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Old 05-29-2013, 12:06 AM   #1
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ABS kicking in too easily.

I'm having a problem with my ABS kicking in too easy. This will happen with a moderately hard stop from as little as 35 MPH. To verify it shouldn't be kicking in, I pulled the ABS fuses and the tires don't lock under the same conditions.

I never see an ABS light, but I do sometimes get a "Stabilitrak Active" message in the DIC when the ABS kicks in.

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Old 05-29-2013, 12:14 AM   #2
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I have had an issue with the right front doing the same thing when downshifting only. Not sure WTF.
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Old 05-29-2013, 07:27 AM   #3
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bad wheel speed sensor? maybe?
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:11 AM   #4
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Already changed mine and didn't do anything.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:30 AM   #5
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I got the TC/ST lights after replacing all the rear bushings because my toe was so far our that the wheel speed was different from side to side. The next day I got it alligned and problem solved. Might be worth a look
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I'm having a problem with my ABS kicking in too easy. This will happen with a moderately hard stop from as little as 35 MPH. To verify it shouldn't be kicking in, I pulled the ABS fuses and the tires don't lock under the same conditions.

I never see an ABS light, but I do sometimes get a "Stabilitrak Active" message in the DIC when the ABS kicks in.

Any ideas?
Hello 130R,

Sorry you appear to be having some issues with your ABS. If you would private message me you VIN and current mileage, I will pull up your vehicle to see if we have any information that may help you here.

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Old 05-29-2013, 09:47 AM   #7
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I'm having a problem with my ABS kicking in too easy. This will happen with a moderately hard stop from as little as 35 MPH. To verify it shouldn't be kicking in, I pulled the ABS fuses and the tires don't lock under the same conditions.

I never see an ABS light, but I do sometimes get a "Stabilitrak Active" message in the DIC when the ABS kicks in.

Any ideas?
Are your front and rear tires at least close to OE sizes? Are the tires reasonably well matched for grip (running skinnies and DR's is about the worst thing you can do for both braking performance and ABS intervention).

Beyond that, it's something that you need to have looked at professionally. Across the keyboard we can only make guesses.


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Old 05-29-2013, 09:51 AM   #8
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I have had an issue with the right front doing the same thing when downshifting only. Not sure WTF.
Are you saying that the RF gets into ABS when all you do is downshift without touching the brakes? If so, that suggests momentary locking or near locking of the left rear.

By any chance, are you also turning left when this happens?


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Nope norm only happens downshifting and braking. No downshift and just use the brakes it's fine.
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Nope norm only happens downshifting and braking. No downshift and just use the brakes it's fine.
thats a new one. is it torque management and traction control making the abs freak out?
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I'm still thinking that ST is getting involved somehow. Typically, stability control systems will activate a single brake to prevent what it sees as oversteer or really heavy understeer starting to happen. Braking the outside front (in a turn) to reduce oversteer is one possible action.


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I'm still thinking that ST is getting involved somehow. Typically, stability control systems will activate a single brake to prevent what it sees as oversteer or really heavy understeer starting to happen. Braking the outside front (in a turn) to reduce oversteer is one possible action.


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thats a new one. is it torque management and traction control making the abs freak out?
Not sure. I took it to two different dealers and both said operating as designed. I could understand if it was both fronts but only the right front?

Not trying to thread jack OP but maybe this gives you info on your problem.
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If ST thinks that the rear of the car is about to step out to the right (oversteer in a left turn), it'll probably apply the RF brake as a means of dragging the car back in line with the direction that it thinks you're headed in, while slowing you down. Applying any other brake tends to make things worse, either by making the rear even "looser" by throwing away RR lateral grip that you really need or by dragging the left front brake which would exaggerate the yaw rotation directly. Since I suspect that it's a left rear matter, I'd expect that braking that wheel would lock it up for sure, which you definitely wouldn't want happening.


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Are your front and rear tires at least close to OE sizes? Are the tires reasonably well matched for grip (running skinnies and DR's is about the worst thing you can do for both braking performance and ABS intervention).

Beyond that, it's something that you need to have looked at professionally. Across the keyboard we can only make guesses.


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Square setup, same diameters as stock.

It's almost like I'm getting too much front bias. I'm going to clean the wheel sensors just for the heck of it. If that doesn't work I guess I'll have to take it in...
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Have you installed new brake pads on just the front or just the rear? Front pads with significantly more aggressive bite than the rear pads can cause exactly this situation as well. So might rear brakes that are a lot less grippy, except that you'd be more apt to notice having to stand on the brake pedal a bit harder.


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Square setup, same diameters as stock.

It's almost like I'm getting too much front bias. I'm going to clean the wheel sensors just for the heck of it. If that doesn't work I guess I'll have to take it in...
There was a TSB about cleaning the front hubs. The dealer replaced the front hub on mine and nothing changed. I replaced the sensor and nothing changed. Let me know if you figure this out. I have just got use to it lol
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