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Old 05-23-2013, 11:56 AM   #76
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If the truth were posted it would be a different story.

FY ivan,

I posted that the OP has refused to PM his name/address or any contact information so we could followup on this. He just choose to slam us, and the same with Blues.

We finally got his email from the forum and refunded his $.

This could of all been avoided if he had even sent us on PM for status and resolution and he did not. Read my relies.....I searched through nearly 1000 PM's and found none for his user name. We, and for that matter no one can read minds and magically find someones name and contact to even verify they are a rear customer (like the links blue posted put up by A;

A former employee that embezzeled over $142,000 from us.

A local website owner that failed to pay for heads/cam/FAST intake/billet throttle body/tune (over $6800 build) and decided to instead move the focus from his scam to slamming us.

Local competitors here that seem to not have the confidence to succeed on their own merits and have to attack others with fabricated stories and of course the blind followers that can be manipulated into doing whatever they are asked to do.

We found the OP's contact last night and have refunded him in full.
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:59 AM   #77
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Tracy, you need to update your website to reflect that these items are on backorder. Nothing chafes me worse than seeing an item is in stock only to have to wait for it like the OP is. It's a sleazy sales practice. There are several web vendors who I will no longer deal with because of this.
Will, I agree.

Have asked the webmaster do please do this....not sure why it isn't, I have no knowledge on how to....I am near 60 years old and haven't a clue how to change it.

I have in every thread on the cans here though posted the lead time and the reasons for this hoping that will do.
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:01 PM   #78
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It is a long time. A freaking long time that my engine has been probably getting oil blow-by inside the intake system. The thought of that crap burns my ass so much.

Only thing worse is the feeling of getting strung along by the emails telling me my order will be shipping soon.

I'm so far in to this ordeal which means I need to stick it out until my can comes in. The harm has already been done so canceling my order and waiting on a new one won't make much difference now.

I know RX products are top notch ( had RX on my other Camaro) and make no excuses for them, but would like to chime in on the above in regards to your engine concerns !


I have a Stage III build by Livernois Motorsports and at the time of the build by them, I asked about installing a CATCH CAN for the same issues you address above and they "Livernois" stated they do NOT use or recommend the use of CATCH CANs for thier type of builds!

Furthermore if needed , you would think GM would have put it in as they have everything else built for the track on the ZL1 ( diff / oil coolers )

I have a RX can collecting dust
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:22 PM   #79
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I know RX products are top notch and make no excuses for them, but would like to chime in on the above in regards to your engine concerns !


I have a Stage III build by Livernois Motorsports and at the time of the build by them, I asked about installing a CATCH CAN for the same issues you address above and they "Livernois" stated they do NOT use or recommend the use of CATCH CANs for thier type of builds!

Furthermore if needed , you would think GM would have put it in as they have everything else built for the track on the ZL1 ( diff / oil coolers )

I have a RX can collecting dust

So you fine with your intercooler clogged and the rotors n the SC thrown off balance by the deposits taking bearings out?

Below is an intercooler with only 15K miles on it with no catchcan:



And a ZL1 with the RX can installed at new....this is 16K miles:


If your fine with that, then by all means, do not add a can.

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I'm pretty sure the 1LE comes with a factory catch can. Not sure about the Z.

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I have a RX can collecting dust
Hey Do you want to sell your RX can to me? PM if you do. Thanks
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:36 PM   #82
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So you fine with your intercooler clogged and the rotors n the SC thrown off balance by the deposits taking bearings out?

Below is an intercooler with only 15K miles on it with no catchcan:




see, this is exactly the reason why I wanted the can so badly. I know my engine wouldn't blow up w/o the can, but I damn sure didn't want my insides to look like that crap.

I'm sure my intercooler and whatever else that's inside that area probably is well on its way to looking like that sh*t above. and to think all this could have been avoided had your company done THE RIGHT FREAKING THING by telling customers the item would be long out of stock on the damn website.

you and your company are a real first class act.
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:43 PM   #83
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Bumblebee. You refused to PM me for the past month your name or any contact info to track yours....we finally got your email from the site here, determined who you were, and have refunded your$.

All could have been avoided if you had just done as asked and let us at least know who you were.

Now please move on and get someone else's product.

We offered free install, free upper induction cleaning, and did all we could but by NOT taking a minute to at least PM us so we could track this it is clear you had no intent of anything but to slam us and that's been done.
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Old 05-23-2013, 12:53 PM   #84
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Bumblebee. You refused to PM me for the past month your name or any contact info to track yours....
whatever you say Tracy. you keep saying that I've been at fault by not making any attempts to PM with this issue. so, let me show you some time lines:

4/15 - ordered placed
4/19 - email from Karen telling me the item was on back order status 2 to 3 weeks.

- not sure what day exactly but I did send you a PM asking what's up with my order. no response. someone on the forum then said you were on a temp ban for something. (gee, no surprise there...)

5/3 - email from Karen telling me my order would be ready to ship by 5/10 - this is almost four freaking weeks after my order was placed.
5/14 - email from Irene telling me my order will be shipping in the next day or so.

and yet still nothing. I tried to call MULTIPLE TIMES to complain and to get any straight answers but no one ever answers your damn phones. (again, no surprise there.) that's when I decided to start this thread so people on this forum could see what kind of business you run.
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We heard the story. Multiple times. The whine fest is getting/ has gotten no where. Move on. I keep seeing this thread revived and dammit I'm ready to buy me a catch can now.
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Old 05-23-2013, 01:04 PM   #86
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and dammit I'm ready to buy me a catch can now.
well don't hold your breath because there's no telling when you'll get one from them. lol
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So you fine with your intercooler clogged and the rotors n the SC thrown off balance by the deposits taking bearings out?

Below is an intercooler with only 15K miles on it with no catchcan:



And a ZL1 with the RX can installed at new....this is 16K miles:


If your fine with that, then by all means, do not add a can.

Don't take my 1st response wrong; I'm a big fan of your products and bought the RX can from your company before I had the ZL1 delivered!

When it was at Livernois Motorsports for Stage III build they said clearly that they DO NOT recommend ANY catch can for their type builds !

I assume they based upon my requirements for both a DD and use on the drag strip!

I will email Andy @ Livernois for validation of my comments above
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Why not just buy the Elite ride it for awhile, if the RX is that important to have, get it when it's available, sell the Elite, and be done with it.

Having something now, is better then nothing..
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Don't take my 1st response wrong; I'm a big fan of your products and bought the RX can from your company before I had the ZL1 delivered!

When it was at Livernois Motorsports for Stage III build they said clearly that they DO NOT recommend ANY catch can for their type builds !

I assume they based upon my requirements for both a DD and use on the drag strip!

I will email Andy @ Livernois for validation of my comments above
Why does Livernois recommend no catch can? Just curious.

Tracy, a little constructive criticism from a customer rep manager: there's a time to respond publicly, and a time to just let the issue die out on its own. It seems that when you respond, the pot just gets stirred. I don't have a dog in this fight. This is just a suggestion from an observer.

To further that, the bit above to promote catch cans is in poor taste, in this thread at least. Do what you gotta do to peddle your stuff, but keep in mind that there's a time and a place. This thread provides neither.

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Agreed. I have nothing against the company or Tracy, and I'm not a fan of the OP, as he didn't facilitate Tracy's efforts to help him. Everyone can come to their own conclusions, but i would like to see this thread closed.

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Why does Livernois reccomend no catch can? Just curious.

Tracy, a little constructive criticism from a customer rep manager: there's a time to respond publicly, and a time to just let the issue die out on its own. It seems that when you respond, the pot just gets stirred. I don't have a dog in this fight. This is just a suggestion from an observer.

To further that, the bit above to promote catch cans is in poor taste, in this thread at least. Do what you gotta do to peddle your stuff, but keep in mind that there's a time and a place. This thread provides neither.

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Why does Livernois recommend no catch can? Just curious.

Tracy, a little constructive criticism from a customer rep manager: there's a time to respond publicly, and a time to just let the issue die out on its own. It seems that when you respond, the pot just gets stirred. I don't have a dog in this fight. This is just a suggestion from an observer.

To further that, the bit above to promote catch cans is in poor taste, in this thread at least. Do what you gotta do to peddle your stuff, but keep in mind that there's a time and a place. This thread provides neither.

Good luck to all of you.
I sent them close to $1000 in products in the past to try, they refused with the comment "oil is good for the supercharger". They were kind enough to return them uninstalled. I respect so much of their abilities in builds, tunes, they have state of the art CNC machines, and one of the cleanest, nicest, biggest shops around....but do not want to discuss the issues the oil ingestion causes. Not sure why, but they are not alone. If your never taught this aspect of crankcase evacuation it is easy to not realize the damage done so I'm not sure why they choose to ignore it, but that is their choice.

The facts are this:

1. Any oil ingestion in the intake air tract will cause detonation and less energy produced per explosive event (you only want air/fuel in the combustion chamber....pour a capful of oil in a saucer and try and light it on fire....it dosent burn well if at all unless under high heat and pressure) so combined with less power and the timing pulled due to detonation that is an immediate negative.

2. The oil residue that bakes on and accumulates on the rotors causes them to be off balance (they are so finely balanced to maintain stability at the rpms they sin even a minute off balance causes vibration and shortens bearing life). There are pictures in GM's TSB's on this as well as all over the internet forums. The bearings are sealed in their own oil bath so there is nothing getting lubricated by the intake charge oil contamination....it only causes harm.

3. The intercooler, as the picture above tells the story, becomes clogged with this baked on residue/varnish from the oil ingestion so 2 things occur. The flow is restricted obstructing the flow through the intercooler as designed when new, and the coating insulates the intercooler from effectively transferring heat as well as it does if it is the bare metal as it comes new. The 15k miles in the picture above I estimate it has already lost 15% plus of its ability to transfer heat and properly cool the intake air charge. A log of IAT'2s will show just how this effects the power produced.

4. The carbon deposits on the piston tops and combustion chambers has a negative effect on the burn pattern and quench area's also resulting in a degradation of power/economy over time.

Those 4 crystal clear points alone should convince even the most unaware why you don't ever want oil contaminating the intake air charge.

Only a two stroke engine is designed to burn oil, and that oil is formulated for a clean deposit free burn.



And yes, the thread has run its course. all parties have had their say.
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4. The carbon deposits on the piston tops and combustion chambers has a negative effect on the burn pattern and quench area's also resulting in a degradation of power/economy over time.
Plus, these deposits create hot spots on the piston tops that will cause detonation.

Why in the hell does every single top tier gas have additives in it to "reduce harmful engine deposits" you've all seen the commercials.

This catch can argument is getting silly. Tracy has shown you photographic proof as to why they are beneficial. All we get for counter arguments is "so and so told me I don't need one".

I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. But I'll sit down with any of these so called experts anytime and debate this issue, and shit all over any possible reasons they can come up with.

Your car will not explode without one. but for what it does, it is well worth the money.
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Elite them selves. Awesome can and company. Had me a new lfx mount bracket shipped to me in 2 days and that without me ordering the can from them. It's there product and they stand behind it. Great experience with them.
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Any recommendations or links where I can order the Elite can from?
Apex and Maryland Speed has them also.
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