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Old 05-09-2013, 02:53 PM   #1
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Track Weekend Review of RacingBrake 2 piece rotors

So, I have had my RacingBrake 2 piece rotors for a few weeks now. I just finished a 2 day track event on the Roval (road course) at Fontana or ACS. This road course features the front NASCAR straight and NASCAR turns 1 and 2 and a road course in the midfield. One day was scorching hot in the high 90's, not exactly brake friendly weather.

The braking needed to stop my 2 ton car from the straight after NASCAR 2 into turn 3 and 4 is massive. I was hitting 165-170 on the front NASCAR straight and hitting 150+ on the banked turns one and two. I needed to brake hard and brake fast to get the 90 degree left and then quick 90 degree right of turn 3 and 4. The RacingBrake rotors were up to the task. I was out braking cars that cost more than my house including Porsche, GTR, Boss 302, SuperSnakes, Saleens, Rousch and many other mustangs. Sadly the ZR1 and Z06 were also incapable of out braking me. NO BRAKE FADE!!!!! Ohhh yeah forgot to add I was out braking and driving these cars that should be whooping me with one useable arm and an automatic in Sport mode....no shifting. That means zero engine braking. Did I mention NO BRAKE FADE?!?!?!?!

Saying I out brake expensive cars is enough but that's not the whole story. The weight lost made my car quicker to accelerate, easier to turn in and even easier to brake combined with the improved braking performance of the rotors themselves. Quicker car and again NO BRAKE FADE...absolutely none.

The 2 piece rotors aren't just some sandcasted junk. They are built right with a dimpled slot and small holes in the slot to let gas and dust escape while helping dealing with heat. They are not just the run of the mill drilled/slotted rotors where they are sandcasted then drilled by machine which weakens the entire rotor and leads to cracking. The are machined and built with with dimple and holes in them so the hardness and rigidity of the metal is not compromised by the drill.

For you car show types these rotors are built right and will attract attention where ever you go. They will not have that unsightly rust that the oem and many other aftermarket rotors have. For the weight savings guys I lost 23 pounds of unsprung and rotational mass when it was all installed....for the MPG guys that means better fuel mileage as well. It really is the end all be all rotor for EVERY type of driver for our cars

RacingBrake are THE American made brake experts. Rotors, Pads, Caliper rebuild kits, and forged calipers for many vehicles.

I am trying to get enough interest in our community so they will build lightweight forged and very very pretty calipers for us. Beg, plead, and ask for light weight and beautiful calipers to go with their beautiful light weight rotors here 714-871-6392 or http://www.racingbrake.com/. Tell them Blake with silver camaro sent you and they will know what you want! I have been down to their shop and watched my rotors be assembled and browsed their isles and isles of pads and rotors and calipers and caliper rebuild kits....its like brake disney land.

Here a few pics of them testing the hardness of the rotor, assembling the 2 piece rotor, one pic of the rotor on my car with dirty and burned oem caliper, and the last is the rotor shining from behind my wheels.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:56 PM   #2
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What pads are you using?
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Pretty much sums up why I was willing to shell out the moneys for RB rotors. That and the fact that they're 23 pounds lighter than the stock rotors when it's all said and done.
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What pads are you using?
I was using HP+ front and RacingBrakes 800 rear. I will be using a track dedicated pad setup from RacingBrake on my next track weekend.....at Sonoma, yeaaaa!

edited to say figured youd be happy about my nice burnt golden color of my calipers
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:02 PM   #5
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Pretty much sums up why I was willing to shell out the moneys for RB rotors. That and the fact that they're 23 pounds lighter than the stock rotors when it's all said and done.
I forgot to add that to the review...spot on about the weight loss
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SWEET!!!! I wish I could afford them!!!!
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This is all true, I watched as he kicked the crap outta the other cars. There were 20 or so people coming over to see how he was kicking their butt. It was awesome.

Pete he needs better pads lol all I am saying.....or more pads lol sponsor anyone??
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This is all true, I watched as he kicked the crap outta the other cars. There were 20 or so people coming over to see how he was kicking their butt. It was awesome.

Pete he needs better pads lol all I am saying.....or more pads lol sponsor anyone??

Ya its always fun to see the mudstangs and super cars gather around a "lowly" heavy chevy and scratch their heads. Then to see their booboo face when they find out I drive one handed and auto in sport.
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Ya its always fun to see the mudstangs and super cars gather around a "lowly" heavy chevy and scratch their heads. Then to see their booboo face when they find out I drive one handed and auto in sport.

Yes, yes it is and was fun. They were hatin the first day and became friendly the next day when they knew they were beat.
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If you want the best, Racing Brake is it. No doubt about it. We just sent a set over night to a customer on the 2013 One Lap of America.
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If you want the best, Racing Brake is it. No doubt about it. We just sent a set over night to a customer on the 2013 One Lap of America.

Help me get the word out that there is a market for forged lightweight calipers too! People think the ctsv upgrade is the only way....its not and they need to know so we can get this product custom built by RacingBrake
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Help me get the word out that there is a market for forged lightweight calipers too! People think the ctsv upgrade is the only way....its not and they need to know so we can get this product custom built by RacingBrake
Interesting. Does RB say how much these calipers will weigh?
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The factory really is a Brake Disneyland inside!

I was just down there two days ago picking up stainless steel brake lines for my ZL1. I would have mentioned it to Warren, oops,too late.
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I was using HP+ front and RacingBrakes 800 rear. I will be using a track dedicated pad setup from RacingBrake on my next track weekend.....at Sonoma, yeaaaa!

edited to say figured youd be happy about my nice burnt golden color of my calipers


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This is all true, I watched as he kicked the crap outta the other cars. There were 20 or so people coming over to see how he was kicking their butt. It was awesome.

Pete he needs better pads lol all I am saying.....or more pads lol sponsor anyone??


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Help me get the word out that there is a market for forged lightweight calipers too! People think the ctsv upgrade is the only way....its not and they need to know so we can get this product custom built by RacingBrake
CTS-V Calipers are an excellent cost effective solution. We installed those on the PUSA Camaro back in 2010. Next thing you know GM is installing them on the ZL1 And then a 27mm solid front bar on the 1LE And then the 305/30/19s on the Z/28 Not to mention the upgraded front sub-frame bushes in 2012 and the rock hard front sub-frame bushes in the ZL1

Excuse me while I take a deep breath

In our efforts to stay ahead of the Camaro TEAM (which isn't easy ) I have been speaking with Brembo for about 18 months about killer brakes for the 5th Gen. The calipers need to be a step below a full racing brake so they can be used on the street. (Full racing brake calipers are high maintenance.) The GT-R Caliper is spot on. It has no exterior dust seals to over heat and disintegrate. Is machine from a block of billet aluminum. SS Inserts to insulate the piston from the heat of the backing plate.






The calipers will work with iron or composite rotors. They have a new composite rotor that does not need to be replaced when scratched like the OE CF rotors.

If you have driven a ZL1 you will understand what I am about to say. My lasting impression of a ZL1 is the brakes are beyond ridiculous. You feel like you can stop on a dime from ANY speed.

How far along are the RB Calipers?
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Interesting. Does RB say how much these calipers will weigh?
I held the last gen ctsv front oem caliper (which is our camaro front) and a forged set of their own they said would fit our rotor but mounting is off and it was significant....i should have weighed it since they have a scale.

its forged and has lost a lot of that extra crap that is on our calipers for no reason...like the big bulges and lines and what not from the sand casting

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I was just down there two days ago picking up stainless steel brake lines for my ZL1. I would have mentioned it to Warren, oops,too late.
call him!! email them!!

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In our efforts to stay ahead of the Camaro TEAM (which isn't easy ) I have been speaking with Brembo for about 18 months about killer brakes for the 5th Gen. The calipers need to be a step below a full racing brake so they can be used on the street. (Full racing brake calipers are high maintenance.) The GT-R Caliper is spot on. It has no exterior dust seals to over heat and disintegrate. Is machine from a block of billet aluminum. SS Inserts to insulate the piston from the heat of the backing plate.


If you have driven a ZL1 you will understand what I am about to say. My lasting impression of a ZL1 is the brakes are beyond ridiculous. You feel like you can stop on a dime from ANY speed.

How far along are the RB Calipers?
the gtr caliper racingbrake makes is a improvement over oem gtr...i actually ran into a full race gtr running racing brakes whole setup

brembo is ridiculously expensive...not forged...heavy...and Italian. Perhaps you can try a set of racingbrake everything and give feedback since you have such a cult following. everything you described about the brembo or was it the gtr caliper they have at racing brake. their calipers are easier to change pads then our oem brakes if you can imagine that.

racingbrake is all about losing weight managing heat and stopping better

and yes I have driven both a current gen ctsv and a zl1....they can brake well but they aren't the end all be all that is represented on this forum. also those conversion kits aren't exactly cheap and you cant run 18 inch wheels with them aka more weight loss with less wheel weight

Mr. Pete I know you have friends and trusted partners in the industry like forgeline and what not but I promise you wont be disappointed if you made nice with racingbrake. Visit them at the next sema or something.


RacingBrake said they would get on a camaro/old ctsv forged caliper with all the goodies and direct bolt on capability if I drummed up enough interest i asked for a number and he said 10 might be sellable to the boss....he wasn't there today for the first time i have been there

I can talk all day about racingbrake but eventually it will sound like I work there.

so call, email, and let them know that Blake with silver camaro isn't the only one that wants mooooooooorrrreeeeeeeeee!
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The next time you speak with them pass on my name. Who would you suggest I speak with.
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The next time you speak with them pass on my name. Who would you suggest I speak with.


Warren is the owner. In my brief history with them he's been the one I have spoken with when I have a question. Just to add he also gave me the tour when I picked up my front and rear rotors from them.
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Roval is a great track! You were hitting 165 in the straight…thats great! You must be supercharged. Great job!
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The next time you speak with them pass on my name. Who would you suggest I speak with.
The owners name is Warren Linn(i think sorry bad with names)...I have his business card but couldnt find it in the stack. I will be back there next week to pick up some upgraded pistons for my stock calipers and beg them to make a forged one for us.
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Roval is a great track! You were hitting 165 in the straight…thats great! You must be supercharged. Great job!
nope na all the way. If i didnt hit the last 2 turns perfectly I would be 150ish.
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Roval is a great track! You were hitting 165 in the straight…thats great! You must be supercharged. Great job!


I was able to tap 170 mph on my Ducati 999S when I did a track day there. I want to get my ZL1 out there and run it! The lead instructor was teaching us to stay up near the wall to get thru the chicane cleanly, what an adrenaline rush!
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The owners name is Warren Linn(i think sorry bad with names)...I have his business card but couldnt find it in the stack. I will be back there next week to pick up some upgraded pistons for my stock calipers and beg them to make a forged one for us.

nope na all the way. If i didnt hit the last 2 turns perfectly I would be 150ish.

Keep asking him and you may eventually succeed.
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I was able to tap 170 mph on my Ducati 999S when I did a track day there. I want to get my ZL1 out there and run it! The lead instructor was teaching us to stay up near the wall to get thru the chicane cleanly, what an adrenaline rush!
ya its best to track up after turn 2 and hug that big blue wall for 3-4

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Keep asking him and you may eventually succeed.
thats the plan...hope i can get others on board and prove to him there is a market he can make money on ( i know dirty words in hollywierd )
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Only thing I don't like about the 1 piece aluminum calipers with integratedf stiffening bridge is the pad changes. I take one bolt out of my CTSV calipers and the pad change takes all of 2 minutes and no TTY bolts involved. Thats great for a multipurpose vehicle.
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Only thing I don't like about the 1 piece aluminum calipers with integratedf stiffening bridge is the pad changes. I take one bolt out of my CTSV calipers and the pad change takes all of 2 minutes and no TTY bolts involved. Thats great for a multipurpose vehicle.
the forged racingbrake calipers are 2 bolts and pad swap. i looked at them and said man i could do that at the track with my wheel on and he looked at me and said exactly
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Lol it's great to see this enthusiasm for RacingBrake's products and for Warren and the RB team. I've been an advocate for years; I was the one who got the first group-buy together to get them to make the 2-piece rotors front and rear for our 5th gen Camaros. I can easily believe they'd make a great caliper. I have their 500 pads front and rear and have nothing but praise for their performance.

Pete... I tried to get you to try their rotors years ago but you were convinced by "the big boys" that you had to have solid rotors. Now you're getting solid (no pun intended) info from somebody who can drive at the levels you do, that these rotors are the real deal.

Count me in for one of the 10 needed for the group-buy on the calipers.
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