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Old 06-02-2013, 12:51 PM   #35
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HP+ pads have are 1,000 degree pads. The Camaro is a big fast automobile. 1,000 pad is OK for an autocross, but not for a road course. A 1,000 degree pad will be operating at the upper edge or above the upper range. Pad failure is never good, especially on track.
Never buy a brake pad for road course use that does not clearly state the temperature range. NEVER.

Here is a ink to temperature rated Hawk pads.

www.hawkperformance.com/motorsports/

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The larger pad and clamping area of a 6 pot caliper offers an improvement in actual distance and also in the consistency of stopping power when running at extreme loads on a road course. As mentioned earlier in the thread the variation in the size of the pistons produces even clamping across a larger pad. The strength of the caliper has a direct impact on stopping power. The better the design and manufacture of the caliper the stronger it will be. A full on NASCAR two pot setup is vastly superior to any production car brake.



Ducts are quite important as well. You have all seen pictures of glowing red hot rotors. The typical track pads have a max temp of 1200 degrees or less. The highest heat range pads are 2000 degrees. This chart is not specifically for brakes. It is a steel temperature by color chart.





Brown Red is 1100 Fahrenheit! You can check your brake rotor temp with Temperature Indicating Brake Paint. It is available here: https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pr...asp?RecID=4974

The ventilation design of any rotor is a significant factor in rotor temperatures on track. Assuming Racing Brake has the best design available, they will still run cooler with brake ducts fitted. The faster you go, the harder you brake the more heat you will generate. Calipers, rotors, pads and ducts are all essential for optimal performance.
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Old 06-02-2013, 01:44 PM   #36
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HP+ pads have are 1,000 degree pads. The Camaro is a big fast automobile. 1,000 pad is OK for an autocross, but not for a road course. A 1,000 degree pad will be operating at the upper edge or above the upper range. Pad failure is never good, especially on track.
Never buy a brake pad for road course use that does not clearly state the temperature range. NEVER.

Here is a ink to temperature rated Hawk pads.

www.hawkperformance.com/motorsports/
So Pete, would this mean that say if my HPS pads were exposed to roughly 1,221+ degrees Fahrenheit that they'd still be usable? Or no?
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HP+ pads have are 1,000 degree pads. The Camaro is a big fast automobile. 1,000 pad is OK for an autocross, but not for a road course. A 1,000 degree pad will be operating at the upper edge or above the upper range. Pad failure is never good, especially on track.
Never buy a brake pad for road course use that does not clearly state the temperature range. NEVER.

Here is a ink to temperature rated Hawk pads.

www.hawkperformance.com/motorsports/
Thanks for the link.

All I can say is that if the HP+ is considered a low torque level pad, every OE pad that works with iron rotors and even Hawk's own HPS must be off the chart on the low end.


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Old 06-02-2013, 05:28 PM   #38
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So Pete, would this mean that say if my HPS pads were exposed to roughly 1,221+ degrees Fahrenheit that they'd still be usable? Or no?
If you have exceeded the operating temperature range for the pad compound the binder that holds the pad material together is most likely weakened. I wouldn't drive on them. I have had pads fail on the track. I have been very fortunate. I was able to safely leave the course. There are only three things that keep you from disaster on a road course.

1. The Driver's Good Judgement
2. Good Tires
3. Good brakes.
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If you have exceeded the operating temperature range for the pad compound the binder that holds the pad material together is most likely weakened. I wouldn't drive on them. I have had pads fail on the track. I have been very fortunate. I was able to safely leave the course. There are only three things that keep you from disaster on a road course.

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2. Good Tires
3. Good brakes.
Got it. So my pads are ruined.

Any chance the rotors are still usable?
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