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Old 05-15-2013, 01:06 AM   #76
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Here's a thread of a guy who got pulled over because of Hill Start Assist.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=290169

That's all I need. GM get rid of thie cr@p!!!

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Old 05-15-2013, 02:44 AM   #77
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Much as I like the Camaro, it's not the only game in town. It IS a tough choice between the 2014 SS and 2014 5.0 with Track Pack. If there isn't some answer to this problem in the next month or so my tough decision will be made easy. To be clear, Camaro is my first choice if (and only if) this mess gets resolved.
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:13 AM   #78
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Much as I like the Camaro, it's not the only game in town. It IS a tough choice between the 2014 SS and 2014 5.0 with Track Pack. If there isn't some answer to this problem in the next month or so my tough decision will be made easy. To be clear, Camaro is my first choice if (and only if) this mess gets resolved.
Having not received our car yet, I am holding my final judgement on this feature until I drive the car, but I can say this. I would not buy a significantly slower car that cost a good deal more to avoid this feature, and that is what you are doing by choosing the Mustang (even Lagina Seca) over the Camaro 1LE!
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:07 AM   #79
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Much as I like the Camaro, it's not the only game in town. It IS a tough choice between the 2014 SS and 2014 5.0 with Track Pack. If there isn't some answer to this problem in the next month or so my tough decision will be made easy. To be clear, Camaro is my first choice if (and only if) this mess gets resolved.
That decision already seems clear: 2014 5.0. The 2014 SS looks like crap in my opinion. There's also the C7.
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:07 PM   #80
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Having not received our car yet, I am holding my final judgement on this feature until I drive the car, but I can say this. I would not buy a significantly slower car that cost a good deal more to avoid this feature, and that is what you are doing by choosing the Mustang (even Lagina Seca) over the Camaro 1LE!
I don't know where you get the idea that a 5.0 costs significantly more.

2013 5.0 Premium w/Track Pack MSRP $38,040 KBB Fair Purchase Price $35,583

2013 2SS w/1LE and RS (to match 5.0 Std. HIDs) MSRP $41,885 KBB Fair Purchase Price $40,155.

In my book, the 5.0 costs significantly LESS, almost $5000 less.

As far as performance, for acceleration they are almost identical, but the 5.0 Track Pack is about 3 seconds a lap slower that a 1LE at the Streets of Willow track, which is quite a bit (1:22.70 vs. 1:25.77 driven by professional race car driver Randy Pobst). So the 1LE is a better track car, and it has some other advantages, trans cooler, HUD, but you will pay for it.

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Old 05-15-2013, 07:08 PM   #81
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I don't know where you get the idea that a 5.0 costs significantly more.

2013 5.0 Premium w/Track Pack MSRP $38,040 KBB Fair Purchase Price $35,583

2013 2SS w/1LE and RS (to match 5.0 Std. HIDs) MSRP $41,885 KBB Fair Purchase Price $40,155.

In my book, the 5.0 costs significantly LESS, almost $5000 less.

As far as performance, for acceleration they are almost identical, but the 5.0 Track Pack is about 3 seconds a lap slower that a 1LE at the Streets of Willow track, which is quite a bit (1:22.70 vs. 1:25.77 driven by professional race car driver Randy Pobst). So the 1LE is a better track car, and it has some other advantages, trans cooler, HUD, but you will pay for it.

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I was referencing the Laguna Seca package which I was under the impression was about $40k. And the the 1LE still beats that car. That 3 seconds is pretty big too. To me there is a big difference between the two cars, for the same, or much less depending on which Mustang you choose.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:38 PM   #82
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2013 5.0 Premium w/Track Pack MSRP $38,040

2013 2SS w/1LE and RS (to match 5.0 Std. HIDs) MSRP $41,885
2014 GT Base with Track Pack is $34,190 MSRP including destination. Now that price and "fastness" have been settled, I will still go Camaro IF they straighten out this HSA mess. Someone mentioned that they have a fix for 2014 but they won't make an official announcement because it would be admiting that 2013's are defective. I'll keep waiting........for a little while longer.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:20 PM   #83
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I was referencing the Laguna Seca package which I was under the impression was about $40k. And the the 1LE still beats that car. That 3 seconds is pretty big too. To me there is a big difference between the two cars, for the same, or much less depending on which Mustang you choose.
The entire Boss 302 line, including Laguna Seca is no longer available. It was a limited production model.

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Old 05-16-2013, 12:32 AM   #84
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The entire Boss 302 line, including Laguna Seca is no longer available. It was a limited production model.

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Did not know that. Thanks!
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:22 AM   #85
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Put 87 miles on her last night and stalled her 4 times. This sucks!!!!!!!
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:30 AM   #86
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Is the HSA (Hill Stall Assist) problem happening mostly when you are getting under way gently or when your trying to move away quickly?

I can see how starting off from a stop quickly could more likely beat the brake hold delay time. If a driver is trying to get rolling quickly, say, to move into traffic, this would be the worst time to have the system cause the engine to stumble or stall, not that there is ever a good time.

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Old 05-17-2013, 05:33 PM   #87
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Had it activate on flat ground today pulling out of a gas station.

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Old 05-17-2013, 07:23 PM   #88
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Loving the 2014 SS non RS more and more. My mind is made up. I WILL order a 2014 if they fix this. I WILL NOT if they don't. At least get rid of the ridiculous two second timer. Who came up with this "idea"? Hope it doesn't take someone getting hurt (or worse) to get the suits to listen.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:16 PM   #89
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I have a question for some of the guys that are having problems with this. Are you guys coming up to the engagement point and then adding gas, or are you doing this simultaneously? I'm asking because some of the people that are not having an issue with HSA are adding gas while coming up to the clutch's bite point. It may just be a difference in driving style that's causing you to stall, but I'm not saying that one is better than the other. And as far as it engaging on flat ground, there's definitely something wrong there.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:30 PM   #90
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Just for my information, of the people who are having issues with HSA:

do most (or do you) have a lot of experience driving a manual (maybe stuck in their ways and not able to change their clutch timing and engagement habits)

Or, are most newer to manual (say under 5 years of driving manual cars) and just have a hard time with making it work?

Or is the HSA issue across the board happening to both experienced and less experienced drivers of manual gearboxes?
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:51 PM   #91
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Had it activate on flat ground today pulling out of a gas station.

F GM.
Flat ground? That's really bad.

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Old 05-18-2013, 11:53 PM   #92
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Is the HSA (Hill Stall Assist) problem happening mostly when you are getting under way gently or when your trying to move away quickly?

I can see how starting off from a stop quickly could more likely beat he brake hold delay time. If a driver is trying to get rolling quickly, say, to move into traffic, this would be the worst time to have the system cause the engine to stumble or stall, not that there is ever a good time.
You shouldn't have to "game" your car. You should just be able to drive it like you normally do.

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Old 05-19-2013, 05:44 AM   #93
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The other day I was rolling up a hill and just passed an intersection when I noticed that the next intersection was blocked. I just pushed in the clutch and let the car roll backwards until I could turn left on the intersection that I had passed. I never placed the car in reverse, just rolled backwards. As soon as i came to a complete stop, I put it in first and revved a bit because of the hill. HSA was the last thing on my mind... Well, when I released the clutch, no movement, just kind of a thud as I had hit the brake pretty hard. Remembering the numerous articles on here and noting a vehicle rapidly approaching behind me, I pulled up one click on the parking brake and HSA was gone and I proceeded on my way. My only reminder driving on was the ugly smell of smoked clutch that I hardly ever get since break-in.

I can live with HSA, but I wish GM could retro-actively tune it out upon consumer request. I would still buy my car today and someday when I trade her in for a new one, I'll get a Camaro HSA or not.

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Old 05-19-2013, 07:14 AM   #94
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I am subscribed to this thread in hopes of solutions or workaround.
Everyone gets that it sucks for many and works for a few.
Until we get a solution, can we list off the current workarounds from the previous 93 posts?
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:23 AM   #95
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If pulling up one click on the handbrake releases the HSA from holding the brakes, then fooling the handbrake switch into thinking the handbrake is on will keep the HSA system from activating in the first place. Is this right?

Of course, now the handbrake light will be on in the dash, aarrgghhh...! Nevermind.
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Old 05-19-2013, 06:21 PM   #96
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So does HSA disengage the instant the handbrake is applied?
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Old 05-19-2013, 06:50 PM   #98
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I went to the same store today and parked in the same spot that I had my HSA engage last time so I purposely noted what I did when I pulled straight up a hill out of the spot.

Clutch in, Start car
Put car in first gear
HSA engages and message appeared on the dash.
With clutch still in I let off the brake and moved foot to the gas.
At the same time I depressed the gas and started to let the clutch out.
HSA instantly disengaged and I pulled away normally......

This is the same experience I had last time in the same spot......I honestly don't see any issue with my HSA as it turned off as soon as I stepped on the gas and it felt like I was on level ground.

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:25 AM   #99
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So does HSA disengage the instant the handbrake is applied?
Yes, it disengaged immediately. I didn't notice if the DIC still displayed that HSA was engaged or not, but as soon as I clicked up on the E brake, it physically released and I was able to move away.

On a similar note, I like to middle finger salute my DIC when it wants me to skip shift to 4th; I usually throw in a raspberry for good effect, too. (Skip shift eliminator engaged!) I wish it was so easy for HSA, too...

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Old 05-20-2013, 09:49 AM   #100
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I went to the same store today and parked in the same spot that I had my HSA engage last time so I purposely noted what I did when I pulled straight up a hill out of the spot.

Clutch in, Start car
Put car in first gear
HSA engages and message appeared on the dash.
With clutch still in I let off the brake and moved foot to the gas.
At the same time I depressed the gas and started to let the clutch out.
HSA instantly disengaged and I pulled away normally......

This is the same experience I had last time in the same spot......I honestly don't see any issue with my HSA as it turned off as soon as I stepped on the gas and it felt like I was on level ground.

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That is great news. Since I STILL am waiting for our car, I ask is it easy to tell when it engages, or is the message on the DIC the only clue you have it has engaged? I mean this seems like a great feature that would make things easier and reduce clutch slippage if your method is followed. I know my wife, who is not a familiar with driving a manual transmission is thinking it will help her.
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