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Old 05-30-2013, 12:02 AM   #76
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Well I was tempted to buy some Granatelli brake rotors but after reading this and speaking with Jim from Ohio Speed, I'm gonna go the way of R1 Concepts premium brake rotors.
I called GMS this morning and asked for an opinion on all this stuff. J.R. was not in and his guys had no real knowledge of the thread. Spoke to Jasper and asked about where the wires and suspension were made. He said its all made here at the shop. I asked about the rotors not fitting because someone said they seemed oversized. He claimed they were Brembo blanks that they have slotted and drilled. To say shipping I am going there after work and picking up a set rotors. I will bring my camera and take a few pics if they let me. Hate to sound like a fan but I think these guys are legit. But again I am local and they did give me free air.
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In truth this thread is gong no where and should be closed
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In truth this thread is gong no where and should be closed
The purpose of this thread is for customers to share their experiences, good or bad. Where is there for it to go.

It's based on our experiences and as long as the personal attacks on other members stay out of the equation, it will remain open.

That is the purpose of this section of this forum.
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Old 05-30-2013, 11:39 AM   #80
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In truth this thread is gong no where and should be closed
WHY do you care and WHY would you want this thread closed ??? Hmmmm ??
Someone who has just gotten free air from them you are sure going thru alot of trouble defending someone you have NO experience with. I've been to the shop many times and NEVER saw anyone manufacturing anything (not to say they don't, I've just never seen it), all I see is stuff coming and going via carrier. And the parts guys packing and unpacking boxes.

For anyone coming on here to see if they want to do business with GMS, decide for yourself.
Also decide on if you want to take advice from someone who just got "free air" from them or people that have spent thousands and thousands of dollars with them. Myself over $30,000. Good luck
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Tried to PM you but it would not work. Are you another victum of GMS or just following that other thread. I tend to want to hear from the real customers not the hear-say
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In truth this thread is gong no where and should be closed
So which is it...

You want to hear the truth or close the thread??? I guarantee I am a real customer and got screwed big time...

In one post you mentioned talking to Granatelli this am and in another you say he wasn't there so you talked to Jasper. Which is it???

J.R. / J.D ???
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:27 PM   #82
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The purpose of this thread is for customers to share their experiences, good or bad. Where is there for it to go.

It's based on our experiences and as long as the personal attacks on other members stay out of the equation, it will remain open.

That is the purpose of this section of this forum.
Fair enough.

As for Joey B. That is why I said the thread will go no place - he can't go three lines deep without insulting someone. As for the thread being closed or staying open (Mr B. - wonder what that stands for B-tch perhaps) it does not make it disappear. You seem to be like most contractors. You talk more than you work. Next you will ask me for a face to face as well. – Tom is right. Cool your jets Turdbo

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The video above shows Granatelli’s shop – I recognize that much - Joey B can you confirm that? No need to watch the entire video. Just go 6:49 into the video and confirm the guy on the left matches the fabrication guy in the video below

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You can see the dyno in the above video to this guys back. So it appears to be the same dude and the same shop.

I promise to take a ton of photos if they let me

Can anyone else confirm this. If they are lying to me as well I will fight against them as much I as fight for them.
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So which is it...

You want to hear the truth or close the thread??? I guarantee I am a real customer and got screwed big time...

In one post you mentioned talking to Granatelli this am and in another you say he wasn't there so you talked to Jasper. Which is it???

J.R. / J.D ???
When I said I spoke to Granatelli I mean that in generic form like Granatelli the company. I spoke to Jasper in tech. I did speak to Mr. Granatelli the last time I was there but not today

I meant nothing when I said close the thread other than it will turn into a run away. Your the boss BOSS. :-)

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WHY do you care and WHY would you want this thread closed ??? Hmmmm ??
Someone who has just gotten free air from them you are sure going thru alot of trouble defending someone you have NO experience with. I've been to the shop many times and NEVER saw anyone manufacturing anything (not to say they don't, I've just never seen it), all I see is stuff coming and going via carrier. And the parts guys packing and unpacking boxes.

For anyone coming on here to see if they want to do business with GMS, decide for yourself.
Also decide on if you want to take advice from someone who just got "free air" from them or people that have spent thousands and thousands of dollars with them. Myself over $30,000. Good luck
He's gotten more than free air - just bought a set of rotors from them.

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I purchased the Granateeli rotors this morning and I am driving there to pick them up. I have not looked up the stock weights but Granateli told me the fronts weigh 24.5 and the rears are 23.9. I asked why their brakes were better than stock and they said, well they are stock, Stock Brembo cores that are machined with slots and holes or dimples. The benefit stems from the slots and dimples

Anyway I paid $425.00 and could not pass up the deal. I will weigh them myself before i install them to confirm. Wilwoods were quoted to me at $4557 front and rear in Red or Black
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Did he just say a 2010 Camaro Z28 in the very beginning of that first video LMFAO. Smart guy he is.
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Also I did not try to PM YOU (SSE 4 2SS) I tied to PM (Stig) about brakes. I understand that you are a customer of Granatelli I was asking if Stig was as well. Although you never directly answered the question. You said you bought your first turbo kit from your engine guy who bought it from TTi. So I still can't see the connection to Granatelli. I understand they all call it the Granatelli/TTI kit but that is like saying you purchased a Vortech from Jannety Racing and now you expect SuperchargersOnLine to warranty it because they all sell "Vortech" blower and all use the "Vortech" name. Perhaps I am still missing something?

This is not a Granatelli thing by me although I can see how it reads that way. It’s just a matter of fact thing. I worked at Raypak and amongst other things we sold Pool Heaters. When the company purchased Mr. Spa, a fiberglass above ground spa manufacture out of Camarillo we got call from people looking for warranty work on their old units. My job was to explain that Raypak (Rheem - the parent company) only purchased the location and assets, which included the phone number. We did not purchase the manufacturing. Some people called the BBB to say we were not holding up to the Mr. Spa promise. Despite my explaining we were not Mr. Spa we were Raypak who purchased "stuff" from Mr. Spa they still said. Well it s says Mr. Spa on the box and when I call that number you guys answer so you guys must be responsible. Go Figure.

Respectfully that is what it sounds like here. You purchased a turbo kit from a mechanic who purchased a kit from TTi and because it says Granatelli turbos on the net you are putting them together. I understand you say Turbo tech built the kit for Granatelli. That only means Turbo Tech has a hand in Granatelli business not the other way around - While I am sure you are getting mad at me now I am merely getting all my information from this thread and what you say here and your mega thread. You said Granatelli sold you new turbos (off his own car) and then gave you a credit for your old ones after they came back from Turbonetics or Precision. If he sold you turbos and credited you for the old ones then what are we missing. Perhaps you feel he over charged you. That I can see and understand but the rest does not make sense.

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Business must be slow huh ? You must have some life defending someone you have NO experiance with except for FREE AIR and some $400 rotors you haven't even picked up yet.
Get a life slowfofo and please man up and meet me next Tues. when I am in Ventura.
If you don't then you are just a HUGE JOKE !
Also whats with you whinning about name calling then calling me two in the first paragraph. Like I said your a HUGE JOKE, go bother another thread where what you say actually holds some weight.
Leave the people who have actually dealt and spent money with GMS post.

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I spent $425.00 and if they are lying I will call them out. You all joke about free air but miss the fat I was talking about thier customer service. You said they don't make anything and I said I will investigate.
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Thumbs up My experience with Granatelli...outstanding!

Chalk me up as another guy that thinks Granatelli is a stand-up guy. Yes, this is my 1st post and yes Granatelli asked me to read this thread. However, he did not ask me to reply...I do that on my own accord.

When I purchased my 2006 C6 Corvette, my performance became mundane very quickly. After many hours of research, I decided on a A&A Corvette kit with long tube headers and a Wicked Racing C5R camshaft. The end result was I had a really fast car that was really loud. After about 8 moths of driving, I just hated the way my car sounded and idled with the headers and camshaft. It sounded cool when I dropped my son off at school because it turned everyone’s heads. On the other hand, it wasn’t so cool when I had a business meeting or a night on the town with a lady friend. It was then that I decided I wanted something just as powerful but didn’t sound like a race car or draw so much attention. I wanted a drivable car with perfect road manners an amazing power (I was so done with the lumpy-lump cam BS – guess I’m getting old).

When I did my research I came across several companies that offered what I wanted. I ended up speaking with Tim at Lingenfelter, Hennessey at Hennessey and Chris at Granatelli. They were all easy to deal with and all on the same page as I was. I ended up with Granatelli for no other reason than they caught me at just the right time. Lingenfelter wanted near double what Granatelli charged. Hennessey was a few thousand under Lingenfelter but seemed like I was getting less. They were all impressive. If you just followed all the press it’s hard not to go with Lingenfelter. It’s interesting to note that when I did my net research in ’06, I couldn’t find bad press on Granatelli. Hennessey took a beating over Viper stuff. Lingenfelter had good, great and bad reviews as well. It was all food for thought but “thought” none the less. I did not go with Granatelli because he charged the least as money was not the issue. That is not to say I have unlimited funds either…like most of you, I work very hard for every dollar and I wanted to make the right decision. Choosing Granatelli somehow felt right.

I ended up sending my Vette to Granatelli in California. You can see I live in Texas. I ended up with a 414 c.i. engine and a Twin Turbo kit at only 9 psi. On their engine dyno it made 904hp and 881 ft/lbs. I was shocked when I first heard it…it sounded near stock and perfectly quiet..just like I wanted all along. They tuned it on their chassis dyno where it made 812 rwhp and 800 ft/lbs. This was, by far, the most power I had ever had. I was eager to tame all that power! My plan was fly to California and drive the car back but that never worked out. Unfortunately, I had a death in the family and I mentally was not up to it. Granatelli sent me a video of my car completed and I took a shot that his word was his bond.

A week later Horseless Carriage pulled up to me house and drop off my baby. SIDE BAR. Granatelli took my checks all the way up until the final payment prior to shipping. Then I paid with a cashiers check which made sense. That is how I would have done business so when SSE 4 2SS seems offended that Granatelli would not take his check - it seems like a smart business move and should not be taken personal IMO. As my Vette came off the upper deck of the truck I could see the bottom of the car looked as good as the top. They spent a lot of time making it right…pure craftsmanship IMO. They even paid to have it professionally detailed inside an out. I’m not kidding…the engine was so clean you could eat off of it. The interior looked brand new and there was not a fingerprint ANYWHERE…perfection! There was even a cool console plaque with the Granatelli logo, engine size and horsepower…a nice touch. In the passenger seat was a Granatelli folder with a full color engine and chassis dyno chart, DVD of the engine dyno, and professional photos of my baby (along with a copy of the invoice and J.R.’s personal business card).

I can go on about how nice my baby ran and bore you all with minute details but here is the bottom line: My car was flawless, fast and tame at a stop light. A year after driving the car and 7,000+ miles later the fuel pump failed so I called Granatelli for help. Granatelli charged my card for a new pump set up and said he would credit me back when the old unit was returned. He even paid for overnight shipping. When my mechanic returned the pump to Granatelli, Granatelli called to say this was not their pump set up. After thinking about it they realized when my car came in, it already had the fuel pump upgrades that came with the supercharger kit. With that said, I didn’t receive a refund but again, I understood that it was not something supplied by Granatelli. Based on the 1 year time lapse I really did not think he owed me anyway. I never took the position that I spent $40,000 so he owed me something.

Moving on…let’s fast forward to now. I was made an offer I couldn’t refuse for my baby so I sold her. Still having a love affair with super high performance Vettes, I purchased a super clean 2012 ZR1 with less than 1000 miles on it. My next call was to Granatelli to see what goodies he could ship me to add on a few extra ponies. I also purchased a 2011 SS/RS for my son and wanted to know about his suspension parts – no F/I for my kid – not on my dime anyway.

So that’s my story in a nutshell. If this, being my first post, has less value to guys with 1000 plus posts – I get it. I figured I owed it to Granatelli because they really did go above and beyond for me. They even sent flowers when my father passed away and that little stuff goes along way with me.

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06 vette, camaro forum, 06 vette, first post on camaro forum ... odd. wonder if he just stumbled upon the thread while in google.
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Why is this issue on such the rise (poor customer service/cheating customers)? Scary!
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Wow, wish I had the '06 JR !! I'd be singing his paraises too !! You sure you got the right shop ???
Funny after I got my car back the very first time I had to tell Nick and JR that I no longer wanted to get my car back with their mechanic's finger prints all over it. Told them if I bring the car to you clean I want it back that way. I even said they could add the cost into the bill for washing, I just don't want to spend thousands and get a dirty car back.
Wish I was smart enough to have taken pics, looked like the cops dusted it for finger prints..lol
Still to this day he brings that up in emails like I was complaining for no reason.

On a side note: Slowfofo PM me and I will give you my cell so we can meet up next Tuesday. I'm done with your BS and wasting everyones time on here arguing with you.


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This starts with my responses in the quote from you and proceeds down to the bottom, I made my comments in bold red lettering for clarity...
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Also I did not try to PM YOU (SSE 4 2SS) I tied to PM (Stig) about brakes. I understand that you are a customer of Granatelli I was asking if Stig was as well. Although you never directly answered the question. You said you bought your first turbo kit from your engine guy who bought it from TTi. So I still can't see the connection to Granatelli. I understand they all call it the Granatelli/TTI kit but that is like saying you purchased a Vortech from Jannety Racing and now you expect SuperchargersOnLine to warranty it because they all sell "Vortech" blower and all use the "Vortech" name. Perhaps I am still missing something?

I'll try to use simple terms... and lay this out for you... Granatelli must not be coaching you very well...

My builder and I, tried to talk to phone reps at Granatelli about the kit. My builder is an engineer and he didn't want a voice reading the sales ad to him... He needed higher level information...

We could not get J.R. on the phone, so I pm'ed George at TTI and he gave us a number to call... even though he was at the time at SEMA.

We called and talked to him, got our questions answered and ended up that George set my builder up as a preferred vendor/installer...

We bought the kit... I'm not going into the details of it here, but my builder and I have an agreement pertaining
this car that is outside of the norm, but that's our business...

At that time, TTI/Granatelli were considered one for the purposes of business and this kit... I'll prove it later... Hang on...

They both claimed ownership of the kit... J.R. the loudest...

This is not a Granatelli thing by me ...Bunch of irrelevant stuff deleted here...

Respectfully that is what it sounds like here. You purchased a turbo kit from a mechanic who purchased a kit from TTi and because it says Granatelli turbos on the net you are putting them together. I understand you say Turbo tech built the kit for Granatelli. That only means Turbo Tech has a hand in Granatelli business not the other way around - While I am sure you are getting mad at me now I am merely getting all my information from this thread and what you say here and your mega thread. You said Granatelli sold you new turbos (off his own car) Wrong... J.R. sold me the turbo's off his display motor. He asked for my old turbo's to put back on his display motor... I did this... They were my turbos bought and paid for...He told me in the parking lot the turbos retailed for 1600 a piece, and so it would cost me 3600... huh??? He didn't pay retail for them... so he way over doubled his profit there based on knowing I was stuck... and he had the balls to do this in front of several hundred people that knew the car and were following along... I can post some of those comments as well... and then gave you a credit for your old ones after they came back from Turbonetics or Precision. If he sold you turbos and credited you for the old ones then what are we missing. Perhaps you feel he over charged you. That I can see and understand but the rest does not make sense. The credit was way less than the value of the turbo's that I already had a buyer for... He never gave me the option to take possession of them... basically he stole them and then out of the goodness of his little heart, he paid me what he wanted for them....

Gotta run -
I have pulled a few quotes below to disprove and counter everything you mention... So, your argument and long drawn out drama are completely baseless...

Please read the following quotes and feel free to ask if you can't follow them...



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Granatelli[/COLOR];2960433]Look who is back from the bad boy room! Thanks for putting us in your signature

From my build thread... I had added TTI/Granatelli to my signature at the time, since I was the owner of the TTI/Granatelli Kit.


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Granatelli[/COLOR];2976337]We sell the kit both ways - it was order that way - oh well live and learn
J.R. felt it ok to answer questions related to the kit... his kit so why not...

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Granatelli[/B];2979581]The 2 lines that are T'd with the black heat wrap are the oil feeds to both turbos. We supply provisions to tap into the oil sending unit with a single supply line and then it T's into 2 smaller lines to feed the turbos. The attached to detail on your install looks great I am proud to have Granatelli TT system on your beast
Seriously damning evidence of claiming ownership of the kit here, regardless of who actually took the money in the first place... Remember, they are in bed together as for the purpose of this TT kit... Can I make it any clearer... J.R. claimed ownership right up until the turbo's crapped themselves... I could get out a crayon and big chief tablet if needed...

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Turbonium!!
Whatever... Obviously J.R. was excited about the results we were achieving with "HIS" kit...

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Nice to see numbers on the Granatelli system that are not from me. I hear there is a guy in Florida that has been running 10.6 at 129 with our kit on an otherwise stock car - I know he is a member here but has not posted since he purchased his kit - uhg or is that ugh
In this one above, J.R. was glad we were advertising the numbers as an independent evaluator rather than having to constantly post his results, which can be skewed by vendors... We validated "HIS" kit... We made a sales argument for "HIM."

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TTI George[/B];3043332]That would be TTI/GMS
And here, George got miffed that Granatelli took sole credit for the kit in the post above... Understandbly so, since the kit was the TTI/Granatelli kit ... Can't separate it any way you slice it...

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Yes George
Awww, and J.R. having had his peepee spanked agreed, yes it is the TTI/Granatelli kit...
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SIDE BAR. Granatelli took my checks all the way up until the final payment prior to shipping. Then I paid with a cashiers check which made sense. That is how I would have done business so when SSE 4 2SS seems offended that Granatelli would not take his check - it seems like a smart business move and should not be taken personal IMO.
I'm glad your happy...

Now, and this is a rhetorical (for conversational purposes) question...

If I was transacting something with you, under less than ideal circumstances (like you are trapped 1000 miles from home with a broken car, which had only recently been completed at a sum of tens of thousands of dollars) and your wife was standing there supporting you as my beautiful wife supports me, and she asked, would you take a check without batting an eyeball over just hearing that the turbo's that cost 1600 retail, which J.R. didn't pay, were going to cost you that much plus more, and I looked at your wife and said... snidely, "no, I prefer plastic"... would that not have pissed you off... If it wouldn't, you either do not care or didn't understand the situation...

J.R. knew we had just spent tens of thousands on this car and we were good for it....

He's lucky I didn't lay him out in the parking lot right then... Fortunately, I have self control and a filter and knew I still needed to get the turbo's and install them...

It's obvious J.R. has rolled out his rolodex and is grasping for help...

J.R. may have offered the other guy defending him a set of brake rotors for his comments... What is he offering you???

I know one of the previous limited number posters is a friend that J.R. goes out to eat with, with their wives...

What's he offering you??? Curious minds want to know...
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I am going to reiterate... Leave the personal threats and personal name calling of other members out of this thread... I have edited those postings...

Obviously there are some heated issues in here dealing with tens of thousands of dollars and I understand that as I am one of them that got screwed... Having said that...

Warnings will be issued and bans if necessary....
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Another JR story : This past Feb. I went to race in Vegas after spending over $20,000. in engine and other upgrades at GMS. Told by JR & Nick I would have no problem getting into mid - low 10's in the 1/4 mile, since last year I got to 11.08 without all the new upgrades.
Well I get there same month and temp.(give or take a degree or two) as the year before. And I couldn't get into the 10's, still running low 11's. So of course I'm pissed ! $20,000 and not a bit faster. (FYI it's a auto so no driver error)
So JR calls in a favor and gets one of the top tuners to come to the track the next day since JR assumes it's got to be the tune thats the problem.
Well the guy comes & spends a good 6-7 hrs with me and the car retuning it etc.. and still not in the 10's. AND HERES THE KICKER I HAD TO PAY THE GUY THE $400. FOR HIS TIME !! You think since I just spent over $20,000 with GMS and he tuned it he would cover the cost of the retune and pay the guy himmself since the car didn't do even a tenth of what was promised. So again think twice before using GMS ! In my opinion he is a crook !!
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Old 05-30-2013, 04:10 PM   #97
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I'm glad your happy...

Now, and this is a rhetorical (for conversational purposes) question...

If I was transacting something with you, under less than ideal circumstances (like you are trapped 1000 miles from home with a broken car, which had only recently been completed at a sum of tens of thousands of dollars) and your wife was standing there supporting you as my beautiful wife supports me, and she asked, would you take a check without batting an eyeball over just hearing that the turbo's that cost 1600 retail, which J.R. didn't pay, were going to cost you that much plus more, and I looked at your wife and said... snidely, "no, I prefer plastic"... would that not have pissed you off... If it wouldn't, you either do not care or didn't understand the situation...

J.R. knew we had just spent tens of thousands on this car and we were good for it....

He's lucky I didn't lay him out in the parking lot right then... Fortunately, I have self control and a filter and knew I still needed to get the turbo's and install them...

It's obvious J.R. has rolled out his rolodex and is grasping for help...

J.R. may have offered the other guy defending him a set of brake rotors for his comments... What is he offering you???

I know one of the previous limited number posters is a friend that J.R. goes out to eat with, with their wives...

What's he offering you??? Curious minds want to know...
I understand your frustration. If I didn't have the ability to take a snap shot of your check and have it deposited instantly, I probably wouldn't take a check. Why? If I knew you were really upset, then it's likely that you might stop payment on the check. Since you are out of state, it would probably cost more in attorney fees than it's worth...so in the end, I would probably have to eat it. There is the problem: most business people I know can't just eat $3,200. I'm not sure why your turbos failed or what happened. If they were under warranty, then I'm confident J.R. would have made it right.

Things do happen...I wasn't at Phoenix Fest but I'm sure the frustration level was extremely high and the hot temps didn't help matters. Incidentally, I was married once. Whenever I had high dollar automotive projects, my wife wanted me to spend an equivalent amount of money on her. If I didn't pony up the funds or if the project got out of control with expenses, I NEVER heard the end of it...and she made my life miserable in the process.

It's a pay as you go world. I don't expect nor do I ask for a free lunch. I've always paid my own way...sometimes you pay a little and sometimes you pay almost everything. J.R. never promised me a thing nor did I ask him for special consideration. He showed me the posts and asked my opinion...I've given it. My take is that I've had a completely different experience than you have. Of course, I know of some Hennessy twin turbo customers and their stories would make the hair on the back of your neck stand straight up. This doesn't give Granatelli (or other vendor) a pass.

Back in the 80's, my dad bought a Callaway twin turbo Corvette brand new and his engine literally melted several times. Yes, it was covered under warranty but what a nightmare. I remember my mom reading him the riot act over and over so he eventually gave it back to GM and they gave him another Vette (normally aspirated). Had they had the Internet and a forum where he could air his grievances then, maybe he would have shouted them from the rooftops...though he was never a complainer. From what I understand, Callaway had THE pristine reputation among Corvette owners (much like Lingenfelter is reported to have). In fact, my dad said he heard nothing but rave reviews about Callaway...His experience was something far different. He always scratched his head on that one and we never figured out why he had all the problems he did. It's worth mentioning because bad experiences can happen with ANY manufacturer.

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Old 05-30-2013, 04:18 PM   #98
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J.R. never promised me a thing nor did I ask him for special consideration. He showed me the posts and asked my opinion...I've given it.

Wow I guess I was WAY OFF on that rolodex comment yesterday...NOT !
Now whose crazy ?
Keep 'em coming JR !
Funny thing is JR, if you spent as much time helping the customers who paid you tons of $$ as you do calling your buddies to come to your rescue this thread would have never happened !
See ya in court !
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:32 PM   #99
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Pictures coming shortly - I guess I just missed GMG69. They said he was there right before me with his twin turbo car. I would have like to seen that.

I spoke to J.R. about the twin turbo kit on your car and he has the same story you do. Therefore you are in agreement(not sure if that brings you any comfort) Where you differ is ironically what I said. You purchased a kit from George at Turbo Tech. Granatelli said both he and George spoke to your engine "engineer" and both told him NOT TO RUN JOURNEL BEARING TURBO'S on a large displacement engine. Also you will note when Granatelli was posting on your thread you keep saying you had a Granatelli kit and J.R was responding. It was shortly after when Granatelli saw your install photos on your thread that he realized you purchased a kit from TTi. Even after that he still supported you and when your car's turbo failed he happily sold you the turbos off his own engine. He did not keep your turbos and screw you out of them, he did as you requested and sent them back to Precision (on his own dime) as you requested. You keep saying he charged you 1600 times 2. That is 3200 not $3600. I tried to call BS on J.R. in a nice way and he showed me your invoice. He billed you $3200 and then credited you back $2000. If you look at the Precision website a ball bearing to journal bearing up grade is $980 to $1100 each. $580 was his cost each. So he made $40.00 profit in total but paid shipping so he most likely lost money. He seemed genuinely displeased that you were not happy and said he tried to speak with you by phone back then but you were clearly very mad. He explained to me that you explained to him after the fact that your engine guy could have saved you the $40 bucks but "all due respect" JR's words, He is in business to stay in business and as much as it may be confusing to you - You were Corry’s customer who was Georges customer. The fact that you J.R. posted on your thread and tried to help you before during and after Camaro Fest only goes to show he did what he said he would. You had me believing he stole your turbos - that is clearly not the case and I saw the paperwork.

I do understand your side but it is clear that J.R. Granatelli did his part and tried to make it right by you. I guess you all need to agree to disagree on that one. Call me crazy but I think the guy went out of his way to help. Where you differ in opinion is on the Money side of things. I note no where in here do you ever mention calling Turbo Tech for help or service. Why not.

You say they seemed more engineering like. Why deal with them all the way until you had a problem and then dump on J.R.?

Simple - Because J.R. made himself the target by putting himself out there. I did a search on George at Turbo Tech - He rarely if never comes here and does not appear to have supported the sight either. So like they say no good deed goes unpunished.

I am not blinded one way or the other - you paint the picture your way and he paints it his way but reading and listening to both sides and one can see you agree on most everything but the ball bearing upgrade fees.
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:40 PM   #100
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Lastly I would add that 2 guys are feeling let down by JR Granatelli and his company but on the flip side we have biggerNtexas, GMG69 and Tom D that all spent big money and are very happy. I don't even count yet because I am only $425 deep.

SSE 4 2SS - your not even a GMS customer other than purchasing the ball bearing turbo upgrades for what is really only $1200. Which buy the way means he got you a full warranty of $1000 each for your broken turbos. Seems like he did his job - No?
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