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Old 05-29-2013, 01:50 PM   #51
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Well I may be new but that does not make me a bad guy. I saw that thread and it looks like this guy evil came here and posted a few things about his turbo kit and got banned for saying nice things about GMS. Perhaps tht is why Sweasy said above that he might get banned for saying something nice about Granatelli
I am done saying anything nice about those guys - I dont even have their stuff on my car.
I appologize if it came across as me insinuating you were a bad guy. I was just trying to let you guys know he may be using you as a pawn. It isn't that this guy (evilcamaro) was banned for saying nice things about GMS. I don't know why he was banned. I do know that he's posted the same stuff on a lot of forums and when pressed he ends up showing that he is either JR or a lacky. Do a Google search for evilcamaro and forums. I suspect he is actually JR, but I don't have proof. What I do know is if you look at his posts across all the forums a pattern emerges.

1) He seems to hit the ones where JR has been banned
2) He can't keep his story straight and gets pretty flustered when pressed on the discrepancies.

Again, I wasn't targeting you or any of the other posters. Just wanted you to see that so you don't unwittingly become a pawn in the games JR plays.
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:16 PM   #52
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[QUOTE=JoeyB;6603265]Do you comprehend what you read ??? Dosen't sound like it.
Reread my post again and come back with a better argument.
And Genius, I am very mad.
And if my RACING parts broke while RACING I understand the risk I am taking. But if you read and comprehend what I wrote I HAVEN'T been racing. My car can't even drive down the road without some issue due to Granatelli's faulty work. Even after them putting in a racing transmission I had to bring it back cause their crack mechanic's didn't tighten the bolts (per JR, he went under the car himself due to me bitching something was wrong).
And yea me paying twice for some work on my car is foriegn to me !
Why don't you hire me to install a new water heater in your home and when the heater itself fails within a week or two, we'll see if you are happy to pay me again to install another one that broke at no fault of your own.
Sorry as a business owner sometimes you have to eat a little money to keep your customer happy and a life long client. Not to mention the good word they spread around about your company.
It's pretty clear JR isn't that smart.
BUT I guess it's very rare to find honest and business savy guys like me.
That's why 16+ years in business with ZERO advertising, all work is by word of mouth.


I just said you seem mad about everything - no need to insult everyone that does not see it your way. I hope you find peace within and let us know how and who repairs your car. As a local I am always looking for a great shop and I am sure you will agree there aren't very many around here.

Following your water heater example I understand your point. Installing a water heater is a far cry from racing a car and having something break.
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I appologize if it came across as me insinuating you were a bad guy. I was just trying to let you guys know he may be using you as a pawn. It isn't that this guy (evilcamaro) was banned for saying nice things about GMS. I don't know why he was banned. I do know that he's posted the same stuff on a lot of forums and when pressed he ends up showing that he is either JR or a lacky. Do a Google search for evilcamaro and forums. I suspect he is actually JR, but I don't have proof. What I do know is if you look at his posts across all the forums a pattern emerges.

1) He seems to hit the ones where JR has been banned
2) He can't keep his story straight and gets pretty flustered when pressed on the discrepancies.

Again, I wasn't targeting you or any of the other posters. Just wanted you to see that so you don't unwittingly become a pawn in the games JR plays.
I agree he seems like a kid that is spending his parents money but that just makes him a kid - They bash him for spelling errors and go off on stuff that would fluster anyone. Seems like he wanted a fast car and got what he wanted. Not everyone is a top notch mechanic. I know enough about cars to get in trouble but not enough to get out of it. Again i don't care about evil-whoever or Granatelli for that matter. I was merely sticking up for the guy based on my experience and instead I got blasted for calling it like I saw it.
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Old 05-29-2013, 03:23 PM   #54
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what are your guys thought on this burnout pic with regards to the waterbox ?
Is that oil on the ground?
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Old 05-29-2013, 03:28 PM   #55
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LMAO, JR is going thru his rolodex isn't he. You guys are so transparent it's funny. If you notice everyone on here are talking about their OWN experiences with Granatelli but you and Chris also are talking about ME & MY experience with JR in which you know nothing about !
Tom, funny how JR just told me last week that even if a new part he installed failed the best he could do was get a replacement part from the company and I would still have to pay for labor as that company would not reimburse him ! WTF really ???
I have had so many conversations with JR via email and phone in which I was basically schooling him on how to run a sucessful business and give proper customer service and EVERYTIME he would say "I know you're right". One time I even canceled a $7,500. check to him to make a point because I was sick and tired of getting my car back and it having issues. So once it was 100% fixed then I paid him.
And Tom lets try and use some common sense here. I've been in business over 16 years and have dealt with thousands of customers and have only ONE, (count Tom) ONE complaint from a crazy woman that wanted extra work done that was not in the proposal. Now Goggle Granatelli and you will see TONS of complaints on different car forums (chevy, mustang, etc...) Some have even started their own blogs about him being a rip off artist.
Also look at my first post B.A.R. has had numerous complaints about him and mine will be just another of many more to come I'm sure.
Here is the big difference between JR and myself. I came to CA from Jersey not knowing anyone and started a successful business on my own in SB. JR is riding his families coat tails. So tell JR to keep calling his buddies as I am waiting for more of their BS post.

JoeyB, Don't insinuate that you know me or what my relations are with anyone. I came upon this thread just as most have here. You seem very angry and may be justly so. But your approach to calling people names and insulting them is way beyond overboard. If you have that big a problem with GMS than take it to court and then let us know what happened. But your name calling and insults only make you look just like slowfofo see's it. Disgruntled and not making sense. Like that "Crazy Old Lady". If anyone needs to reread there post it is you. Respect other peoples view points. Just because ours was different doesn't make you right and us wrong. Once again I hope you get it resolved but making accusations and doing what you have done in this thread doesn't help your case in my observations. I'm out of here.
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Old 05-29-2013, 03:32 PM   #56
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LOL, no just water I assume.

In your opinion (from the picture) is it a proper roll thru and burnout ?

I'm asking cause it's regarding a Posi issue.
Can't see to the left of the box so I don't know if you have room, but I like to drive around and back into the water.

As for the posi issue, yes it looks like one tire is spinning more than the other. The posi doesn't seem to last long on the high HP builds. Nitroman had to replace his and he's only at about 600 RWHP. I've got the Jannity kit in mine and I haven't had an issue, yet. I have a feeling it won't last much longer though.
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Old 05-29-2013, 04:02 PM   #57
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I've done some editing... Everyone needs to leave the name calling out... Post your experiences, but stop the name calling.
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How the hell do people like these still exist ? Very upsetting. Put them on blast every chance you get !!!!
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I guess my opinions aren't off base even TOM D has had issues with his buddy JR
"Don't get me wrong, I have had some issues with some folks who have done work on my car, one with Joey where I sat in his office and asked him if he was learning how to be a mechanic on my dime. Another one was with A&A Corvette who installed my supercharger. Work had to be all re -done. Couldn't wait to get my car out of there. But like I said, I am not into bashing here. Something some of us have talked about is you can't trust a lot of speed shops. It's better to do the work your self almost and learn on the way. Which I have done as well."
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Dude you are a real piece of work. Why not paste the whole thing up where you are calling names and making threats. I have not kept that a secret about my talk with Joey. But it doesn't take away from the fact he did some great work on my car. You only got a snippet of that discussion and twisted it around. A real piece of work that's for sure.
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Well I was tempted to buy some Granatelli brake rotors but after reading this and speaking with Jim from Ohio Speed, I'm gonna go the way of R1 Concepts premium brake rotors.
I called GMS this morning and asked for an opinion on all this stuff. J.R. was not in and his guys had no real knowledge of the thread. Spoke to Jasper and asked about where the wires and suspension were made. He said its all made here at the shop. I asked about the rotors not fitting because someone said they seemed oversized. He claimed they were Brembo blanks that they have slotted and drilled. To say shipping I am going there after work and picking up a set rotors. I will bring my camera and take a few pics if they let me. Hate to sound like a fan but I think these guys are legit. But again I am local and they did give me free air.
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In truth this thread is gong no where and should be closed
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In truth this thread is gong no where and should be closed
The purpose of this thread is for customers to share their experiences, good or bad. Where is there for it to go.

It's based on our experiences and as long as the personal attacks on other members stay out of the equation, it will remain open.

That is the purpose of this section of this forum.
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Tried to PM you but it would not work. Are you another victum of GMS or just following that other thread. I tend to want to hear from the real customers not the hear-say
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In truth this thread is gong no where and should be closed
So which is it...

You want to hear the truth or close the thread??? I guarantee I am a real customer and got screwed big time...

In one post you mentioned talking to Granatelli this am and in another you say he wasn't there so you talked to Jasper. Which is it???

J.R. / J.D ???
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The purpose of this thread is for customers to share their experiences, good or bad. Where is there for it to go.

It's based on our experiences and as long as the personal attacks on other members stay out of the equation, it will remain open.

That is the purpose of this section of this forum.
Fair enough.

As for Joey B. That is why I said the thread will go no place - he can't go three lines deep without insulting someone. As for the thread being closed or staying open (Mr B. - wonder what that stands for B-tch perhaps) it does not make it disappear. You seem to be like most contractors. You talk more than you work. Next you will ask me for a face to face as well. – Tom is right. Cool your jets Turdbo

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The video above shows Granatelli’s shop – I recognize that much - Joey B can you confirm that? No need to watch the entire video. Just go 6:49 into the video and confirm the guy on the left matches the fabrication guy in the video below

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You can see the dyno in the above video to this guys back. So it appears to be the same dude and the same shop.

I promise to take a ton of photos if they let me

Can anyone else confirm this. If they are lying to me as well I will fight against them as much I as fight for them.
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So which is it...

You want to hear the truth or close the thread??? I guarantee I am a real customer and got screwed big time...

In one post you mentioned talking to Granatelli this am and in another you say he wasn't there so you talked to Jasper. Which is it???

J.R. / J.D ???
When I said I spoke to Granatelli I mean that in generic form like Granatelli the company. I spoke to Jasper in tech. I did speak to Mr. Granatelli the last time I was there but not today

I meant nothing when I said close the thread other than it will turn into a run away. Your the boss BOSS. :-)

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WHY do you care and WHY would you want this thread closed ??? Hmmmm ??
Someone who has just gotten free air from them you are sure going thru alot of trouble defending someone you have NO experience with. I've been to the shop many times and NEVER saw anyone manufacturing anything (not to say they don't, I've just never seen it), all I see is stuff coming and going via carrier. And the parts guys packing and unpacking boxes.

For anyone coming on here to see if they want to do business with GMS, decide for yourself.
Also decide on if you want to take advice from someone who just got "free air" from them or people that have spent thousands and thousands of dollars with them. Myself over $30,000. Good luck
He's gotten more than free air - just bought a set of rotors from them.

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I purchased the Granateeli rotors this morning and I am driving there to pick them up. I have not looked up the stock weights but Granateli told me the fronts weigh 24.5 and the rears are 23.9. I asked why their brakes were better than stock and they said, well they are stock, Stock Brembo cores that are machined with slots and holes or dimples. The benefit stems from the slots and dimples

Anyway I paid $425.00 and could not pass up the deal. I will weigh them myself before i install them to confirm. Wilwoods were quoted to me at $4557 front and rear in Red or Black
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Did he just say a 2010 Camaro Z28 in the very beginning of that first video LMFAO. Smart guy he is.
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Also I did not try to PM YOU (SSE 4 2SS) I tied to PM (Stig) about brakes. I understand that you are a customer of Granatelli I was asking if Stig was as well. Although you never directly answered the question. You said you bought your first turbo kit from your engine guy who bought it from TTi. So I still can't see the connection to Granatelli. I understand they all call it the Granatelli/TTI kit but that is like saying you purchased a Vortech from Jannety Racing and now you expect SuperchargersOnLine to warranty it because they all sell "Vortech" blower and all use the "Vortech" name. Perhaps I am still missing something?

This is not a Granatelli thing by me although I can see how it reads that way. It’s just a matter of fact thing. I worked at Raypak and amongst other things we sold Pool Heaters. When the company purchased Mr. Spa, a fiberglass above ground spa manufacture out of Camarillo we got call from people looking for warranty work on their old units. My job was to explain that Raypak (Rheem - the parent company) only purchased the location and assets, which included the phone number. We did not purchase the manufacturing. Some people called the BBB to say we were not holding up to the Mr. Spa promise. Despite my explaining we were not Mr. Spa we were Raypak who purchased "stuff" from Mr. Spa they still said. Well it s says Mr. Spa on the box and when I call that number you guys answer so you guys must be responsible. Go Figure.

Respectfully that is what it sounds like here. You purchased a turbo kit from a mechanic who purchased a kit from TTi and because it says Granatelli turbos on the net you are putting them together. I understand you say Turbo tech built the kit for Granatelli. That only means Turbo Tech has a hand in Granatelli business not the other way around - While I am sure you are getting mad at me now I am merely getting all my information from this thread and what you say here and your mega thread. You said Granatelli sold you new turbos (off his own car) and then gave you a credit for your old ones after they came back from Turbonetics or Precision. If he sold you turbos and credited you for the old ones then what are we missing. Perhaps you feel he over charged you. That I can see and understand but the rest does not make sense.

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I spent $425.00 and if they are lying I will call them out. You all joke about free air but miss the fat I was talking about thier customer service. You said they don't make anything and I said I will investigate.
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Thumbs up My experience with Granatelli...outstanding!

Chalk me up as another guy that thinks Granatelli is a stand-up guy. Yes, this is my 1st post and yes Granatelli asked me to read this thread. However, he did not ask me to reply...I do that on my own accord.

When I purchased my 2006 C6 Corvette, my performance became mundane very quickly. After many hours of research, I decided on a A&A Corvette kit with long tube headers and a Wicked Racing C5R camshaft. The end result was I had a really fast car that was really loud. After about 8 moths of driving, I just hated the way my car sounded and idled with the headers and camshaft. It sounded cool when I dropped my son off at school because it turned everyone’s heads. On the other hand, it wasn’t so cool when I had a business meeting or a night on the town with a lady friend. It was then that I decided I wanted something just as powerful but didn’t sound like a race car or draw so much attention. I wanted a drivable car with perfect road manners an amazing power (I was so done with the lumpy-lump cam BS – guess I’m getting old).

When I did my research I came across several companies that offered what I wanted. I ended up speaking with Tim at Lingenfelter, Hennessey at Hennessey and Chris at Granatelli. They were all easy to deal with and all on the same page as I was. I ended up with Granatelli for no other reason than they caught me at just the right time. Lingenfelter wanted near double what Granatelli charged. Hennessey was a few thousand under Lingenfelter but seemed like I was getting less. They were all impressive. If you just followed all the press it’s hard not to go with Lingenfelter. It’s interesting to note that when I did my net research in ’06, I couldn’t find bad press on Granatelli. Hennessey took a beating over Viper stuff. Lingenfelter had good, great and bad reviews as well. It was all food for thought but “thought” none the less. I did not go with Granatelli because he charged the least as money was not the issue. That is not to say I have unlimited funds either…like most of you, I work very hard for every dollar and I wanted to make the right decision. Choosing Granatelli somehow felt right.

I ended up sending my Vette to Granatelli in California. You can see I live in Texas. I ended up with a 414 c.i. engine and a Twin Turbo kit at only 9 psi. On their engine dyno it made 904hp and 881 ft/lbs. I was shocked when I first heard it…it sounded near stock and perfectly quiet..just like I wanted all along. They tuned it on their chassis dyno where it made 812 rwhp and 800 ft/lbs. This was, by far, the most power I had ever had. I was eager to tame all that power! My plan was fly to California and drive the car back but that never worked out. Unfortunately, I had a death in the family and I mentally was not up to it. Granatelli sent me a video of my car completed and I took a shot that his word was his bond.

A week later Horseless Carriage pulled up to me house and drop off my baby. SIDE BAR. Granatelli took my checks all the way up until the final payment prior to shipping. Then I paid with a cashiers check which made sense. That is how I would have done business so when SSE 4 2SS seems offended that Granatelli would not take his check - it seems like a smart business move and should not be taken personal IMO. As my Vette came off the upper deck of the truck I could see the bottom of the car looked as good as the top. They spent a lot of time making it right…pure craftsmanship IMO. They even paid to have it professionally detailed inside an out. I’m not kidding…the engine was so clean you could eat off of it. The interior looked brand new and there was not a fingerprint ANYWHERE…perfection! There was even a cool console plaque with the Granatelli logo, engine size and horsepower…a nice touch. In the passenger seat was a Granatelli folder with a full color engine and chassis dyno chart, DVD of the engine dyno, and professional photos of my baby (along with a copy of the invoice and J.R.’s personal business card).

I can go on about how nice my baby ran and bore you all with minute details but here is the bottom line: My car was flawless, fast and tame at a stop light. A year after driving the car and 7,000+ miles later the fuel pump failed so I called Granatelli for help. Granatelli charged my card for a new pump set up and said he would credit me back when the old unit was returned. He even paid for overnight shipping. When my mechanic returned the pump to Granatelli, Granatelli called to say this was not their pump set up. After thinking about it they realized when my car came in, it already had the fuel pump upgrades that came with the supercharger kit. With that said, I didn’t receive a refund but again, I understood that it was not something supplied by Granatelli. Based on the 1 year time lapse I really did not think he owed me anyway. I never took the position that I spent $40,000 so he owed me something.

Moving on…let’s fast forward to now. I was made an offer I couldn’t refuse for my baby so I sold her. Still having a love affair with super high performance Vettes, I purchased a super clean 2012 ZR1 with less than 1000 miles on it. My next call was to Granatelli to see what goodies he could ship me to add on a few extra ponies. I also purchased a 2011 SS/RS for my son and wanted to know about his suspension parts – no F/I for my kid – not on my dime anyway.

So that’s my story in a nutshell. If this, being my first post, has less value to guys with 1000 plus posts – I get it. I figured I owed it to Granatelli because they really did go above and beyond for me. They even sent flowers when my father passed away and that little stuff goes along way with me.

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06 vette, camaro forum, 06 vette, first post on camaro forum ... odd. wonder if he just stumbled upon the thread while in google.
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Wow!

Why is this issue on such the rise (poor customer service/cheating customers)? Scary!
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This starts with my responses in the quote from you and proceeds down to the bottom, I made my comments in bold red lettering for clarity...
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Also I did not try to PM YOU (SSE 4 2SS) I tied to PM (Stig) about brakes. I understand that you are a customer of Granatelli I was asking if Stig was as well. Although you never directly answered the question. You said you bought your first turbo kit from your engine guy who bought it from TTi. So I still can't see the connection to Granatelli. I understand they all call it the Granatelli/TTI kit but that is like saying you purchased a Vortech from Jannety Racing and now you expect SuperchargersOnLine to warranty it because they all sell "Vortech" blower and all use the "Vortech" name. Perhaps I am still missing something?

I'll try to use simple terms... and lay this out for you... Granatelli must not be coaching you very well...

My builder and I, tried to talk to phone reps at Granatelli about the kit. My builder is an engineer and he didn't want a voice reading the sales ad to him... He needed higher level information...

We could not get J.R. on the phone, so I pm'ed George at TTI and he gave us a number to call... even though he was at the time at SEMA.

We called and talked to him, got our questions answered and ended up that George set my builder up as a preferred vendor/installer...

We bought the kit... I'm not going into the details of it here, but my builder and I have an agreement pertaining
this car that is outside of the norm, but that's our business...

At that time, TTI/Granatelli were considered one for the purposes of business and this kit... I'll prove it later... Hang on...

They both claimed ownership of the kit... J.R. the loudest...

This is not a Granatelli thing by me ...Bunch of irrelevant stuff deleted here...

Respectfully that is what it sounds like here. You purchased a turbo kit from a mechanic who purchased a kit from TTi and because it says Granatelli turbos on the net you are putting them together. I understand you say Turbo tech built the kit for Granatelli. That only means Turbo Tech has a hand in Granatelli business not the other way around - While I am sure you are getting mad at me now I am merely getting all my information from this thread and what you say here and your mega thread. You said Granatelli sold you new turbos (off his own car) Wrong... J.R. sold me the turbo's off his display motor. He asked for my old turbo's to put back on his display motor... I did this... They were my turbos bought and paid for...He told me in the parking lot the turbos retailed for 1600 a piece, and so it would cost me 3600... huh??? He didn't pay retail for them... so he way over doubled his profit there based on knowing I was stuck... and he had the balls to do this in front of several hundred people that knew the car and were following along... I can post some of those comments as well... and then gave you a credit for your old ones after they came back from Turbonetics or Precision. If he sold you turbos and credited you for the old ones then what are we missing. Perhaps you feel he over charged you. That I can see and understand but the rest does not make sense. The credit was way less than the value of the turbo's that I already had a buyer for... He never gave me the option to take possession of them... basically he stole them and then out of the goodness of his little heart, he paid me what he wanted for them....

Gotta run -
I have pulled a few quotes below to disprove and counter everything you mention... So, your argument and long drawn out drama are completely baseless...

Please read the following quotes and feel free to ask if you can't follow them...



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Granatelli[/COLOR];2960433]Look who is back from the bad boy room! Thanks for putting us in your signature

From my build thread... I had added TTI/Granatelli to my signature at the time, since I was the owner of the TTI/Granatelli Kit.


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Granatelli[/COLOR];2976337]We sell the kit both ways - it was order that way - oh well live and learn
J.R. felt it ok to answer questions related to the kit... his kit so why not...

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Originally Posted by [B
Granatelli[/B];2979581]The 2 lines that are T'd with the black heat wrap are the oil feeds to both turbos. We supply provisions to tap into the oil sending unit with a single supply line and then it T's into 2 smaller lines to feed the turbos. The attached to detail on your install looks great I am proud to have Granatelli TT system on your beast
Seriously damning evidence of claiming ownership of the kit here, regardless of who actually took the money in the first place... Remember, they are in bed together as for the purpose of this TT kit... Can I make it any clearer... J.R. claimed ownership right up until the turbo's crapped themselves... I could get out a crayon and big chief tablet if needed...

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Turbonium!!
Whatever... Obviously J.R. was excited about the results we were achieving with "HIS" kit...

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Nice to see numbers on the Granatelli system that are not from me. I hear there is a guy in Florida that has been running 10.6 at 129 with our kit on an otherwise stock car - I know he is a member here but has not posted since he purchased his kit - uhg or is that ugh
In this one above, J.R. was glad we were advertising the numbers as an independent evaluator rather than having to constantly post his results, which can be skewed by vendors... We validated "HIS" kit... We made a sales argument for "HIM."

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Originally Posted by [B
TTI George[/B];3043332]That would be TTI/GMS
And here, George got miffed that Granatelli took sole credit for the kit in the post above... Understandbly so, since the kit was the TTI/Granatelli kit ... Can't separate it any way you slice it...

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Yes George
Awww, and J.R. having had his peepee spanked agreed, yes it is the TTI/Granatelli kit...
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SIDE BAR. Granatelli took my checks all the way up until the final payment prior to shipping. Then I paid with a cashiers check which made sense. That is how I would have done business so when SSE 4 2SS seems offended that Granatelli would not take his check - it seems like a smart business move and should not be taken personal IMO.
I'm glad your happy...

Now, and this is a rhetorical (for conversational purposes) question...

If I was transacting something with you, under less than ideal circumstances (like you are trapped 1000 miles from home with a broken car, which had only recently been completed at a sum of tens of thousands of dollars) and your wife was standing there supporting you as my beautiful wife supports me, and she asked, would you take a check without batting an eyeball over just hearing that the turbo's that cost 1600 retail, which J.R. didn't pay, were going to cost you that much plus more, and I looked at your wife and said... snidely, "no, I prefer plastic"... would that not have pissed you off... If it wouldn't, you either do not care or didn't understand the situation...

J.R. knew we had just spent tens of thousands on this car and we were good for it....

He's lucky I didn't lay him out in the parking lot right then... Fortunately, I have self control and a filter and knew I still needed to get the turbo's and install them...

It's obvious J.R. has rolled out his rolodex and is grasping for help...

J.R. may have offered the other guy defending him a set of brake rotors for his comments... What is he offering you???

I know one of the previous limited number posters is a friend that J.R. goes out to eat with, with their wives...

What's he offering you??? Curious minds want to know...
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I am going to reiterate... Leave the personal threats and personal name calling of other members out of this thread... I have edited those postings...

Obviously there are some heated issues in here dealing with tens of thousands of dollars and I understand that as I am one of them that got screwed... Having said that...

Warnings will be issued and bans if necessary....
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