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Old 04-06-2013, 05:33 PM   #26
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Raise your hand if you have had your personal car on the same track the zl1 and z28 are tested on............trust me it's a awesome course with some neat twist's and high banked sections along the way.
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Old 04-08-2013, 01:08 AM   #27
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I dont care if it was 30 seconds faster. No way I am paying more for a stripped down ZL1 than what I paid for a fully loaded one.
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Would be more interesting to see a ZL1 on the same tires. If it is just as fast or faster on the semi-race tires then is the z28 really that impressive?
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But the difference here is that in GT500 vs ZL1, the Ford had the 80 hp advantage and the 300 lb weight advantage giving it a substantial edge in a straight line. But vs the Z/28, the 80 extra hp has to move 300 lbs more car, reducing the impact of its power advantage (rather than enhancing it).
Sure, the ZL1 will still pull harder, but its not going to be as substantial a difference as it is between the GT500 and the ZL1.

Yes, but you said it, a car (ford) 300 lbs lighter, and 80 more HP had it's hands full with the ZL1 ..... now the Z28 like the ford is about 300 lbs lighter, but is lacking that 80 hp advantage the ford has.....
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The Fords chassis stinks in comparison.

The ZL1 is "The" all around great Camaro...but I want the Z28.
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Old 04-22-2013, 04:32 PM   #32
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Who drives around in an unmodified ZL1 at the track anyway? None of this matters and if I see a Z28 on the road, please note, I will be listening to loud music with cold air blowing in my face when I pass you.
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....loud music and A/C certainly does have intrinsic value, you can't argue with that!
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Who drives around in an unmodified ZL1 at the track anyway? None of this matters and if I see a Z28 on the road, please note, I will be listening to loud music with cold air blowing in my face when I pass you.
Unless its too hot outside.

Besides, A/C is an option and it looks like a full stereo is too.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:42 PM   #36
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Basic stereo.....one speaker...
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Technically you can't call it a stereo if it only has one speaker.
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Technically you can't call it a stereo if it only has one speaker.
A basic Stereo would have 2 speakers.
Basic audio system?
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...one speaker...should go in the middle of the dashboard...

.......with an AC Delco AM radio....lol
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:13 AM   #40
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Who drives around in an unmodified ZL1 at the track anyway? None of this matters and if I see a Z28 on the road, please note, I will be listening to loud music with cold air blowing in my face when I pass you.
Exactly my thought, every time I see a Z/28 praise post. And the apples to oranges comment, they are the same F-ing car! camaros. Each tweaked differently. This is not a mustang to camaro or M3 to corvette comparison - 2014 camaro to 2014 camaro. Give them the same tires and have at it, let GM be the embarrassed ones. haha.

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I think that the Z28 will be faster than any stock Corvette, except of the ZR1 or Z06 (Carbon edition)
Even the base Z06 would spank the Z28. The Z06 corvette weight, aero and engine make it a near Perfect package. The Z28 is just an attempt at making a big slow thing faster.
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...one speaker...should go in the middle of the dashboard...

.......with an AC Delco AM radio....lol
First car I ever bought new had no radio. That was 1971. The next car was a 74 Camaro and it had an AM-FM Mono radio. I never got a car with a stereo until my 1984 Celebrity. It had a AM-FM Cassette stereo...
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Exactly my thought, every time I see a Z/28 praise post. And the apples to oranges comment, they are the same F-ing car! camaros. Each tweaked differently. This is not a mustang to camaro or M3 to corvette comparison - 2014 camaro to 2014 camaro. Give them the same tires and have at it, let GM be the embarrassed ones. haha.

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Even the base Z06 would spank the Z28. The Z06 corvette weight, aero and engine make it a near Perfect package. The Z28 is just an attempt at making a big slow thing faster.
It has been suggested that the Z06 may not beat the Z/28. Hard to believe, but amazing if true.
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Exactly my thought, every time I see a Z/28 praise post. And the apples to oranges comment, they are the same F-ing car! camaros. Each tweaked differently. This is not a mustang to camaro or M3 to corvette comparison - 2014 camaro to 2014 camaro. Give them the same tires and have at it, let GM be the embarrassed ones. haha.

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Even the base Z06 would spank the Z28. The Z06 corvette weight, aero and engine make it a near Perfect package. The Z28 is just an attempt at making a big slow thing faster.
Thanks for your upbeat and encouraging words.
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Even the base Z06 would spank the Z28. The Z06 corvette weight, aero and engine make it a near Perfect package.
Last time I checked the C6 Z06 has lift and the Z/28 is going to have more downforce than the ZL1, so I'm not sure I can agree with the aero being perfect on the Z06. Less drag, perhaps, but less downforce as well. So perhaps an advantage to Z/28 in the high speed corners.
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Exactly my thought, every time I see a Z/28 praise post. And the apples to oranges comment, they are the same F-ing car! camaros. Each tweaked differently. This is not a mustang to camaro or M3 to corvette comparison - 2014 camaro to 2014 camaro. Give them the same tires and have at it, let GM be the embarrassed ones. haha.
I don't see any reason why one design decision can be viewed as a 'cheat', while others are 'fair'. GM could have used any tires they wanted for the Z/28 -or the ZL1. They made their choice for what they felt was appropriate for the car. Just as they made similar choices for all the other areas of the car. Are you going to complain that they made the Z/28 300+ lbs lighter too? Because thats going to impact its track performance as well. So to be fair, we should probably add 300 lbs of ballast to the Z/28 and then see how well it does relative to the ZL1. Although ... the ZL1 would then have an 80 hp advantage. Alright then ... how about we limit the boost on the ZL1 to bring it down to 500 or so hp. It would only be fair, right? And then we can give the Z/28 the standard steel rotors from the ZL1. And maybe replace the MR shocks on the ZL1 with the more conventional ones in the Z/28? Mix and match the aero kits from the two of them as well.

I bet if you did all that, the two would end up in a practical dead heat because damn near everything would be the exact same. And nobody wants to see that. The Z/28 is different from the ZL1 ... thats the whole point of offering both of them. If you want a kickass track car, then the Z/28 is for you. If you are more of a Grand Touring kind of person, then look no further than the ZL1.
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I don't see any reason why one design decision can be viewed as a 'cheat', while others are 'fair'. GM could have used any tires they wanted for the Z/28 -or the ZL1. They made their choice for what they felt was appropriate for the car. Just as they made similar choices for all the other areas of the car. Are you going to complain that they made the Z/28 300+ lbs lighter too? Because thats going to impact its track performance as well. So to be fair, we should probably add 300 lbs of ballast to the Z/28 and then see how well it does relative to the ZL1. Although ... the ZL1 would then have an 80 hp advantage. Alright then ... how about we limit the boost on the ZL1 to bring it down to 500 or so hp. It would only be fair, right? And then we can give the Z/28 the standard steel rotors from the ZL1. And maybe replace the MR shocks on the ZL1 with the more conventional ones in the Z/28? Mix and match the aero kits from the two of them as well.

I bet if you did all that, the two would end up in a practical dead heat because damn near everything would be the exact same. And nobody wants to see that. The Z/28 is different from the ZL1 ... thats the whole point of offering both of them. If you want a kickass track car, then the Z/28 is for you. If you are more of a Grand Touring kind of person, then look no further than the ZL1.
Well, I just wish the same rules would apply when someone feels the Z/28 needs to pass some sort of "Corvette Test" as well....It is a Camaro, not a Corvette, yet it seems the Z/28 needs to satisfy the 'Vette crowd more than the Camaro enthusiasts...just sayin'...

If you don't like the Z/28, then buy a ZL1...

If you don't like the Z/28, then go buy a 'Vette...
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It has been suggested that the Z06 may not beat the Z/28. Hard to believe, but amazing if true.
If they ran the same tires I would very much doubt the Z06 would lose. The Z07 package was an absolute monster and came in 3-4 seconds behind the ZR1 at Nurburgring.

So improving the tires for a 1 lap attempt. That Z/28 better be flying
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Although it may break the momentum of the current discussion, I have this to say

I'm very happy GM is producing this 2014 version of the Z/28.

Because, It means I will never have to explain why I bought a ZL1 and haven't taken it to the track. I can simply say, If I wanted to buy a car for the track, I would have bought a Z/28. GM gets my
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