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Old 05-19-2013, 07:24 PM   #51
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The best you can hope for is 2 of 3.

Online wasn't an option back when I got mine (MBA '97). My school was respected (top30) but even back then was $30k a year. Thank God for Dean's Scholarships!
I figured, guess I'll just check the box, cheap and easy it is.
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:44 PM   #52
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Old 05-19-2013, 07:45 PM   #53
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I'm doing mine completely online so it'll probably take 3-4 years or so, working full-time doesn't exactly leave time for full course semesters.

Do you know of any MBA/MS Finance programs 100% online that are priced reasonably and respected? I've been looking into going into Financial Advising recently, granted this wont be for 6-20 years at least.
Most financial advising jobs I've seen are only looking for a bachelor's. You might want to check into that. I've turned down many of those positions because it's not what I want to do. I started getting offers after my bachelor's.

Advisors have way more to do with sales than finance.

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Old 05-19-2013, 07:57 PM   #54
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Most financial advising jobs I've seen are only looking for a bachelor's. You might want to check into that. I've turned down many of those positions because it's not what I want to do. I started getting offers after my bachelor's.

Advisors have way more to do with sales than finance.

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My Bachelor's is in a completely different field than business. But military wants that Master's in something box checked, so that's why I was looking into an MBA. Although lately I've been looking into financial advising towards people specifically younger people that have these options of starting to invest early, but delay it because they just don't know. I understand not being able to afford it, but to let money sit in non-interest making checking accounts or putting off retirement and sitting on cash because that's what so and so said bothers me. Then again I figure at this age low 20-s I can afford being high risk high reward (to an extent) and I might as well do what I can now until I have to forego reward for lesser risk.
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:09 PM   #55
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Yeah that makes sense. I wish I had any money to invest haha. As tuition rates are outpacing inflation threefold or more, more and more young people are starting their lives in a huge hole.

For example, I had $36k in student loans for my Master's (fortunately scholarships covered undergrad). This amounts to $310/mo for ten years under the standard recommended repayment plan. That means that just to stay in a lower middle class level in the next ten years, I need to average $35k take home, so at least $50k.

Luckily, my field starts quite a bit higher, but my point is that for people who have to borrow more and land lower income jobs, this is seriously problematic for the economy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, college is just buying a really expensive piece of paper. But as long as we have the government making student loans available at low interest rates for people who shouldn't get them, and employers insisting on at least a bachelor's degree to screw in a light bulb, this is the world we have to accept. It ****s everyone, but it makes the government and colleges a shit load of money. The current higher education system makes everyone but them worse-off.

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Yeah that makes sense. I wish I had any money to invest haha. As tuition rates are outpacing inflation threefold or more, more and more young people are starting their lives in a huge hole.

For example, I had $36k in student loans for my Master's (fortunately scholarships covered undergrad). This amounts to $310/mo for ten years under the standard recommended repayment plan. That means that just to stay in a lower middle class level in the next ten years, I need to average $35k take home, so at least $50k.

Luckily, my field starts quite a bit higher, but my point is that for people who have to borrow more and land lower income jobs, this is seriously problematic for the economy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, college is just buying a really expensive piece of paper. But as long as we have the government making student loans available at low interest rates for people who shouldn't get them, and employers insisting on at least a bachelor's degree to screw in a light bulb, this is the world we have to accept. It ****s everyone, but it makes the government and colleges a shit load of money. The current higher education system makes everyone but them worse-off.

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I agree with the societal issue and whole "you must have a bachelors to be successful". But I also have a serious issue with government backed student loans, I fully support them as I see them as an investment in it's people. But the fact in my case the interest rate was 6.5% plus they start charging interest the first check you cash, so 4 years of interest being charged is ridiculous. Luckily for today's students it's down to 3-4% which is more reasonable, but charging once it's cashed is insane. No wonder some many people default on them, they take one look and end up paying the minimum for 30 years or get income adjusted repayment plans.

Unfortunately the digging a whole is only getting worse, I have tons of friends who can't get jobs and therefore choose to go back to school, which in itself isn't a bad choice but not planning out paying back loans leads to a huge hole for them. But that's also on a person to person basis on what they think of debt-to-income ratios and how they see investments/retirement, etc...
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It's really a societal problem at the core. We enjoyed so many years of prosperity that we decided our shit doesn't stink.

We tell our kids they can do anything they want, we give trophies for participation, we use 'AP' courses to inflate GPAs, we curve grades so C students are now A students.... We celebrate mediocrity at every turn. As a result, everyone thinks they're too good for most jobs. Everyone wants to be CEO. In Asia, India, they celebrate the exceptional students and are realistic with the rest. As a result, they are staring us down in the rear view in education and are consistently the best students in our universities.

I'm all for encouraging children, but we have to stop telling everyone they can be an astronaut or whatever. It just holds back the gifted students because instructors always have to teach to the lowest student in the class. As such, you have the people who want to learn being bored to death and everyone graduates with a watered down education. I'm so disenchanted by the whole college experience. Maybe if I could have afforded a private school things would be different. But I just couldn't believe the people who were in the class and the questions they would ask. They should be raking leaves somewhere. Sorry if it's harsh, but I feel I just pissed away $30k for nothing.

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Anyway, this is getting too serious. Somebody tell a fart joke or something.

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Old 05-19-2013, 08:46 PM   #59
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Okay I just saw a few posts that are to long to read lol. Someone talk about detailing or something !
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Okay I just saw a few posts that are to long to read lol. Someone talk about detailing or something !
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Old 05-19-2013, 08:52 PM   #61
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:03 PM   #62
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Sonax Net Shield bro. I still need to clean out the interior, maybe tomorrow's project.

For some reason I can't justify Iron X, maybe cause I need to move and have a garage and a water hose to finally foam down a car, I'd wash my car so many more times between start to finish if I did. But is it really worth it? I don't live up north so no salt or iron deposits to my eye.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:05 PM   #63
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After reading the last couple posts and not understand!!! Just give me a big headache!!! I hope that's not part of detailing tips! Because I quit!!!
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Sonax Net Shield bro. I still need to clean out the interior, maybe tomorrow's project.

For some reason I can't justify Iron X, maybe cause I need to move and have a garage and a water hose to finally foam down a car, I'd wash my car so many more times between start to finish if I did. But is it really worth it? I don't live up north so no salt or iron deposits to my eye.
You'd be surprised. I recommend every car get at least one initial treatment of iron X. It's amazing how much it'll pick up just from being on the rail yards.

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Old 05-19-2013, 09:14 PM   #65
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I probably will whenever I commit to coating it. It's a never ending debate between OC2.0 and CQuartz, 22ple is kind of out the window, just too expensive and doesn't seem worth it.
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I do the iron x once a year.
I clean my careful art and I still get iron contamination.
It's an amazing product
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:16 PM   #67
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I've thought of applying OC2 but I enjoy waxing and sealing my car.
I do plan to OC2 my rims when I swap them out.
I will likely apply it to my bumper when I get it installed
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I probably will whenever I commit to coating it. It's a never ending debate between OC2.0 and CQuartz, 22ple is kind of out the window, just too expensive and doesn't seem worth it.
If i were ever to do a coating, it'd be Opti Coat without a question. It's cheap, lasts the longest, and provides the best protection. No brainer.

I just enjoy working my paint too much to give it up forever on a permanent product.

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Old 05-19-2013, 09:20 PM   #69
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I probably will whenever I commit to coating it. It's a never ending debate between OC2.0 and CQuartz, 22ple is kind of out the window, just too expensive and doesn't seem worth it.
And I don't think you should ever support Todd Cooperider and/or esoteric detail by buying 22ple.
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Do you guys know of any product that "ionizes?" a car to keep dust particles from settling on it? I've heard rumors that something like this exists. Like it puts a negative (or positive - I'm not sure which) electric charge on your car and prevents dust from settling. If not I must have dreamt it haha
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And I don't think you should ever support Todd Cooperider and/or esoteric detail by buying 22ple.
Explain?

And agreed, it's kind of sad we choose to skip permanent(ish) coatings just to wax and seal more

And OC does seem much easier to apply, but since none to effect dust much there isn't much benefit for me anymore. Water was the main reason to get it but living in the desert fixes that. I wish there was a legitimate anti-static dust repelling sealant.

How much IronX do you use? Do you use it and cover the car like a detail spray? I feel like the 500mL bottle wouldn't last very long then. But I do want to start the car fresh clean again, use an Eraser wipedown and just start from a clean slate.
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Do you guys know of any product that "ionizes?" a car to keep dust particles from settling on it? I've heard rumors that something like this exists. Like it puts a negative (or positive - I'm not sure which) electric charge on your car and prevents dust from settling. If not I must have dreamt it haha
Permanon is probably the most notable.... and it doesn't work. But if you want to try yourself, I have a 2/3 full bottle I'd be willing to sell for 50% off
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Explain?
Well Todd Cooperider is the guy behind 22ple.

The guy thinks it's ok to

1) lie: he said that his coating was the only one that ever caused microfiber to harden (which it isn't, just about all do that). Even when people told him that, he did not change any of that information, which of course will make people looking up 22ple ignorant and misinformed.

2) do something called a hybrid detail, which is 2 step the parts of the car seen by most and 1 step the lower parts. Oh, and charge for the whole 2 step correction.

Not the kind of person I'd like to support.
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Permanon is probably the most notable.... and it doesn't work. But if you want to try yourself, I have a 2/3 full bottle I'd be willing to sell for 50% off
Haha thats not the best sales pitch. But that would explain why I haven't really heard of anything that did this.
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Sounds like someone who would charge by the hour then delay in how long it takes to finish a car. Maybe I just don't have enough experience but I can't wrap my head around some of these 30-40 hour+ details. I can understand 20 if it's a full 2-step paint correction with interior.
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