a mid driver and tweeter. how would i set this up on my front channels? I assumed 1 way becouse the mid and tweet are seperate. but they do both get their power from the cross over. ??? the rear only have a one way or full range option but to be sure ????..


then the book talks about hertz for the front speakers has a recomended setting of 50hz through 10,000khz. and the rear sugest 100hz
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Old 03-03-2013, 10:13 PM   #2
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Your front are 1 way because you used the crossover.
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:09 PM   #3
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Your front are 1 way because you used the crossover.

ok next question. The MS-8 did not like the 2 way setup i put in it and now no longer has any output. Im going to give it up for a wile and try again later. I hope i did not mess this thing up??? the speakers came on and i got to the check your work part. I turned up the volume some and it just quit . the power light and everything is still on and it acts as if nothing is wrong with it, but no output. i reset it and started over from scratch. the speaker came on but at a much lower volume and then it cut right off.. i was in the same mode check your work...
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Old 03-03-2013, 11:31 PM   #4
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no, I dont think it messed anything up. Just have to erase to default and start over
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:03 AM   #5
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So you're running head unit to your MS-8 via SubThump FARK harness via RCA's, correct?

Head unit -> FARK harness -> RCA cables -> MS-8 -> RCA cables -> JL Amplifier?
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:20 AM   #6
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So you're running head unit to your MS-8 via SubThump FARK harness via RCA's, correct?

Head unit -> FARK harness -> RCA cables -> MS-8 -> RCA cables -> JL Amplifier?
no I dont have the subthump harness. I used the wiring diagram and wired in a 4 outputs or RCA jacks... im using channel 1 and 2 on the MS-8 fed from the factory radio.
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:05 AM   #7
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So you're running head unit to your MS-8 via SubThump FARK harness via RCA's, correct?

Head unit -> FARK harness -> RCA cables -> MS-8 -> RCA cables -> JL Amplifier?
That did the trick. I set on on 1way and it works great. man this thing really clears out all the crap and gives a clear clear.. output..
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:15 AM   #8
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its a work in progress
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Old 03-04-2013, 04:22 AM   #9
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im still waiting on my slash 300/2 too get here. I hope this week so i can get the amp rack made and installed by next weekend I need to take the doors back apart and check out the speakers. if ya look in the 3rd picture down youll see a bit of white stuff on the speaker. thats were the rubber outer ring and the inner, cone started to come apart. IDK i guess Hertz got stingy with their glue.. no big deal but im still gona send them in.. I have a bit of touch up work on the speaker grills to do... then im gona be looking at a sub.......... dont tell the wife looking at one now
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:25 AM   #10
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LOL! I'll make ya a good deal on Rockford Fosgate T1D215 with a SubThump box if you want to come get it. Shipping would probably cost ya more than gas.

Glad everything is sounding good for you man!
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:01 PM   #11
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lol,, I bet your right about that. My brother inlaw has one of them. that thing weighs a ton.. he had to laminate 2 pices of one in MDF together to get 2 in thick. with bracing and 4 in screws he kept blowig his box apart... he used gorilla glue I dont remember the exact fosgate amp, but if i remember right it was 1200 bucks and like 2000 rms..
not sure.........
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:57 PM   #12
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Are you getting a shutdown pop with your MS-8?

I am, and nothing I have done to try and stop it has been successful. I'm really considering pulling the MS-8 out of my system, since my HD900.5 never popped.

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Old 03-04-2013, 09:52 PM   #13
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yea kinda weird . I never had a pop with my front channel till now?? my slash never poped at all now it does?????????????????
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The head unit is the cause of the pop. There are only 3 ways that I know of that can get rid of it.
1. Use the cigarette lighter as your remote turn-on - I have not tried this, but I hear this works.....
2. Replace your stock head unit with an aftermarket unit.
3. Use a Metra trigger for your remote.

Since both of you guys have it, do you have your JL amps using the same remote turn-on as the MS-8, or do you have the MS-8 controlling the remotes for the amps?
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The head unit is the cause of the pop. There are only 3 ways that I know of that can get rid of it.
1. Use the cigarette lighter as your remote turn-on - I have not tried this, but I hear this works.....
2. Replace your stock head unit with an aftermarket unit.
3. Use a Metra trigger for your remote.

Since both of you guys have it, do you have your JL amps using the same remote turn-on as the MS-8, or do you have the MS-8 controlling the remotes for the amps?
I have a Metra Trigger and a PAC TR-4, neither one worked. I have tried using the HU to control both the amp and MS-8 as well as letting the MS-8 control the stock amp.

I agree that it is the HU. I need the MS-8 to turn off before the HU, the the HU shuts faster than the remote line bleeds down. And the MS-8 shuts off very slow. Right now, I mute the MS-8 before I get out of the car.
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Old 03-05-2013, 11:08 PM   #16
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I have a Metra Trigger and a PAC TR-4, neither one worked. I have tried using the HU to control both the amp and MS-8 as well as letting the MS-8 control the stock amp.

I agree that it is the HU. I need the MS-8 to turn off before the HU, the the HU shuts faster than the remote line bleeds down. And the MS-8 shuts off very slow. Right now, I mute the MS-8 before I get out of the car.
Well, I can easily see why the PAC TR-4 doesn't work. It just provides a delay in turn-on.

Are you still using the HD900/5? Have you tried running the head unit remote to the MS-8 and the Trigger remote out to the HD900/5? I hate that you guys are having to deal with this. I almost lost my mind when I was dealing with the pop.
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OP, how were you able to install your speakers this way?? I love the look of them and I much rather use this install than behind the door covers. I want to add some 6.5 in components... But what did you use to be able to install them and have them showing????

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Well, I can easily see why the PAC TR-4 doesn't work. It just provides a delay in turn-on.

Are you still using the HD900/5? Have you tried running the head unit remote to the MS-8 and the Trigger remote out to the HD900/5? I hate that you guys are having to deal with this. I almost lost my mind when I was dealing with the pop.
Which mode did you use on the Trigger?
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Which mode did you use on the Trigger?
I believe that I was using Mode 5. Mode 12 might also work, but I'm pretty sure I was using Mode 5. I had no turn-off pop with the Trigger.
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the cigarette lighter lead in the console works. Thats how I got mine to be quiet.
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I believe that I was using Mode 5. Mode 12 might also work, but I'm pretty sure I was using Mode 5. I had no turn-off pop with the Trigger.
I will say that the downside of using Mode 5 with the MS-8 is the boot-time of the MS-8. Any time that the head unit is muted or turned off, the trigger remote is immediately cut off. When you un-mute the radio or turn the radio back on, there will be a delay because the MS-8 will have to boot up.

A possible solution would be to run the MS-8 to the cigarette lighter power and have the Trigger or stock head unit operate the amp turn-on. I'm kinda pi$$ed at myself for just now thinking of this solution.
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I will say that the downside of using Mode 5 with the MS-8 is the boot-time of the MS-8. Any time that the head unit is muted or turned off, the trigger remote is immediately cut off. When you un-mute the radio or turn the radio back on, there will be a delay because the MS-8 will have to boot up.

A possible solution would be to run the MS-8 to the cigarette lighter power and have the Trigger or stock head unit operate the amp turn-on. I'm kinda pi$$ed at myself for just now thinking of this solution.
That sounds like a good idea.

The only thing I would do different is to use a relay to turn the MS-8 on when I use the two with the key in the off position.
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I will say that the downside of using Mode 5 with the MS-8 is the boot-time of the MS-8. Any time that the head unit is muted or turned off, the trigger remote is immediately cut off. When you un-mute the radio or turn the radio back on, there will be a delay because the MS-8 will have to boot up.

A possible solution would be to run the MS-8 to the cigarette lighter power and have the Trigger or stock head unit operate the amp turn-on. I'm kinda pi$$ed at myself for just now thinking of this solution.
I'm going to be installing a an MS-8 setup in the next couple weeks. After reading about this, I think to avoid this issue, I am going to use the 12v from the cig adapter to the remote on the MS-8.

The MS-8 has a remote output, so what benefit would there be to running the HU remote or the Metra Trigger remote to the amps, instead of just using the remote out on the MS-8?
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I'm going to be installing a an MS-8 setup in the next couple weeks. After reading about this, I think to avoid this issue, I am going to use the 12v from the cig adapter to the remote on the MS-8.

The MS-8 has a remote output, so what benefit would there be to running the HU remote or the Metra Trigger remote to the amps, instead of just using the remote out on the MS-8?
I'd say give it a shot and let us know how it turns out. It could work.
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I'd say give it a shot and let us know how it turns out. It could work.
I'll be doing this soon and I will certainly report back. Just waiting on some PVC brackets for my doors. I went with the same supplier jeepguy_1980 did, and I'm hoping for the best.

My kitchen table looks like an authorized JBL dealer and I am getting antsy!

By the way I love how those 6.5" speakers look in the doors. I wish I was brave enough to dremel the covers off for a more exposed look.
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