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Old 05-21-2013, 03:02 PM   #120
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I thought Dropspeed said that it took simultaneous throttle and clutch movement to have the HSA shut off?
That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

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Old 05-21-2013, 03:05 PM   #121
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That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

Matt
Like I said, I have a feeling sequence 3 is why people are having issues with HSA.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:16 PM   #122
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That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

Matt
Make sure that when you test this, you apply significant brake-pressure when stopping on the hill. Otherwise the results may be skewed if you are merely overcoming the brake pressure, rather than HSA actually releasing.

My parking lot is on an incline too, and the 2 second timer seems to trump any variation of clutch and gas timing.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:37 PM   #123
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Do all 2013's with a manual have this feature or is it only standard on 2LT / 2SS?
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Old 05-21-2013, 04:05 PM   #124
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I thought Dropspeed said that it took simultaneous throttle and clutch movement to have the HSA shut off?
Tried it in my inclined gravel driveway many times. I give it gas while moving the clutch and it will just sit there until the 2 second timer releases the brakes. Then off I go spewing gravel behind me.

I've driven manual shifts cars for many years and have never fought a car on an incline like I fight this one. I am now using the handbrake to turn on the brake light which releases the HSA so I can take off smoothly on an incline.

I can't believe that many of us who have driven manual cars for years are suddenly feeling like newbies....because we're doing it wrong? I don't think so.
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:33 PM   #125
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Make sure that when you test this, you apply significant brake-pressure when stopping on the hill. Otherwise the results may be skewed if you are merely overcoming the brake pressure, rather than HSA actually releasing.

My parking lot is on an incline too, and the 2 second timer seems to trump any variation of clutch and gas timing.
He should be able to tell because HSA is displayed in the DIC or somewhere on the dash, correct?
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Old 05-21-2013, 05:34 PM   #126
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That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

Matt
Thanks for doing this. I am still without a car, but feel like we may be finding the proper technique that will make this much less of a headache! I look forward to your test results.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:15 PM   #127
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Do all 2013's with a manual have this feature or is it only standard on 2LT / 2SS?
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:19 PM   #128
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Looks like all manual transmission cars.
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/chev...maro/2013.html

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Old 05-22-2013, 03:24 AM   #129
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I can not see, nor did I like the placement of the aux gauges in the 2013 with the New MYlink radio as the HVAC controls now hang lower on the IP.

I do agree with the wheel blocking the view of the tach and speedo in my seating position. However, on the street I use the center display to display the speed/MPH and listen to the motor when winding her out. At the track the MPH is not important so I will use the center display for coolant temps. ( wish it had oil pressure or oil temps reading out on the center display as well)

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I'm with you on this, Matt! Thankfully, they have the LCD with the speed, but, unfortunately, that's all it shows when selected. I don't think I have quite a good enough ear to hit 6500 every time.

They might as well start over and take all the gauges out, and just put a large LCD display with all readouts visible at one time, including oil pressure, temp, trans temp, coolant temp, speed, tach, even diff temp. They could make it user configurable, too. Some could even go on the MyLink screen.

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Old 05-22-2013, 10:06 AM   #130
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That is how it worked for me in my car

As an experiment I will go to the same store/inclined parking tonight and try a couple different things to see what happens...I will report my findings later tonight!

I will try 3 things once I see HSA is activated

1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.

Matt
Ok tried this last night...The "test location" It is a parking spot I can pull in while facing uphill and pull straight out up the incline as well. The incline is step enough that HSA turns on every time.

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1) Step on the gas and release the clutch at the same time
I tried this 3 times and did feel the car hold me in place but it seemed to release as soon as I wanted it too/expected it to in order to move forward. (could this be after the 2 seconds window??? maybe, but it was not odd)

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2) Step on the gas without releasing the clutch
Nothing happened, HSA stayed engaged until the 2 seconds was up and then car rolled back (because I didn't release the clutch)

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3) Start to release the clutch without stepping on the gas.
I released the clutch slow, car stalled without moving

Interesting note.....I tried my experiment before I went into the store. When I went to leave I

Put the clutch in.
Started the car
Put the car in first
Put my foot on the gas and at the same time released the hand brake and drove away without the HSA activating.

I really didn't think anything of it as that has been my procedure for years to pull out of any spot...Which may explain why I have rarely seen the HSA activate when parked on any incline.

I still have yet to see it activate on the road in a driving condition.....but 95% of my stop lights are on flat ground...only about 5% are on any incline.

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Old 05-22-2013, 11:23 AM   #131
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I went through all of these frustrations as well, sent nasty notes to GM, etc. Having said that it CAN be made to work if you understand:

1. The system engages based on the last brake pressure used. So if you come to a fast stop or mash the brake pedal for any reason it will maintain that pressure and you WILL stall.

2. The "remembered" brake pressure can be reset by putting the trans in neutral, releasing clutch, reengaging clutch while using just enough brake pressure to hold the car.

So, get in the habit of stop - neutral - reduce brake pressure - put back in gear.

Now I can live with it but it should be DRIVER optional.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:33 PM   #132
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I thought that maybe coming to a stop with the trans in neutral was allowing me to avoid the HSA a little more. I haven't noticed it activating many times on me because I've been trying to approach stops and lights in neutral more often.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:40 PM   #133
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I went through all of these frustrations as well, sent nasty notes to GM, etc. Having said that it CAN be made to work if you understand:

1. The system engages based on the last brake pressure used. So if you come to a fast stop or mash the brake pedal for any reason it will maintain that pressure and you WILL stall.

2. The "remembered" brake pressure can be reset by putting the trans in neutral, releasing clutch, reengaging clutch while using just enough brake pressure to hold the car.

So, get in the habit of stop - neutral - reduce brake pressure - put back in gear.

Now I can live with it but it should be DRIVER optional.
+1

I've got 6,500 miles on the car and that is the best solution that I've been able to come up with.

Also, if you're really fast with your motions, and the incline isn't very steep, sitting in neutral with the clutch out you can remove your foot from the brake, then put in the clutch, shift into first and go.

The best solution would be an option to just turn the damn thing off.
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Old 05-22-2013, 12:47 PM   #134
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+1

I've got 6,500 miles on the car and that is the best solution that I've been able to come up with.

Also, if you're really fast with your motions, and the incline isn't very steep, sitting in neutral with the clutch out you can remove your foot from the brake, then put in the clutch, shift into first and go.

The best solution would be an option to just turn the damn thing off.


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Old 05-22-2013, 09:53 PM   #135
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My driveway has an odd incline and this feature makes it screwy to get in the garage.
I just wish I could turn it off.
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:43 AM   #136
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drove mine 35 miles today, had it on an incline and it rolled back. HSA never kicked in. Skip Shift kicked in quite a few times tho
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