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Old 04-19-2013, 07:45 PM   #476
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I wonder why they don't scrap'em and sell the scraps. Seems like there would be a decent chunk of change they could recoup. Must not be cost effective...
It's not. Also certain portions can't be recycled due to asbestos or other substances that are considered toxic these days. Other planes aren't retired so much as they're placed in a form of long term storage or used as a source of parts (such as the A-10).

Other planes have been smelted to prevent parts from existing like the F-14. Prevents Iran from having a parts source, and yes they did steal parts while the Tomcat was an active duty airframe..
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Been awhile. Have had tunnel vision lately. Can't believe got the medical back thought was done for good. Now back in Requal Training. 5 Sim Sessions to go then back in the real air. Great to see people still posting.
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Been awhile. Have had tunnel vision lately. Can't believe got the medical back thought was done for good. Now back in Requal Training. 5 Sim Sessions to go then back in the real air. Great to see people still posting.
We're just glad we didn't have to send the Civil Air Patrol out looking for ya!
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We have been getting excellent press trying to save the aviation program! No words on the results yet. Thank you for signing the petition and for all your support.

Here is a video that was done by richard simmons....prepare to laugh a little bit.

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Old 04-25-2013, 09:37 AM   #481
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LOL Thanks for waiting a bit.


What petition must have missed that one. Sorry why they trying to trash your program?
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:45 PM   #482
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:28 PM   #483
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:13 AM   #484
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Yesterday all the movie channels were playing old war movies in honor of Memorial Day. Some were really good classics like The Battle of Britain, others probably should have stayed in the can. One noteworthy example was "Sky Commando". I could overlook the terrible acting and the stock footage that switched back and forth between F-86s and P-80s. Or even the 8th Air Force base situated in a mountainous desert somewhere near London. But the part that finally got me rolling on the floor was when a voice announced over a loudspeaker that a plane was coming in with only two engines left...






...when the plane appeared over the airfield, it was a B-25!


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I wonder where they lost the other engines?

For that matter, where were they mounted in the first place?
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Thread revival.

Finally got through editing my pictures from the Hamilton Air Show (June 15). Hazy day in the afternoon but a good show. Some very rare birds.

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Old 07-09-2013, 03:27 PM   #487
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Wow love these old planes. I would like to tell y'all I was part of a crew that saved a very well known B-17 from Mud Island. It's the Memphis Belle. Now, it was a while ago, but I can tell you she was beauiftul and with such a rich history as a heavy bomber in WWII. I was able to help a crew of experienced FedEx Mechanics that were going to restore her at the Millington Airport. she had a hanger all to her self and spent a while there. I'll never forget being able to sit in the cockpit, and hold the guns she had on her. While at the Millington Airport she was part of an airshow. even though she was a shell people still came in wanting to see her. even had international people of the military come out to see her (german and french). Sadly the Airforce took her from us... Please enjoy these few pictures I have of her. The man in the picture is my dad
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Wow love these old planes. I would like to tell y'all I was part of a crew that saved a very well known B-17 from Mud Island. It's the Memphis Belle. Now, it was a while ago, but I can tell you she was beauiftul and with such a rich history as a heavy bomber in WWII. I was able to help a crew of experienced FedEx Mechanics that were going to restore her at the Millington Airport. she had a hanger all to her self and spent a while there. I'll never forget being able to sit in the cockpit, and hold the guns she had on her. While at the Millington Airport she was part of an airshow. even though she was a shell people still came in wanting to see her. even had international people of the military come out to see her (german and french). Sadly the Airforce took her from us... Please enjoy these few pictures I have of her. The man in the picture is my dad
Crazy timing..... I was just looking at her restoration pic's yesterday.



http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/photos/slideshow.asp?id={0A2C97E9-2955-40E9-AF0C-568F0BC993BA}
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Crazy timing..... I was just looking at her restoration pic's yesterday.



http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/photos/slideshow.asp?id={0A2C97E9-2955-40E9-AF0C-568F0BC993BA}
oh wow that is crazy timing thanks for the link! its crazy this plane completed it required 25 missions when it was highly unlikely it would. and I was able to see and help restore this plane a little bit before it left out from Memphis.
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I'm planning on going to the Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB on my way to Camaro5Fest, I am currently planning on being at the museum on Wednesday (could change to Tuesday) before the fest.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:23 PM   #491
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Fantastic pictures.....love the old planes, especially the old WW1 fighters.
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Sorry if this has been covered, I got to page ten and gave up!

I've seen numerous referrals to the P-38 Lightning, a.k.a. "the Forked Tailed Devil."

Anyone know what made it a superior air combat plane?

All aircraft with a single inline piston engine had one unique drawback, the reciprocating crankshaft/rod/piston assembly in the engine created a gyroscopic effect which caused the plane to not be able to turn as tight a turn in one direction. The P-38 had counter-rotating engine that cancelled this effect, it could turn just as tight a turn in both directions. This greatly benefited the plane in aerial dogfights!

As for the B-25 my dad was in the 10AF, 12th Bomb group, 81st Squadron and flew B-25's in WWII. According to him the design of the plane, with a vertical stabilizer directly behind each engine, made it the "sweetest flying bomber" in the air. Said that once trimmed out it would darn near fly itself (He'd done some training on B-24/B-17's). One of the other interesting things he'd mentioned was the B-25G was equipped a 75mm M4 cannon. He said when you'd fire that big 'ole thing the recoil made it feel like the plane "paused" in the air momentarily.



Also if you're ever in Tuscon, you need to take the bus tour of AMARG a.k.a. AMARC. The nearby Pima Air and Space Museum (also a "must see") has them available Mon-Fri.

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"AMARG is a controlled-access site, and is off-limits to anyone not employed there without the proper clearance. The only access for non-cleared individuals is via a bus tour which is conducted by the nearby Pima Air & Space Museum. Bus tours are Monday through Friday only."
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...I've seen numerous referrals to the P-38 Lightning, a.k.a. "the Forked Tailed Devil."

Anyone know what made it a superior air combat plane?

All aircraft with a single inline piston engine had one unique drawback, the reciprocating crankshaft/rod/piston assembly in the engine created a gyroscopic effect which caused the plane to not be able to turn as tight a turn in one direction. The P-38 had counter-rotating engine that cancelled this effect, it could turn just as tight a turn in both directions. This greatly benefited the plane in aerial dogfights!...
I just want to clarify your statement a little.

The engine rotating assy. in a single engine fighter has an effect on roll rate not the degree of turn capability. The plane will still turn as much in either direction, it just can't roll as fast in the one opposite to it's engine rotating assy.'s direction. When rolling in the same direction as the engine rotating assy., the planes roll rate increases. The pilot can use this to advantage. A large twin boom, twin engine fighter would not roll faster than a single engine fighter no matter which way the engines are rotating. Think of a figure skater pulling her arms in to spin faster. Centralize the mass and the resistance to spin along the axis is reduced.

In aircraft radial engines minimize this effect, while rotary engines, used in some early WWI fighters, maximized this effect.

The P-38 Lightning was a great plane but was not the best pure fighter by a long shot. It saw limited use in Europe where it would have gone up against excellent fighters such as the Me 109 and FW-190 with very well trained and experienced pilots. It was used extensively in the Pacific where it's long range and extra engine safety factor was a big benefit. Pilot's reported the P-38 to be an excellent gun platform and as the name implied, it was very fast. Superior tactics, excellent pilot training and the plane showing up where it was not expected (range) were huge factors in it being very successful in the Pacific.

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Did some checking and it seems they had counter rotating props.

As for the turning thing, here is what I based my statement on. From pilots who actually flew them in combat.

http://www.bushwings.com/Diary1.html

"A single engine airplane will normally attempt to escape with a left turn. Because of torque and P-factor, it can make a sharper turn to the left than to the right. In a P-38 if we were trying to escape an enemy single engine fighter, we would normally make a turn to the right, with counter rotating props we could turn equally well in both directions, but remember the enemy single engine fighter didn’t turn quite as well to the right as to the left. That is why we would turn right. "
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...As for the turning thing, here is what I based my statement on. From pilots who actually flew them in combat.

http://www.bushwings.com/Diary1.html

"A single engine airplane will normally attempt to escape with a left turn. Because of torque and P-factor, it can make a sharper turn to the left than to the right. In a P-38 if we were trying to escape an enemy single engine fighter, we would normally make a turn to the right, with counter rotating props we could turn equally well in both directions, but remember the enemy single engine fighter didnít turn quite as well to the right as to the left. That is why we would turn right. "
Fair enough. The roll rate has a big part in initiating a hard turn. I don't know about "sharper turn" but quicker is just as important, I would guess. Turning to a known enemy's weaker side would be part of the tactics and training I was talking about. Knowledge is power and choosing to turn to the right avoids the possibility that your enemy could turn inside you and get his sights on you.
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Wow, I just found this thread and boy am I glad I did! Love planes, especially WWII era (my favorite being the Supermarine Spitfire) Fantastic pictures as well...
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I'm not a plane nerd but I have a question for those that are....

I was thinking about this after the crash a couple of weeks ago. Why is it there are only lap belts in planes? It would seem a harness or at least a shoulder belt would make survival more likely.
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I don't know how many of you here had seen my posts about Auburn's aviation program getting shut down by the university but I'm happy to say that is no longer the case!

Auburn Aviation is here to stay and flourish!

Now....I just need hours to get to 250 so I can get my commercial license....anyone got any hookups
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I don't know how many of you here had seen my posts about Auburn's aviation program getting shut down by the university but I'm happy to say that is no longer the case!

Auburn Aviation is here to stay and flourish!

Now....I just need hours to get to 250 so I can get my commercial license....anyone got any hookups
I'm sure the pressure applied to the college by Richard Simmons made them cave lol. That's great news though.
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Glad to see this thread alive and kicking.

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Auburn Aviation is here to stay and flourish!
Congrats!
Man really really wish had a way here to get you that time. My first job flying Charter and Mail/Check runs in light Twins use to take along guys/gals in your position and let them fly the Part 91 flights back. Hope you can find someone to tag along with and get that time. Wish you the best and glad someone had enough sense to keep your program at Auburn.

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