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Old 05-20-2013, 10:01 AM   #101
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Yes, it disengaged immediately. I didn't notice if the DIC still displayed that HSA was engaged or not, but as soon as I clicked up on the E brake, it physically released and I was able to move away.

On a similar note, I like to middle finger salute my DIC when it wants me to skip shift to 4th; I usually throw in a raspberry for good effect, too. (Skip shift eliminator engaged!) I wish it was so easy for HSA, too...

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Still a bit in the dark having not ever experienced the HSA, nor the skip shift in these new Camaros, but I have to assume the skip shift functions much differently to the system found in the gen 4 WS-6 we just sold. I can remember very few times it ever came on, and that it was no big deal to overcome. When I felt it kick in, I simply went to fourth, and without taking my foot off the clutch, went to second or third (usually third) and took my foot off the clutch. In the case of the Pontiac, it would only engage with very mild take offs, and never engaged if you really got on it in first, so not a big deal. Interested to try it on the new car....hint hint GM.....send me our car!
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:13 AM   #102
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That is great news. Since I STILL am waiting for our car, I ask is it easy to tell when it engages, or is the message on the DIC the only clue you have it has engaged? I mean this seems like a great feature that would make things easier and reduce clutch slippage if your method is followed. I know my wife, who is not a familiar with driving a manual transmission is thinking it will help her.
It is pretty easy to tell as soon as you start to release the brake pedal as a manual car would typically roll/move, even for a second. When the HSA engages the car wont roll/move when you release the brake. I knew instantly it was on and then looked at the display noting it was activated.

For those that have driven a manual before it is odd to not have the car even roll a little when on an incline. If she is new to driving a stick this will be helpful for her.

Bottom line is if the clutch pedal is coming up the gas pedal should be going down...(and if clutch pedal is going down, gas pedal should be coming up) It should always be fluid motion at the same time....

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Old 05-20-2013, 10:16 AM   #103
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It is pretty easy to tell as soon as you start to release the brake pedal as a manual car would typically roll/move, even for a second. When the HSA engages the car wont roll/move when you release the brake. I knew instantly it was on and then looked at the display noting it was activated.

For those that have driven a manual before it is odd to not have the car even roll a little when on an incline. If she is new to driving a stick this will be helpful for her.

Bottom line is if the clutch pedal is coming up the gas pedal should be going down...(and if clutch pedal is going down, gas pedal should be coming up) It should always be fluid motion at the same time....

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I agree! So with that being said, it seems like this feature would make life easier, but yet all the hate for it! It is something I am really looking forward to trying.
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In all fairness, some reported it came on unexpectedly. One described waiting at an intersection, started to drive and had to make an abrupt stop. According to them, HSA engaged as they attempted to resume driving. Perhaps the hard stop upset the sensor that indicates the car is on a grade? A surprise like that would be unnerving if you are sitting in the middle of an intersection.
Next time out I will drive a little harsher and see if it behaves any differently. It may be a few days, so if anyone else cares to try this feel free to chime in.
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I've been putting the brake handle up one click and no prob.
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Old 05-20-2013, 04:38 PM   #106
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For those that have driven a manual before it is odd to not have the car even roll a little when on an incline. If she is new to driving a stick this will be helpful for her.

Bottom line is if the clutch pedal is coming up the gas pedal should be going down...(and if clutch pedal is going down, gas pedal should be coming up) It should always be fluid motion at the same time....

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I don't know about you, but most people who have driven a standard for a long time ( 30+ yrs for me!!) can start on a hill and never roll backwards , I know I can! only the steepest hills cause me to roll at all, so hill assist gets in the way for those of us experienced manual transmission folks. If your gonna buy a performance car like a 1LE than most people would probably already know how to drive a standard and "don't have no time for dat" useless nanny assist crap!!

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Old 05-20-2013, 04:40 PM   #107
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I don't know about you, but most people who have driven a standard for a long time ( 30+ yrs for me!!) can start on a hill and never roll backwards , I know I can! only the steepest hills cause me to roll at all, so hill assist gets in the way for those of us experienced manual transmission folks. If your gonna buy a performance car like a 1LE than most people would probably already know how to drive a standard and "don't have no time for dat" useless nanny assist crap!!

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I don't know about you, but most people who have driven a standard for a long time ( 30+ yrs for me!!) can start on a hill and never roll backwards , I know I can! only the steepest hills cause me to roll at all, so hill assist gets in the way for those of us experienced manual transmission folks. If your gonna buy a performance car like a 1LE than most people would probably already know how to drive a standard and "don't have no time for dat" useless nanny assist crap!!

just MHO!
Maybe I should have clarified. It's odd not to have complete control over the car if you are being lazy or just relaxed you can allow the car to roll a couple inches as you are adjusting the radio. Of course I can prevent it from rolling too with only 23 years of driving a manual. .

Either way it has done nothing funky weird or dangerous in my vehicle so it doesn't hinder anything I do.

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People hate change. I do not have my car yet, so I am speaking a bit out of school, but it seems HSA might cause us seasoned manual transmission drivers to adjust the way we have always driven to maximize this feature. If we do so, it seems like it may work just as well, or better. Just my two cents!
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:25 PM   #111
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I can't believe what you guys are willing to do just to avoid HSA. It would almost seem as the avoidance tactics are more of a pain in the ass to me.
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People hate change. I do not have my car yet, so I am speaking a bit out of school, but it seems HSA might cause us seasoned manual transmission drivers to adjust the way we have always driven to maximize this feature. If we do so, it seems like it may work just as well, or better. Just my two cents!
I don't hate change. In fact, I like change...for the better. I just hate things that are poorly engineered, don't work, and are not a help. In addition, if I want my cars to drive for me, I would get automatics. At the minimum, so called "helpers" should be user selectable.

I don't see the Corvette with this.

When I see stuff like this, and gauges you can't even see past the steering wheel or shifter, I have to wonder who is running the Camaro show over there. We're talking driving basics here.

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I don't hate change. In fact, I like change...for the better. I just hate things that are poorly engineered, don't work, and are not a help. In addition, if I want my cars to drive for me, I would get automatics. At the minimum, so called "helpers" should be user selectable.

I don't see the Corvette with this.

When I see stuff like this, and gauges you can't even see past the steering wheel or shifter, I have to wonder who is running the Camaro show over there. We're talking driving basics here.

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I will say I was disappointed about the 1SS cars not having the gauge pack until I sat in a car and could not see them, so I get your point. As far as the HSA goes, it seems to effect some folks more than others, so certain driving styles are going to almost never bring conflict. As dropspeed said, his throttle / clutch transition led to no problems with HSA. Others have either stalled the car or done a mini burnout. The same seems to go for the skip shift feature. As I mentioned above, unless it is drastically different than what was on the WS-6, I will hardly even notice it is there. My driving style very, very seldom ever caused it to engage on the old car, and I drove it for over 10 years.

I really look forward to trying these "helpers" and seeing if their benefits (HSA - reduced clutch wear when taking off on a steep hill, and increases fuel economy with skip shift) are outweighed by their annoyance.
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I will say I was disappointed about the 1SS cars not having the gauge pack until I sat in a car and could not see them, so I get your point. As far as the HSA goes, it seems to effect some folks more than others, so certain driving styles are going to almost never bring conflict. As dropspeed said, his throttle / clutch transition led to no problems with HSA. Others have either stalled the car or done a mini burnout. The same seems to go for the skip shift feature. As I mentioned above, unless it is drastically different than what was on the WS-6, I will hardly even notice it is there. My driving style very, very seldom ever caused it to engage on the old car, and I drove it for over 10 years.

I really look forward to trying these "helpers" and seeing if their benefits (HSA - reduced clutch wear when taking off on a steep hill, and increases fuel economy with skip shift) are outweighed by their annoyance.

Pretty sure he's talking about not being able to see half the speedo & tach as the auxilary cluster is easily visible.

And all these helpers are anything but actual helpers. Anyone that can drive a manual worth a damn doesn't need HSA. And lugging a car in 4th gear at 10mph is far from fuel conserving.
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Pretty sure he's talking about not being able to see half the speedo & tach as the auxilary cluster is easily visible.

And all these helpers are anything but actual helpers. Anyone that can drive a manual worth a damn doesn't need HSA. And lugging a car in 4th gear at 10mph is far from fuel conserving.
Well I can't see the aux cluster when I sit in a car with them, so that is why I thought that was what he meant. I am a bit taller than some, and sit relatively close to the wheel, so it may be more me. I have not noticed not being able to see the spedo / tach, but only have driven these new Camaros a small amount. The skip shift, as I was told with my WS-6, was part of how GM got the cars to have a better rating fuel economy wise, but I guess I never was shifting out of first gear at 10 mph or less. And I am pretty confident in my manual driving, as I am sure many others are also, but it takes more throttle when you are starting from a stop up a steep hill then it does on flat ground because the load on the vehicle is greater, and that increased RPM exposes the clutch to more slipping before it is fully engaged, so if you use this system, it should help reduce clutch wear. Just my thoughts. I agree that making it optional might have been the best solution, and I may hate it a ton once I get our car. I simply thought it was encouraging that someone (dropspeed) has found that it causes him no problems. To each his own!

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Pretty sure he's talking about not being able to see half the speedo & tach as the auxilary cluster is easily .
I can not see, nor did I like the placement of the aux gauges in the 2013 with the New MYlink radio as the HVAC controls now hang lower on the IP.

I do agree with the wheel blocking the view of the tach and speedo in my seating position. However, on the street I use the center display to display the speed/MPH and listen to the motor when winding her out. At the track the MPH is not important so I will use the center display for coolant temps. ( wish it had oil pressure or oil temps reading out on the center display as well)

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Funny thing is, It would not be a problem if it worked as it is described in the manual:
"The brakes will automatically release when the accelerator pedal is applied within the two-second window."

This does not work! It will remain engaged for the whole 2 seconds. I've rev'ed mine up almost to 4k RPM on a start and It will not disengage until the 2 seconds are up.

So, if we were able to turn it on or off with a switch OR if it worked like the manual described this would not show up so much in the forum...
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Funny thing is, It would not be a problem if it worked as it is described in the manual:
"The brakes will automatically release when the accelerator pedal is applied within the two-second window."

This does not work! It will remain engaged for the whole 2 seconds. I've rev'ed mine up almost to 4k RPM on a start and It will not disengage until the 2 seconds are up.

So, if we were able to turn it on or off with a switch OR if it worked like the manual described this would not show up so much in the forum...
Same here!! I can give it all the gas I want and the darn thing will not release until the full 2 seconds has transpired!

It seems the 2 second time parameter trumps the accelerator movement parameter.

Perhaps we all have a bunch of mediocre/faulty Throttle Position Sensors?

I could live with it IF it worked as described in the owner's manual.
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Same here!! I can give it all the gas I want and the darn thing will not release until the full 2 seconds has transpired!

It seems the 2 second time parameter trumps the accelerator movement parameter.

Perhaps we all have a bunch of mediocre/faulty Throttle Position Sensors?

I could live with it IF it worked as described in the owner's manual.
I thought Dropspeed said that it took simultaneous throttle and clutch movement to have the HSA shut off?
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I thought Dropspeed said that it took simultaneous throttle and clutch movement to have the HSA shut off?
That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

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That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

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Like I said, I have a feeling sequence 3 is why people are having issues with HSA.
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That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

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Make sure that when you test this, you apply significant brake-pressure when stopping on the hill. Otherwise the results may be skewed if you are merely overcoming the brake pressure, rather than HSA actually releasing.

My parking lot is on an incline too, and the 2 second timer seems to trump any variation of clutch and gas timing.
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Do all 2013's with a manual have this feature or is it only standard on 2LT / 2SS?
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I thought Dropspeed said that it took simultaneous throttle and clutch movement to have the HSA shut off?
Tried it in my inclined gravel driveway many times. I give it gas while moving the clutch and it will just sit there until the 2 second timer releases the brakes. Then off I go spewing gravel behind me.

I've driven manual shifts cars for many years and have never fought a car on an incline like I fight this one. I am now using the handbrake to turn on the brake light which releases the HSA so I can take off smoothly on an incline.

I can't believe that many of us who have driven manual cars for years are suddenly feeling like newbies....because we're doing it wrong? I don't think so.
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Make sure that when you test this, you apply significant brake-pressure when stopping on the hill. Otherwise the results may be skewed if you are merely overcoming the brake pressure, rather than HSA actually releasing.

My parking lot is on an incline too, and the 2 second timer seems to trump any variation of clutch and gas timing.
He should be able to tell because HSA is displayed in the DIC or somewhere on the dash, correct?
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