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Old 05-16-2013, 07:38 PM   #443
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I think this taillight hating is herd mentality at its worst. Everybody hates the tailights because everybody else hates the tail lights.

Go Here and go to post #4. Scroll down to the picture of the back of the black 2014 next to the older red car (I wish I could just post that picture but I'm not that smart )

The old car looks big and bulky compared to the sleeker look of the 2014. Look how much higher the rear of the red car appears to be. It looks fat. Sleek butt vs fat butt... the new car looks way better.

There, I said it.


Sad part is those who like the '14s and plan on buying one, are probably just laying low and not posting to avoid the grief from those who don't like it...can't blame them for doing so...They're planning on buying a new car and some who don't like it will "argue" with them...who needs that?...lol

The forums may suffer the loss of new members for a while, but new car sales won't suffer at all...
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:56 PM   #444
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I don't care about greif and I have posted a few comments on how much I like the 2014. Love the Front - think it is mean and more agressive. I am kind of indifferent on the rear lights so it's a push. I don't care for the pixs of the license plate area but I haven't seen it in person so I will reserve judgement. Regardless though, there is one in my future. Just need to see how much this thing called "college" is going to cost me and my daughter.

I always take negative comments with a grain of salt. People who dislike somthing will tell 10 people on average while people who like something will tell anywhere from 0 to 3...
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:38 PM   #445
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I think this taillight hating is herd mentality at its worst. Everybody hates the tailights because everybody else hates the tail lights.

Go Here and go to post #4. Scroll down to the picture of the back of the black 2014 next to the older red car (I wish I could just post that picture but I'm not that smart )

The old car looks big and bulky compared to the sleeker look of the 2014. Look how much higher the rear of the red car appears to be. It looks fat. Sleek butt vs fat butt... the new car looks way better.

There, I said it.
I agree, the new looks way better. I don't get all the hate on the rear. Also not to buy one because of the rear is just ridiculous, but to each their own.
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I try to avoid "necroposting" (bringing threads from the dead), but this thread really warrants it since the first Z/28's are arriving in the hands of their new owners.

Hat's off to Scott Settlemire and team for the Z/28.

There has been an awful lot of criticism on the web and by the "experts" in the mags about the Z/28.

What I like most about the uproar? It's pissing off the Porsche, BMW, and Nissan Fans. This is the group that normally does not even acknowledge that American cars are alive and well. The fact the "lowly Camaro" can raise the hair on the backs of their necks is like sweet, sweet music.

But focusing on the Z/28 instead of the hateraid, I must say one thing.

Scott, would you get upset if I kissed you on the lips?

I had no plans for another Camaro. I've always loved Camaros, but the new ones just weren't blowing wind up my skirt. Too pedestrian. Too mainstream. Heck, I've got a Z06 and a CTS-V why the heck would I be Camaro shopping?

Then I heard dirty rumors about a new 427 Camaro. Huh? No way. You CAN'T get away with that today. Too much a vulgar display of American Muscle. Not politically correct.

The rumors turned to fact about a year ago, then I started a rabid quest to get behind the wheel of one. Are they REALLY going to sell a no-holds-barred stripper track monster with a license plate on it? If that is true, I'm getting one.

I don't care about the tail lights. I'm not a big fan of seeing tail lights anyhow. I do however like to show others my tail lights.

When I found it wasn't coming with AC, it was stripped, MANual only, hardtop only, I was in heaven. This is the car I want. The price? Well, I'm fortunate enough to be old enough to afford one, yet young enough to drive the hell out of it.

Not a street car you say, Scott? I'll be the judge of that. I've driven a lot of stuff on the street that only a sadomasochist would deem worthy. I like driving. I don't need to be entertained or massaged while behind the wheel. My entertainment is the road, my massage is the vibration of a V8. The CTS-V is OK, but it lacks something. It's too easy to drive.

My Z/28 "birthday" is coming up in a couple weeks (I hope). I just haven't decided on a name yet though. We have to name our wheels. Big Blue, Blue Meanie, Casper, Wendy, Spooky ... Hmmm...

I can't wait to break it in, prep it, dyno it, then race it. But I must and it's killing me!

Thanks again Scott. You rock!
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Sidenote: Our Z06 is 12 years old now, 28,000 miles, 6-8 sets of tires, 2 engines, 2 transmissions, 3 Getrags. It has a rollbar and 5-pt, and a bad attitude.

The A/C belt was removed at about 2000 miles (water on the track), and it has never had a CD in the stereo. Not even sure it works. I think the radio itself works? Bah.

It still takes at least an hour to wipe the grin off my face after taking it out on some empty roads and cracking the whip. I think this Z/28 might crack my face in two.
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The past week has certainly been eventful and it’s certainly caused a lot of conversation…..

But before I get to that – let me apologize. I hate lying to anyone. And I lied. I lied when I said to some “There isn’t a Z28” – which, now that I think about it, is a ‘half-lie’ if there is such a thing. You see, there ISN’T a “Z28” – rather, we unveiled a “Z/28” and there IS a difference – quite a big one….but more about that in a minute or two…… Anywhoo – I had to ‘lie’ about there being a Z/28 - -because to talk about it would have cost me my job. If I’d even put a ‘winkie’ after some of your posts, I would have been summarily fired.

We were so security conscious that we had an internal name for the new Z/28….

“Steve”

When we talked about “shooting steve” - -no one would have thought about us taking pictures of a Z/28, now would they?

(….although it may have made a few people in law enforcement sit up and take notice……)

One would think that working on the Camaro CORE team is nothing but nirvana.

To a point, it is – but let me assure you that there are many rough spots and there are long hours and missed family engagements, and weekends are usually non-existent. That goes with the territory. But as to the privilege of being “custodians of the brand”, it’s necessary that we give up a lot in order to ensure that the Camaro and all that surrounds the design, engineering and building of these legendary cars is as is it should be – and we must hit ‘all the targets’ deserved by such a hallowed brand.

Please note: NO ONE within ‘Team Camaro” takes their job or their responsibilities lightly.

Decisions are agonized over – because it’s THAT important to you as a valued Camaro Enthusiast. More importantly – and I think this is something overlooked by many of you: We are Camaro Enthusiasts, too. And we’ve been Camaro Enthusiasts for many, many years -- (in some cases long before many of you could even say ‘Camaro!’)

I use the word “agonized” because we know that no matter WHAT we do or choose, we will be wide open for someone to be critical. That’s just the nature of an automobile that creates such passion. That said, it’s sometimes very difficult to have horrible insults thrown at you – or worse, the insults directed at that “labor-of-love” you’ve worked so hard to make better.

Dateline: New York – Wednesday, March 27, 2014:

Approximately 50 Camaro Enthusiasts were invited to the unveil of the 2014 Camaro at the New York Autoshow. Frankly, there were hundreds more Camaro Enthusiasts there – because many members of the press and other people who work in and around autoshows happen to be Camaro enthusiasts in addition to their jobs.

I wish each of you could have felt the excitement as the SS/RS drove onto the stage – there were cheers and roars of approval and clapping.

I also caught some “looks of surprise” when the Red Rock Metallic SS/RS did not pull onto the turntable in the middle – but rather to the side……it was like “…….what????.......”

And then the excitement grew as the sound of an LS7 V-8 roared to life behind the stage – and then the LED screen exploded (figuratively – not literally) with the sights and sounds of Z/28s of the past – and then from behind the stage came the new 2014 Z/28 – to cries of joy.

I was so happy to be able to watch this thru other peoples’ eyes. That’s just the greatest feeling. I was delighted with the response to both Camaros………..

My Blackberry started to vibrate as dozens of emails landed – nearly all of them overwhelmingly positive. I suspect that was to be expected as a lot of the dyed in the wool enthusiasts happen to have my corporate email account.
(….that can be a double edged sword at times…..)

………..and then I went onto a couple of enthusiast sights that evening and was dismayed at some of the language being used by a few people – and even more upset to see some people bashing our engineers and designers - and even worse, the Disciples.

I continually remind myself that much of this behavior is driven by passion. I’m also not naive enough to believe that it’s all passion. It stuns me to see remarks turn into a ‘contest’ of sorts to see who can hurl the best ‘insult.’ I don’t know when this became proper behavior in our society – but in my book, it’s improper and some people should be ashamed. Frankly, I’m more inclined to take opinions from well thought out posts than one that utilizes bad language and insults.



Now – for my thoughts on the 2014 Camaro:

Everything we do on Camaro is to improve it – make it better – offer ‘more than expected’ and to keep it fresh. The Camaro was first offered to the public in early 2009 – just about 4 years ago this month. We know that styling is one of the top reasons for purchase in this segment. Thus, it’s crucial that we update the styling…if we don’t, the volume will simply deteriorate. Deteriorated Volume doesn’t bode well for any brand…it’s the way brands disappear into the history of the automobile industry…..

The bad news? No matter what you do in terms of styling or content, you’ll be criticized by some. That’s just the way it is.

Examples:

People complained about the tail-lamps in the Camaro Concept. Not everyone was a fan – but we made the commitment to ensure that the production car looked as close to the concept as possible. Nevertheless, I received some nasty-grams about them……

When it was discovered that the car would have a ‘B-Pillar’ – some questioned if we – the members of “Team Camaro” -- had all just escaped from an asylum.

When people saw the back-up light slits in the rear fascia, some questioned as to whether or not we could even spell the name “Camaro”…..

When they saw the original 2010 Camaro steering wheel, some were certain that we’d time-travelled back in time to cause the Lindberg Baby Kidnapping…….

The SS fascia versus the V-6 fascia? We evidently created the hurricanes that devastated various parts of the world…….

Color changes? Well – according to a few, we simply can’t walk and chew gum at the same time…….

……and yet the new Camaro became number one in the segment.

And people got used to seeing all the things that caused so much uproar. And we continued to ‘wow’ the enthusiast community at large………

….and THEN we changed the steering wheel.

Some claim this caused 50,000 people to become sterile for simply laying their eyes on such hideousness. (some of the very people who HATED the original steering wheel now claimed that it was the most magnificent steering wheel the world had ever known…and that in changing it, we should be hanged by sundown.....how they now forget or try to hide the past posts they made…..)

And then we changed the SS wheels for 2013….. There’s a vicious rumor that this caused peoples’ teeth to fall out…….

And then we discontinued Imperial Blue (….in order to offer Blue Ray Metallic….) Some claim this caused thousands of dear little kitties and puppies to suddenly throw themselves in front of cars, trucks, and high-speed trains………..

(…are you noticing a trend here?)

Fast forward to earlier this week.

The new SS/RS was shown to the public.

The SS hood has evidently caused millions of people to suddenly slap their Mamas……

The rear tail lamps? Spring Flowers will no longer bloom.

And yet I suspect that once 90 percent of the people see the new 2014 Camaro in person, they’ll realize that perhaps they overreacted.

And the sun WILL come up tomorrow……….

The Camaro MUST ALWAYS be recognizable as a Camaro.

It must have Camaro styling cues.

We refreshed the front fascia to make the car more intimidating. We made the car look wider. AND – we made the SS look different than the V6 model. (at your request, by the way….) Further, there’s more differentiation between an RS Camaro and a non-RS Camaro – both in the front AND rear. (again, by your request…)

The tail-lamps are a tribute to the 1969 Camaro. (go study the 1969 Camaro tail-lamps -- both RS and Non-RS and you’ll start to appreciate why we did what we did.)

Remember those ‘poor unfortunates’ who hated the slits in the rear fascia for the back-up lights? Well – we listened to you. Shame on us.

The back-up lights have been moved into the tail-lamp assemblies. For those of you who felt the rear was “too busy” or “too tall” – well – we fixed that…..

For those of you who told us we should have put LED tail-lamps in the car? Well – we did on the RS models….

Some hated the ‘mail-slot’ front fascia on the SS. (some even went so far as to fill the slots on their Camaros in with various types of filler……) Well – we listened to you as well. (off with our heads…) The air extractor on the SS? It’s functional. (you asked for it….) It also just happens to be the same width as the reverse Mohawk in the roof.

And for the record – the V6 does not have the extractor in the hood – once again differentiating the SS from the non-SS.

Somehow, I suspect that Spring Flowers WILL bloom – and that most people in the coming months will say either:
“I LOVE it”

Or---

“Well ….that wasn’t so bad after all…”

A few others will still hate something about the front or the back -- Just as there are still Camaro Enthusiasts – however few – that still don’t like the 5th gen, period – luckily they are far and few between as sales figures prove……

So – for those who were disappointed in the changes – I sincerely hope you’ll be able to see the new 2014 Camaro in person real soon – and that you’ll find that the changes are in keeping with what makes a Camaro a Camaro…………

Thank you for the information. The new Z/28 I'm sure is well worth the wait. And the ZL1 is my dream car.

In regards to the 14 styling I prefer it's look. My question to you is why no bump in power for the 14 SS? Is there any increase planned for the 15 model? With the new R/T Challenger now sporting an option for 485-hp, and the Mustang GT surely in the 450+ hp range isn't it time? Also when you do decide to bump the hp please keep the LS3-L99 or whichever new motor is released in equal hp for both the manual and automatic. Maybe then I'll come back to the Camaro
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Old 05-03-2014, 11:29 AM   #449
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The old car looks big and bulky compared to the sleeker look of the 2014. Look how much higher the rear of the red car appears to be. It looks fat. Sleek butt vs fat butt... the new car looks way better.

There, I said it.
+1 I agree.
The new car looks way better.
Edit to add: I wish they would have put the new hood vent on the V6 too. They look badass.

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Old 05-03-2014, 12:26 PM   #450
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First time I have seen this. I had a 13 1LT that I absolutely adored. I had only seen the '14's in photos and was not a fan. Until I saw a black '14 SS in person. The front end looked more sinister. The rear end looked more sleek. From the side it looked reminiscent of a 3ed Gen. From the rear I could see the heritage from the '69. Bottom line up front I wanted one. Good work, Sir.
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1. Now – on to the Z/28……..

I’ve said many times: “Wanna get a good fight going? Ask Camaro enthusiasts which is the ‘top’ Camaro – Z28 or SS………..”

-- and then put on a crash helmet and watch the fur fly……..

Everyone has their opinion and 90 percent have an opinion that THEY are correct in their beliefs and that those with a different opinion are completely wrong and perhaps motivated by the Devil himself……………….

The new Z/28 has blown some people away and we’re getting emails and letters and phone calls saying “THANK YOU! You FINALLY understand what a Z/28 really is after all these years of ruining the nameplate!.....”

It also has some people saying:

“You RUINED it! I can’t get *insert favorite option here* and so you are a bunch of…..*insert foul words here*….”

Or—

“ ……what do you MEAN it’s not a drag car???......”

Or---

“…..this car should come in at 40K!...” (even though we’ve not discussed price as of yet—and frankly, 40K is as attainable as me being elected as President of the United States……….)

(and for those who think the Z/28 should be 40K – take a 1LE and start counting the costs of all the awesomeness we’ve added to the Camaro in order to make it a true Z/28 – and then take into consideration the costs for engineering and validating – and then consider we have to ensure we don’t lose money on the program….)



Let’s take a walk down memory lane, shall we?

The ONLY reason for the original Z/28…

(note I once again used ‘Z/28’ and not ‘Z28)

….. was to go road racing. SCCA Trans Am racing had a rule that no competing car in the series could have an engine displacement larger than 305 cubic inches.

Our Camaro SS-396 was FAST…..but it wasn’t really a ‘track’ car. So the purpose of the Z/28 was to compete in Trans Am Racing – meaning it had to stick to the road like Velcro. Tidbit: None of the 602 1967 model year Camaros with option code Z28 had a nameplate that said Z/28 on them. It really wasn’t meant to be a main-stream entry.

As we moved into the 2nd gen years, the SCCA engine rule went by the wayside…….. And with increasingly stringent fuel and emissions standards, performance was on the wane……at a startling rate. Fast-rising insurance rates certainly didn’t help things…… And by the early 70s, there really wasn’t room for both a Camaro SS and a Z/28 as we knew them. By 1974, performance was so diminished that the Z/28 was dropped at the end of the model year because it had become to many of us a ‘caricature’ of what it once had been. The SS had been taken from the line up at the end of 1972…….

When the Z28 came back in 1977 (note the difference in the name…..there was no “/”….) it was definitely a road hugger – and it DID offer more performance than any other From then on – whether right or wrong, the Z28 was the ‘performance’ Camaro….until the IROC came along. The Z28 was then relegated to ‘2nd fiddle’ and that didn’t set well with Z/28 purists. But – on the other hand, the Camaro was the “International Race Of Champions” chosen brand – and one could go down to their Chevy Dealer and buy a new Camaro – an IROC Camaro – that sure looked a lot like the real race car.

…….And then Chevy pulled out of IROC racing -- and the Z28 was once again the ‘ultimate’ Camaro…that is, unless you ordered one with 1LE.

Fast forward once again to the advent of the 4th gen. We offered a Camaro Sport Coupe with a V6 engine – or a V-8 Camaro Z28 with an LT1 small-block with a ‘blistering’ 275 horsepower.
(to some of you young-uns – that was a LOT of horsepower in 1993….)

Yes – the Z28 was the ‘ultimate’ Camaro back then………and then Ed Hamburger at SLP Engineering came to us and said something along the lines of: “….Chevy -You’ve done a magnificent job with the Z28 – but I’ve got plans to take it to the next level…”

and we said “Sure!” …and the Camaro SS roared back to life. That also put the Z28 as ‘second-in-line’ and again, Camaro Z/28 purists were not happy! I very much remember getting several phone calls, letters, and emails that weren’t –shall we say – ‘charitable’ in their content…..

It all became moot when the Camaro went onto Hiatus in the late summer of 2002……..and I continued to say to you, our Camaro Enthuiasts – to “keep the faith…” - -that GM understood the importance of the Camaro nameplate. Yes, there were a few people within the corporation that proposed moving the name to the J-car platform.

(Blasephemy!)

(….they were last seen being shoved into a fleet of black suburbans – never to be seen again…….)

As John Heinricy said in a meeting that I attended: “The ugliest sight I can imagine would be tire smoke coming from the FRONT tires of a Camaro!..”)

As I’d said before, as Custodians of the Brand, it was crucial that we ensure that the 5th gen Camaro build upon it’s rich 35 year heritage. And yet, as I mentioned earlier in this article, we were questioned at every step of the way. And that’s not a bad thing, I suppose.

We felt so strongly about the heritage of Camaro and ensuring that the new Camaro would “check all the boxes” that were important to Camaro Enthusiasts - that we drafted the 15 members of the Camaro Enthusiast Advisory Board (better known as ‘The 12 Disciples of which there are 15’)

So—after all that: The 5th gen Camaro hit the streets and blew people away…..it’s still #1 in the segment – so I think the team did a pretty good job, don’t you agree?

At the same time, we’d been working on a Camaro that took performance way past our SS. It had been in the product plan for some time – but with the Housing Melt-down of the mid to late 2000s – and the resultant Bankruptcy of GM (and Chrysler and many vendors) the “HP” Camaro was put on ice. That the “HP” car was put back into the program was a miracle in and of itself. Interestingly, it was internally called the “HP” and kept top secret….. but the intended name was to be Z28. Talk about controversy. There were emails, letters, threats, banging-on-desks – and perhaps some thinly veiled threats made……and it was finally decided that the original Z/28 had a naturally aspirated V8 engine. The “HP” Camaro was to have a supercharged engine…….so perhaps the Z/28 moniker wasn’t really appropriate. Our President, Mr. Mark Reuss – himself a Camaro Enthusiast since the time he was able to recognize a Camaro – made the final call…..the “HP” would be christened “ZL1.” What you DON’T know is that he had another plan in mind for the Z/28.
(Note the “/”…..)

Volumes will be written about the 2014 Z/28 – but what’s important to understand is that while we made “Z28” enthusiasts happy over the years with 275hp – and then 285hp – and then an LS1 based Z28………we continually disappointed the “Z/28” purist.

The 2014 is dedicated to the “Z/28” purist. This is a track car that makes no excuses. That this car is a full three seconds faster on a track than the mighty ZL1 speaks volumes to its intent. Make no mistake – this isn’t a slap at the mightly ZL1. Far from it. If you want a car that blows other cars off a road course on Saturday and Sunday – and yet will get you to the office in comfort on Monday morning – the ZL1 is the car for you. If you want blistering track performance at a reasonable cost – the 1LE is prescribed. And – if you want to shame exotics on a road course – with an automobile that’s not meant for daily driving, then the Z/28 makes no apologies and may grab you by the collar – shake you silly -- and shout “LET’S GO MAKE HISTORY!”

So—that’s been a lot of words.

And that’s my take on why we’ve done what we’ve done.

Many already understood before I started typing away.

Some others now have a better understanding.

Yet others will say “Scott – go take a long walk on a short dock…..” Some of those are true Camaro enthusiasts and just are upset that what we’ve done isn’t in keeping with what they’d like or prefer.

And then there are the trolls………….who like nothing more than to start something……….

As I said at the very beginning…..we at Team Camaro are ‘The Custodians of the Brand” – and we take our jobs very seriously. Every decision is in many ways, agonizing. But – we have to make hard and fast decisions.

And yes – it hurts when we’re constantly ‘called on the carpet’ – and yet rarely if ever get an apology afterward. We have broad shoulders and our skin is tough…but it IS discouraging and a bit frustrating to be constantly insulted. And for an old codger like me (I’m quite certain I’m the oldest in the group…..) I tend to lose my temper more than I used to when people become ‘surly’…..

So – in the final analysis…………

……….we hope you’ll go check out the family of 2014 Camaros when they become available. We hope that the family Camaros will offer you a great spread of choices

Let me introduce the family……….

>323 horsepower LS and LT

>400 horsepower SS

>426 horsepower SS

>426 horsepower SS/1LE

>580 horsepower ZL1

And the new Camaro Z/28…….


…every one of them designed, engineered, and built to instill “Perma-Grin.”

What’s not to love?

Thanks for taking the time to read my ruminations and I hope you’ve got a better understanding of ‘why’………..

It’s the best time EVER to be a Camaro Enthusiast.


Note: The opinions shared in this email are the opinions of ME….and not necessarily those of the company for whom I work.....
"It’s the best time EVER to be a Camaro Enthusiast.", not just a Camaro enthusiast, but an North American car enthusiast. While the asking and operating price of the new Z/28 is a bit beyond my comfortable reach, I applaud the team at GM for bringing this car into the light of day. I truly can't wait to see what brilliant engineers can do with the next platform based on how far they've taken this one. I have always admired the Camaro's looks, but now I am in admiration of the performance, and yes, the performance value now offered by the Camaro. Impressive. Please allow this car enthusiast to thank you and your team directly for producing this car, and spurring the competition forward to the benefit of enthusiasts everywhere.
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"It’s the best time EVER to be a Camaro Enthusiast.", not just a Camaro enthusiast, but an North American car enthusiast. While the asking and operating price of the new Z/28 is a bit beyond my comfortable reach, I applaud the team at GM for bringing this car into the light of day. I truly can't wait to see what brilliant engineers can do with the next platform based on how far they've taken this one. I have always admired the Camaro's looks, but now I am in admiration of the performance, and yes, the performance value now offered by the Camaro. Impressive. Please allow this car enthusiast to thank you and your team directly for producing this car, and spurring the competition forward to the benefit of enthusiasts everywhere.
Totally agree and I completely agree with FBodFather's original post.

For an automobile enthusiast, we are living in a Golden Era. Also for American performance cars, we are seeing vehicles that eclipse those of the 60s and 70s Muscle Car Era. While they are not as many choices as there was then, the performance cars of today are exceptional, and GM has taken it up a couple notches.

The guys and gals at GM are giving us what we want. Yes the Z/28 is expensive, but it's hardware warrants that price. The LS7 and those brakes ARE expensive. This cannot be denied. Any business cannot make a case for a product if it will not make them money on each one sold. People need to accept this. Make a great product and sell it at profit!!! If one cannot accept this, go live somewhere else.

I just ordered a 14 1LE. A "poor man's" Z/28, but extremely capable in its own right.

Last fall, I was hot on getting a '13 1LE. They look great. But I wanted the Recaros, and I really liked the new hood. My choices on a '13 were very limited, really it came down to a used one only. When I saw a '14 1LE in person, I thought it looked good, was indifferent with the nose and tails. Now this is MY opinion, I am entitled to it, don't hate! I can't change YOUR opinion. It was a RS, and I actually prefer a non-RS tails and headlights. IMHO, I thought the 10-13s where getting long on tooth, a beautiful design, but time for a change. the '14s offer a more modern interpretation, looks meaner. Style and design is mostly subjective. Anytime I see a photo of a car for the first time, I always take it with a grain of salt UNTIL I see it in person. Judgement will be held for that moment because perspective changes when you see them in person. That being said, it is foolish/childish for some people to go a little nuts and get emotional after change. There are bigger things in life to get worked up over, not a car. I understand that passion may fuel a bit of that, but realistically, they have to admit that GM cannot please everyone. Sometimes on forums I just shake my head at some responses of people

Fact:
The current Z/28 is more true to its original basis than at any time in Camaro's history. Thank You Mark Ruess, Scott Settlemire , Al Oppenheiser, Ed Welburn, Mark Stielow, and everyone at GM who design, engineer and build this car.
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Old 05-05-2014, 06:04 PM   #454
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The real tail lights are still horrific! I love the Camaro but those things are ugly, so many of my friends who own the Camaro can't figure out why they even thought it was okay.
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Old 05-05-2014, 06:09 PM   #455
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I'll purchase another Camaro, but first I have to see what the brand new one is like and if it can beat the new Mustang that is coming out. Ford is doing big things with their vehicles, its hard to say that because i'm a Chevy guy, but gotta give credit where credit is due.
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