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Old 05-21-2013, 03:53 PM   #267
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I was thinking about this as well.... Anybody know how much the rear seat weighs? Does it weigh enough that it could actually change the weight distribution.... Maybe that's why they are leaving it in
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Theyre leaving it in because its technically a street car. The camaro was a 4 seater so theyre keeping with tradition otherwise the Z/28 would be no bigger than a vette since theyd only use 2 seats instead of 4 right?
I think I read in a BMR build thread that it was 30-40 lbs total.

Didn't Reuss say in an interview that they would not make any Camaro a 2 seater since they already have the Vette?
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:42 PM   #268
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I think I read in a BMR build thread that it was 30-40 lbs total.

Didn't Reuss say in an interview that they would not make any Camaro a 2 seater since they already have the Vette?
Yeah, I heard that as well.
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:47 PM   #269
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The rear seat in the Z/28 is a light weight version. It has no real frame and no folding mechanism. I think it is suppose to save 9 pounds. From the Car and Driver story on the Z/28...
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:28 PM   #270
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I think it was said that the back seat frame was 29 lbs.
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:14 PM   #271
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Wouldn't the have to re-certify the engine?
SAE power ratings are voluntary and not mandatory, not all cars have a SAE rating on the new system (hence BMW power ratings disparity).
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:03 PM   #272
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Yeah I think you're pretty darned close with that assessment. If the adults here ignore the kiddies maybe we can continue the conversation without the adolescence.

I thought it was interesting to see the excitement and enthusiasm both Mark Reuss and Al O have demonstrated with this car. You can tell they're busting a gut trying to keep from letting the cat out of the bag on what this car can do, but they still can't resist dropping hints. It must be that good.

When Mark Stielow talks about over 200 changes, and they've only really spoken publicly of less than 20... you have to wonder what all he's actually done. This is going to be REAL good lol.

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...OK, I'm past getting used to new technology, break neck speed product advancements, real time digital communication, and how fast things come at us <being an older challenged guy>....but, I am getting close to experiencing an anxiety attack waiting for the final dislcosure on this thing that we have begged for quite some time.....enter that Z!!!
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:40 AM   #274
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Old 05-24-2013, 03:08 AM   #275
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...OK, I'm past getting used to new technology, break neck speed product advancements, real time digital communication, and how fast things come at us <being an older challenged guy>....but, I am getting close to experiencing an anxiety attack waiting for the final dislcosure on this thing that we have begged for quite some time.....enter that Z!!!
I'm ready to see some final numbers. No more speculation.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:27 AM   #276
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The weight difference between the Z/28 and the Z06 might be closer to 500 lbs, which is significant for sure but the Z06 only has 9.5" wide wheels in the front and 10" wide in the rear while the Z/28 has 11" wide all the way around. That's going to make a difference in the corners.
Both of my Z06's came from the factory with 18x10 front and 19x12 rears.
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:33 AM   #277
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Your comparison doesn't work because one of the Z/28 mods IS the better tires.

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but if you give it time, it might sink in.
That's just it....the Trofeo's on the Z28 are NOT a mod,they are standard equipment. Same as the GY's are on the ZL-1. GM isn't interested in the least in what their cars can do with other than OEM supplied rubber.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:38 PM   #278
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That's just it....the Trofeo's on the Z28 are NOT a mod,they are standard equipment. Same as the GY's are on the ZL-1. GM isn't interested in the least in what their cars can do with other than OEM supplied rubber.
I mean mod by part of the changes they made from a ZL1 or other Camaro.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:43 PM   #279
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But the difference here is that in GT500 vs ZL1, the Ford had the 80 hp advantage and the 300 lb weight advantage giving it a substantial edge in a straight line. But vs the Z/28, the 80 extra hp has to move 300 lbs more car, reducing the impact of its power advantage (rather than enhancing it).
Sure, the ZL1 will still pull harder, but its not going to be as substantial a difference as it is between the GT500 and the ZL1.
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Yes, but you said it, a car (ford) 300 lbs lighter, and 80 more HP had it's hands full with the ZL1 ..... now the Z28 like the ford is about 300 lbs lighter, but is lacking that 80 hp advantage the ford has.....
Are you all forgetting that the Z28 will be more like 160 lbs down on a GT 500...not 80 HP. Mustang 663 Z28 505 and they would weigh about the same @3700 - 3800 lbs.


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If they ran the same tires I would very much doubt the Z06 would lose. The Z07 package was an absolute monster and came in 3-4 seconds behind the ZR1 at Nurburgring.

So improving the tires for a 1 lap attempt. That Z/28 better be flying
Trofeo tires vs Cup tires on the Z06 would be about a wash. The Z28 might be a close match to the base C7 Vette, but not close to a cup tired Z06. The Z06 has a top speed just shy of 200 and I don't think the Z28 could match even a C6's top speed of 183...gear ratio and drag being the killers. I think the Z28 might beat the ZL1's Nurburgring lap times by a few seconds and it will probably be close to the non-cup tired Z06...we'll see.

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I prefer pounds per HP. We still don't know the Z/28's weight but it could be as low as 3,700. Also if we're talking RWHP the LS7 is as high as 480+ That's 7.7 lbs per RWHP. That's quite awesome.
Logic tells me that the same engine and lesser weight, lower CD, the Vette should be the winner. I agree, the Z28 should be around 3750 lb for weight. My 2012, 1SS Camaro weighed 3820 and the weight savings on the Z28 should reduce that weight by at least 50 lbs. I'm guessing 3750 on weight.

No matter what, the Z28 is going to be an awesome performer. I'm hoping the price isn't going to be sky high so more of us could afford one.
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Both of my Z06's came from the factory with 18x10 front and 19x12 rears.
I double-checked and according to car and driver's buyers guide for the 2013 Z06 the fronts are 18 x 9.5 and the rears are 19 x 12 so you are correct on the rear wheels.

http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/...ette-z06/specs

The better balance of 11" in the front and rear will give the Z/28 less understeer and a more balanced cornering stance. However the curb weight of the Z06 at 3175 lbs is something to contend with. It will definitely be faster in the straights.
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