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Old 05-27-2013, 12:31 AM   #26
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i will be taking my wires apart tonight and look at them...
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i will be taking my wires apart tonight and look at them...
did u take any pics robert?
Pics of the wires...??? No, waste of time,,,, When we saw what they were we threw them away and put my factory wires back on... There are tons of pics of the turbo debacle and over 100 witnesses as to how it happened... Lots of it is in my build thread... We did keep the little heat shield socks he uses to disguise the crappy wires... Best part of the whole wire set... They were cut and assemble wires... buy in bulk and cut to fit... then cover them to sell as high dollar wires... I bet I could build the entire set for 25% or less of what he charges for them...
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I just put Granatelli rotors on my 2011 SS RS with Hawk pads. The rear bracket is rubbing on the rotors and making noise while driving and get worse when braking. The front ones are fine. It looks like the rotors might be slightly bigger than stock and causing this. After reading this post I'm wondering what kind of BS I'm going to have to go trough to return these. I did get them through Summit so maybe I will be ok. What a pain in the ass though..
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Pics of the wires...??? No, waste of time,,,, When we saw what they were we threw them away and put my factory wires back on... There are tons of pics of the turbo debacle and over 100 witnesses as to how it happened... Lots of it is in my build thread... We did keep the little heat shield socks he uses to disguise the crappy wires... Best part of the whole wire set... They were cut and assemble wires... buy in bulk and cut to fit... then cover them to sell as high dollar wires... I bet I could build the entire set for 25% or less of what he charges for them...
You have the largest build thread in the history of build threads...
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Most of the witness comments are on page 33... Lots of funny reading in addition as well.

Page 33 if your page count is 25 posts per page...
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Most of the witness comments are on page 33... Lots of funny reading in addition as well.

Page 33 if your page count is 25 posts per page...
Ok I'll go check it out. I liked Doug's comments about poop
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Wow. He is a piece of shit if he actually said that to a custom.
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At the cost of being the next person banned for sticking up for Granatelli, here it goes. I am 56 and can finally afford the car I always wanted. While I did have a 1969 Z28 in a past life prior to marriage and kids. My 2010 is the first nice car I have had for "me". Meaning not a 4 door to chauffeur my family around.

I researched all my options and in fact did see that SSE 4 2SS started a link about adding Granatelli twin turbos. The fact that Granatelli, Paxton, Whipple, Vortech, Turbonetics and Magnusson are all basically local companies, I sorta had my pick.

I made a trip to Granatelli, Paxton, Vortech, Turbonetics and Magnusson all in the same day as they are only a few miles apart. Far and away Granatelli was the easy choice for me. They make you feel like you are one of their own. I will add that darn near every time I was at Granatelli Joey B and his famous blue bass ass Camaro was there getting more work. So, needless to say I have had several conversations with him. He has always been very complementary to J.R. Granatelli and this is the first time I have heard him say he was not happy and I can tell you his car did not break down every time they worked on it or he would not keep coming back. Its too bad he had to resort to a slam tactic rather then speak with GMS.

My Twin turbo kit and all the suspension came direct from Granatelli and I have been driving it likes it stolen for over a year. I even remember once when Joey B was there I was showing off and bounced my car off a curb and Granatelli in typical fashion bent over backwards to make sure I was OK and help me get my car repaired at no profit to himself. I have been there countless times and seen him do work for Joey B, GMG69, myself and several others for free. Like installing a billet grill in Joey B's car before he left for a car show at a moments notice. He installed my 1G suspension while i waited and let me watch the entire process.

I can't say much more than that but I can say Granatelli has ALWAYS been happy to take my call and happy to help. They offer pick up and delivery and I know they have been to Joey B's house several times at no charge to him.

There was a comment made about parts being made in China - more hearsay. I watch Granatelli and his staff make every suspension part that is on my car right there in house. There are videos out there that show that.

If this gets me banned then so be it but Joey B I think you know Joe would do anything for you if you asked nicely and explained your concerns. In your comment above you say you spun a cam bearing and that when Granatelli worked on your engine the bearings were good. If he installed your camshaft and it eat the bearings there must be a reason. I saw your car make 740rwhp on the dyno with the huge Vortech and Cog drive and then I saw you drive it away like it was stock. It was awesome.

Hope everything works out for you.

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I re-re-read this thread. Granatelli wires have had so many great things said about them and so many dyno tests from all over the country. They are American made and not cheap crap at indicated by SSE 4 2SS. Sir I know you have tons of pull around here and your voice is well respected. I read your thread and you probably don't recall speaking with me in the parking lot at the motel outside of AZ during CamaroFest. You told me then that you though Granatelli was a stand up guy because he gave you the turbos off his own engine and helped you change them in his trailer in 100-degree weather inside his trailer right there at the event. You told me you were especially impressed because didn't even buy the turbo kit from him. Now you are inferring otherwise. If you recall you talked me out of journal bearing turbos and said that was your mistake - having a big engine set up to race and not just going with ball bearing turbos right out of the box. That is why when I purchased mine I just opted upfront for the biggest baddest turbos Granatelli offered. Did you purchase your turbo kit from Granatelli? Or am I misspoken?

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At the cost of being the next person banned for sticking up for Granatelli, here it goes. I am 56 and can finally afford the car I always wanted. While I did have a 1969 Z28 in a past life prior to marriage and kids. My 2010 is the first nice car I have had for "me". Meaning not a 4 door to chauffeur my family around.

I researched all my options and in fact did see that SSE 4 2SS started a link about adding Granatelli twin turbos. The fact that Granatelli, Paxton, Whipple, Vortech, Turbonetics and Magnusson are all basically local companies, I sorta had my pick.

I made a trip to Granatelli, Paxton, Vortech, Turbonetics and Magnusson all in the same day as they are only a few miles apart. Far and away Granatelli was the easy choice for me. They make you feel like you are one of their own. I will add that darn near every time I was at Granatelli Joey B and his famous blue bass ass Camaro was there getting more work. So, needless to say I have had several conversations with him. He has always been very complementary to J.R. Granatelli and this is the first time I have heard him say he was not happy and I can tell you his car did not break down every time they worked on it or he would not keep coming back. Its too bad he had to resort to a slam tactic rather then speak with GMS.

My Twin turbo kit and all the suspension came direct from Granatelli and I have been driving it likes it stolen for over a year. I even remember once when Joey B was there I was showing off and bounced my car off a curb and Granatelli in typical fashion bent over backwards to make sure I was OK and help me get my car repaired at no profit to himself. I have been there countless times and seen him do work for Joey B, GMG69, myself and several others for free. Like installing a billet grill in Joey B's car before he left for a car show at a moments notice. He installed my 1G suspension while i waited and let me watch the entire process.

I can't say much more than that but I can say Granatelli has ALWAYS been happy to take my call and happy to help. They offer pick up and delivery and I know they have been to Joey B's house several times at no charge to him.

There was a comment made about parts being made in China - more hearsay. I watch Granatelli and his staff make every suspension part that is on my car right there in house. There are videos out there that show that.

If this gets me banned then so be it but Joey B I think you know Joe would do anything for you if you asked nicely and explained your concerns. In your comment above you say you spun a cam bearing and that when Granatelli worked on your engine the bearings were good. If he installed your camshaft and it eat the bearings there must be a reason. I saw your car make 740rwhp on the dyno with the huge Vortech and Cog drive and then I saw you drive it away like it was stock. It was awesome.

Hope everything works out for you.

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I re-re-read this thread. Granatelli wires have had so many great things said about them and so many dyno tests from all over the country. They are American made and not cheap crap at indicated by SSE 4 2SS. Sir I know you have tons of pull around here and your voice is well respected. I read your thread and you probably don't recall speaking with me in the parking lot at the motel outside of AZ during CamaroFest. You told me then that you though Granatelli was a stand up guy because he gave you the turbos off his own engine and helped you change them in his trailer in 100-degree weather inside his trailer right there at the event. You told me you were especially impressed because didn't even buy the turbo kit from him. Now you are inferring otherwise. If you recall you talked me out of journal bearing turbos and said that was your mistake - having a big engine set up to race and not just going with ball bearing turbos right out of the box. That is why when I purchased mine I just opted upfront for the biggest baddest turbos Granatelli offered. Did you purchase your turbo kit from Granatelli? Or am I misspoken?
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Posting like this will most assuredly not get you banned. I respect your opinion and you are certainly entitled to one.

We all have opinions based on our personal experiences and this is how we base our choices.

I'm glad it has all worked out for you. My experience hasn't been so pleasant. It might have something to do with the fact that I can't drive right down the road and walk into their shop...

I do know that the wires I received were junk.

I was left with no option but to buy two new turbos after having the originals on my car for one week. A good vendor would have apologized and offered up the turbos off the display motor, helped me install them, or do it himself, and I would have happily paid the difference for the upgrade.

I can promise you after the comment he made to my wife, about refusing to take a check, I didn't speak highly of him to anyone... and that occurred the first night I arrived....

I didn't outright trash talk him due to him basically holding hostage 3200 dollars worth of my turbo's that he charged me 3600 for. The only people I talked down about him to were close friends of mine... They were way more pissed at him than I was....

He sent MY turbos back to Precision for repair and upgrade and made damn sure they were mailed back to him, so he retained control of them, and then credited my acct for a sum of money of his choosing...

I already had a buyer for them.

He informed you correctly, my kit was bought directly from TTI, due to repeated calls to GMS that consistently got a cue card voice on the phone that couldn't answer questions for my builder, an engineer... So, I got ahold of George at TTI and got the two of them on the phone together... TTI set my builder up as a preferred vendor installer and my builder bought the kit. My builder will no longer work with anything associated with GMS...

I hear this pissed JR off.. I'm sorry but that's between them.... I guess JR was pissed that he didn't get his profit margin... That's between he and George, and should never affect the customer.... This should never even be known by the customer... Keep your dirty laundry at home....

JR was pleased to tell me at the Fest in Phoenix that he had sold 85 of these kits, witnessed statement by many, and that of all of them, I was the only one talking about the kit... WHY... and why screw the best word of mouth he had going.... That just doesn't make sense to me...

JR knew way ahead of time through discussion on the boards that I was going with a 427 CI motor, yet he never mentioned that the turbos with the kit were going to be too small... He seems to be full of facts and so analytical yet he never picked up on this... I certainly wasn't aware of it being a problem at the time...

I have to ask, if you had turbo installed for one week and they crapped the bed, would you want to have to go in an buy two new turbos or drag your car 1000 miles home... How it I had to pay 3600 dollars for two turbos that JR told me retailed for 1600... and he paid substantially less than that for them... I have a price sheet directly from Precision.

This is my opinion, and like you, I am entitled to it based on the way I was treated...
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Funny you mention that, when JR pulled and upgraded my engine, not once did he mention I was also going to have to upgrade to a NEW Super Charger another $4,700. that I had NO IDEA i had to spend to get my car to preform the way he promised. Guess thats his M.O. Like I said before scum bag !!
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Why did you need a new supercharger?
That might be a question for JR.... He may have seen someone like me, uneducated at that time... and saw dollar signs

I certainly didn't know much about turbos when I started this.... and was looking for guidance... JR had a great line of BS... but no follow up or stayin power... He was off to greener pastures to screw...
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That might be a question for JR.... He may have seen someone like me, uneducated at that time... and saw dollar signs

I certainly didn't know much about turbos when I started this.... and was looking for guidance... JR had a great line of BS... but no follow up or stayin power... He was off to greener pastures to screw...
I've never heard of a blower just going bad. Seems like a bunch of vendors have chosen poor practices lately. I'm thankful I'm Teds neighbor. His honesty is priceless.
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You still pay $600 for dyno tuning? After everything you've bought from him? Craziness. I hope you get this taken care of.
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You still pay $600 for dyno tuning? After everything you've bought from him? Craziness. I hope you get this taken care of.
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This was never an option for me...

Let me know about the trade in or if you want it back
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Just in case anyone felt like sharing their experience - here's a link to Granatelli's BBB page: http://www.bbb.org/santa-barbara/bus...d-ca-92000345/

Yeaaa - their rating is a little too high in my opinion.
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Ive got their Tow Links on my car.....any issues with those that anyone know of?!
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Sorry you guys (a few out of thousands of customers) are having a rough time with GMS. Like Chris and Guy I can say my experience has been more on the positive side. As stated, maybe it's because I am just right in the next town from GMS but the image you present of Joey is not the same one I have or a fair assessment of his products. Though there has been some design changes to some of the pieces I have from GMS they are all really sound. It's been my experience that the third party parts he installed for me have been the things to fail. Here is the link to the latest adventure for me.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296248

And keeping a cool head and explaining to people what is happening I was able to get it taken care of. Yes it did take a little time and effort on my part but that is part of the fun for me in owning the car. Everyone owned up to the failings in the parts on my car and provided at no cost to me. Including some items Joey found that were broken by the original installer of my E-Force that he replaced AT NO COST TO ME. That company was also a local shop but I am not about to go bashing them just because I had a bad experience with them. I am only one of thousands that visited them and I am sure does not set a trend. (But read through the thread and you will see where I think GM is gouging us. Still feel that way.) That being said, Joey B has said he owns a construction company. Reviewing the BBB I see that you have had a complaint in the past. Is that a trend? Don't think so. But there it is, plain as day you had a customer that was not satisfied. I would imagine you probably did everything you could to make them happy. But they still filed with the BBB.

Cool heads and calm discussions usually see things through to the end guys. Hope it all works out for you and hope to see some of you at the Super Chevy Show in Bakersfield next weekend. Going to be a hot one.
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Being a local, I did go to check out GMS too. They seemed cool to me. And what Sweasey said was true. They all bend over backwards to help you out. I had a low tire pressure warning lighht and their guys showed me how to reset my tire pressure monitor system and filled them all up to even. I did not purchase anything yet but it sure seems like my experience is closer to what Sweasey, gmg69 and Tom D said.

Without reading into this too much SSE 4 2SS you said you purchased your turbo kit from TTI. I don't know TTI but if you have a TTI kit and purchased a kit from them why does Granatelli owe you 2 free turbos. I guess I am missing the connection there.
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Being a local, I did go to check out GMS too. They seemed cool to me. And what Sweasey said was true. They all bend over backwards to help you out. I had a low tire pressure warning lighht and their guys showed me how to reset my tire pressure monitor system and filled them all up to even. I did not purchase anything yet but it sure seems like my experience is closer to what Sweasey, gmg69 and Tom D said.

Without reading into this too much SSE 4 2SS you said you purchased your turbo kit from TTI. I don't know TTI but if you have a TTI kit and purchased a kit from them why does Granatelli owe you 2 free turbos. I guess I am missing the connection there.
Go ask your buddy JR, he offer you a steak dinner to post this... No wait, probably more like a trip to McD's...

The kit is/was a collaboration between TTI and Granatelli...

It was sold as the TTI/Granatelli Twin Turbo Kit... George built the kit, and Granatelli marketed it. They were in bed together... Now if they has a falling out, that's none of my concern...

So yes, while it was actually purchased from TTI/ they were business partners at the time, and probably are to some degree since JR is still raping people for the kit.

As the op mentioned, google Granatelli and feel free to read the complaints.. on literally every forum out there related to high performance domestic cars. I have no idea if he sells to the import crowd....

Having learned what I have about Granatelli from other very high performance enthusiasts around San Antonio and Central Texas, some of the fastest FI cars out there anywhere, I reiterate, I wouldn't buy a life jacket from him if I was drowning...

This is a bed he made, and continues to rumple so he can lay in it...

oh, and I'm glad he was able to put air in your tires.. I just hope the caps are not green, then they take nitrogen, not air..

I also agree that JR has broken out the rolodex... JR, you're going to be buying lunch for a couple weeks at this rate... It's hysterical how you're coaching these folks in what to say...

And JR doesn't owe me two free turbos, he should have as a vendor replaced them under warranty... it's the TTI/Granatelli Kit... and he does owe me my two original turbo's that I paid for. He raped me on the sale of the two replacements, and then he set the price he would pay me for MYTurbos... He never asked me if I wanted them back, or if I would sell them to him... nope, he just credited my acct back less than I had an offer on the table for them...

Run along back to JR now for more fodder...
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Most of the guys coming to GMS' defence seem to have low post counts. You may not spend much time on forums, so you might read this thread.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294199

The same thing happens over and over again on forums JR has been banned from. He seems to go to any lengths to drum up business; as long as it doesn't involve making his disgruntled customers happy.

Ask yourself...is he making you his pawn?
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You got the wrong guy. I have no connection to them. I was merely stating my experience. The Joey B guy sounds crazy to me. He is all over the place. He admits he cancelled a check just to make a point. He goes on and on about a company (GMS or anyone else) not paying to fix a problem that was created by another part (vender). That seems weird to me. He said:

"Tom, funny how JR just told me last week that even if a new part he installed failed the best he could do was get a replacement part from the company and I would still have to pay for labor as that company would not reimburse him ! WTF really ??? "

It’s always been my experience that if a part fails in a racing incident it’s not covered. That is not a Granatelli thing it is an EVERYTHING. Most warranties read something to like “WE WILL REPLACE YOUR DEFECTIVE PART BUT NOT COVER LABOR." Even not in racing it happens. This happened to me with my first car. WRX with killer stereo. Optima battery was buried in the trunk under 3 amps. Well it failed after 2 months. The stereo shop warranted the battery but charged me the labor to move all the amps out of the way to get to the battery - it was like a 2 hour job. It cost me $100 to get my battery warrantied. I called optima to explain what happened and they said the battery was covered but not the labor. That seemed normal to me even though I was out the $100.

I am not here to fight with anyone – that is not my place and this is not my fight. I respect SSE 4 2SS as a moderator and all he has done for this forum. His words carry a ton of weight. Joey B you seem like you are mad at the world – I mean no disrespect but in your own words Granatelli is trying to help you and you said they are super friendly.

SSE 4 2SS I am not here to debate sorry if I came off the wrong way. I can only speak to my own experience. I truthfully did not understand that TTI is the same as GMS. If that is true then I guess there is something there to what you are saying. Its just confusing because they have different websites and are in different states. In your words - it TTi made teh kit for GMS but you bought a TTI kit. Even if they are teh same kit it seems to me TTi owes you or the person that sold you the kit.??? But again perhaps I am reading this wrong
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Well I was tempted to buy some Granatelli brake rotors but after reading this and speaking with Jim from Ohio Speed, I'm gonna go the way of R1 Concepts premium brake rotors.
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Most of the guys coming to GMS' defence seem to have low post counts. You may not spend much time on forums, so you might read this thread.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294199

The same thing happens over and over again on forums JR has been banned from. He seems to go to any lengths to drum up business; as long as it doesn't involve making his disgruntled customers happy.

Ask yourself...is he making you his pawn?
Well I may be new but that does not make me a bad guy. I saw that thread and it looks like this guy evil came here and posted a few things about his turbo kit and got banned for saying nice things about GMS. Perhaps tht is why Sweasy said above that he might get banned for saying something nice about Granatelli
I am done saying anything nice about those guys - I dont even have their stuff on my car.
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