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Old 05-22-2013, 10:27 PM   #51
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I wanna go FAST!! A trip to Gingerman and CamaroCross will be totally awesome!! I gotta see what I can do to make this trip happen!
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:40 PM   #52
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I've never attended an event like this, heck I've never had my car on anything but the street. Would it be worth attending with my stock suspension and tires/wheels? I have plenty of power with my current mods, but haven't done any suspension work just yet. Sounds fun, just wouldn't want to embarass myself.
You can bring ANY make or model of car to a road course and have obscene amounts of fun. There is a bit of vehicle prep work. This is a basic list.

1. Change your engine oil and filter.
2. Unless your Camaro is brand new, at minimum bleed your brakes. The preference is to flush out the old fluid and replace it with new fluid. If you expect to run hard upgrade your brake fluid to a higher temperature range than stock.
3. Check your brake pads. You don't want to start a track day with less than 60% of pad material.
4. Check your tires. You'll need more than a Lincoln's head of tread.
5. Check your wheels for any type of rim damage on the inside and outside of the rims.
6. Check your nuts. Loose nuts ruin track days. Lay a wrench on every nut and bolt in the driveline, suspension and brakes to make certain they are all tight.
7. Empty your car. You should not enter the track with anything but an empty interior (including storage areas) and an empty trunk.
8. Remove your floor mats. Remember I said empty.

The organizers will tell you if there are loaner helmets available and if you are required to wear long pants and long sleeves on track. My suggestion is to get a SNELL SA HELMET of your own. Your brain is YOU. Your helmet is your BRAIN BUCKET. Take good care of BOTH.

You will NEVER be embarrassed driving ANYTHING on a track day. Fly in and bring a Chevy Spark rental. Take my word for it, you'll have fun. A track day is NOT a race. No one cares how fast you drive. The goals are as follows.

1. BE SAFE
2. BE SAFE
3. BE SAFE
4. Have Fun
5. BE SAFE

Everyone will arrive at the track with different driving skill levels. It doesn't matter. You'll be grouped with drivers of similar skill levels. If you are a professional race car driver you'll learn something new at the track day. If you have never run a track day you'll learn so much your head will be spinning. With each lap you want to get more comfortable and more precise in your driving lines. You are striving for the perfect lap. You'll be striving a long long time As you hit your marks and learn the course you will get faster even though the drive seems to slow down.

There are countless video from Gingerman. You'll find quite a few on our YouTube channel. Watch them to help learn the track. Study the track map so you know it backwards and forwards BEFORE you go. BE SAFE. Have Fun.



This is Danny Popp at Gingerman. Don't even think of driving like him. He has more seat time than you can imagine, but he is fun to watch.



John Buttermore driving the PUSA Camaro. Watch his line, but don't expect to beat his times John is running hot laps and cool down laps. Just like Danny, when he is on a hot lap it is a hot lap.

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Old 05-23-2013, 08:52 AM   #53
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:37 AM   #54
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Me too! First time doing a Camarocross! Looking forward to it!
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:31 AM   #55
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I've never attended an event like this, heck I've never had my car on anything but the street. Would it be worth attending with my stock suspension and tires/wheels? I have plenty of power with my current mods, but haven't done any suspension work just yet. Sounds fun, just wouldn't want to embarass myself.
I'll be going pretty slow around the track considering it will be a newborn from the factory. I'm sure I'll be babying the piss out of it.
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:58 AM   #56
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I'll be going pretty slow around the track considering it will be a newborn from the factory. I'm sure I'll be babying the piss out of it.
Spare the rod and spoil the child.

When I built my first hot rod engine in high school I had help from one of my father's friends. When we completed the job we took it for a test drive. After we verified there were no leaks, double checked the timing and re-torqued some bolts it was time to see if we did it right. We warmed all the fluids as measured by old school 'mechanical' gauges and headed to a deserted stretch of highway for the TEST. Idle at a dead stop to red line straight through the gears! Then a cool down at 50 for a minute. Drop a gear and pound through to red line in each gear. Cool down. Back to just under red line and hold it, bang shift to just under redline and hold it. We did this for 30 minutes and then drove back to my home garage. He told me my new engine was bullet proof unless I over revved it. If it was going to break, it would already be broken. We changed the oil and filter with subsequent changes at 500 mil intervals for the first 3,000 miles. I sold that car with 130K on that engine

Taking a brand new car to the track requires just a bit of extra care. Bedding your brakes at the track is a great way to warm the lubricating fluids in your new car. After the cool down, in your next session use the first three laps to warm them back up. Your new car is now ready to go all out or as fast as all out is with your comfort level at the track. Run three hard laps. Keep your on on the oil and water temp. Back off no matter what they read. Don't push it. Run a cool down lap or two. Switch to cool down laps IMMEDIATELY if you see the temps getting too high at any time.

5th Gens are BUILT. They don't melt in the rain. They are durable on the track. There is no need to baby the BULLY you own.
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Old 05-23-2013, 02:59 PM   #57
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Doc let me just interject and say that I really wish that you could make it to this event. You have no idea how much your build journal has inspired me on my own build. Before I even bought my car i knew that I wanted to turn it into a corner carver. Lo and behold, you were already doing everything I had planned and more.

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Blue Angel is what Tannhauser wants to be when it grows up.

Alright enough sucking up form me.

I think I'll go back to lurking for another year or so. See you all at Gingerman!
Believe me, if it wasn't 10 hours a day for 6 days driving to get there and back, I would love to be there and drive with you guys.

Well thank you very much for your kind words and I'm glad my project thread was useful for you; that's exactly why I created it.

You're going to have a blast at Gingerman, and especially if it's an all-Camaro5 event!
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:53 PM   #58
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Old 05-23-2013, 04:43 PM   #59
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It's the Holiday Inn Express that has the CGI preferred rate not Comfort Suites! I just made my reservations!
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:17 PM   #60
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Cool videos but I think we will run the new course with the new turn 10. Its actually more fun and does increase the track length a bit too. I cant wait.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:59 PM   #61
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Cool videos but I think we will run the new course with the new turn 10. Its actually more fun and does increase the track length a bit too. I cant wait.
If I have any input on the event and I don't, I would prefer the group run the old course the with shorter back straight. The shorter back straight is easier on the brakes. As technical as Gingerman is, very few drivers will carry the speed from the longer back straight though turn 11 or for that matter from the shorter straight on the old course.

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nooooooooooooooooooooo so far. have fun...melt brakes burn brakes!
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:33 PM   #63
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It's a solid "maybe" here........Maybe somebody *cough* JusticePete *cough* could help convince my wife to let me have a little more fun with the Camaro.......
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It's a solid "maybe" here........Maybe somebody *cough* JusticePete *cough* could help convince my wife to let me have a little more fun with the Camaro.......
Tell her it is a charity event. She doesn't have to know the beneficiary is driving
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:21 PM   #65
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Wow I really wish this a little closer and I didn't have to work that weekend. Nevermind, my second child is due on June 25th, so can't leave that early. Please set up one of these closer to the east coast, say at NJMP.

These HPDE events are amazing. I did 2 events last year with IMG racing with my SS and it was awesome.
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Old 05-24-2013, 02:51 PM   #66
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Guys - I understand there was possibly some confusion with the hotels. I made a mistake in communicating group-rate hotels. I've just now updated all information in my posts...and I'll repeat it here for good measure. Sorry about that!


HOTELS

A special group rate has been established for participants in CGI's events...please contact the hotel below for reservations! Just mention that you're "driving with CGI" to get the special rate.

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Old 05-24-2013, 03:01 PM   #67
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Am I missing something? You WERE called Dragoneye at some point right?
Yep - that's what my username used to be. All it took was a little piece of paper in the lobby of our Host hotel at the Camaro 5 Fest to change all that...

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I've never attended an event like this, heck I've never had my car on anything but the street. Would it be worth attending with my stock suspension and tires/wheels? I have plenty of power with my current mods, but haven't done any suspension work just yet. Sounds fun, just wouldn't want to embarass myself.
Do it!! No embarrassment among friends.

Besides...there's a first time for everything right? Best get your feet wet with other Camaro owners...you won't be the only rookie there - and that's the point! To get you guys hooked on this sport!

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I wanna go FAST!! A trip to Gingerman and CamaroCross will be totally awesome!! I gotta see what I can do to make this trip happen!
Should I add your name to the list?

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I'll be going pretty slow around the track considering it will be a newborn from the factory. I'm sure I'll be babying the piss out of it.
Pete's advice is sound. Plus....just drive a lot before you get there. You'll be fine!

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It's the Holiday Inn Express that has the CGI preferred rate not Comfort Suites! I just made my reservations!
Thanks, Mike - just updated everything. My apologies for the confusion.

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You're going to have a blast at Gingerman, and especially if it's an all-Camaro5 event!
Wish you could be there!
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Old 05-24-2013, 09:08 PM   #68
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A couple of questions... I've never done something like this, but this seems like a great opportunity.

-Is the instruction provided to the Novice groups included in the registration cost?
-How does the instruction work - does somebody ride with you and provide instruction, or will you have group instruction and then go out on your own to see what you can do?
-Will the event be open to other vehicles outside of 5th gens?
-Passengers allowed?

I'm probably going to come, but just want to know how this stuff typically goes.

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A couple of questions... I've never done something like this, but this seems like a great opportunity.

-Is the instruction provided to the Novice groups included in the registration cost?
-How does the instruction work - does somebody ride with you and provide instruction, or will you have group instruction and then go out on your own to see what you can do?
-Will the event be open to other vehicles outside of 5th gens?
-Passengers allowed?

I'm probably going to come, but just want to know how this stuff typically goes.

Thanks!
Post #1 has most of the info you need. Also you can click on the novice link for more info at CGI's website. A novice is $185 which includes the instructor and is mandatory. There will be other vehicles out there but CGI is reserving the first slots for Camaro5! I didn't see anything about having a passenger but you can contact CGI to find out! Hope to see you there! This is my first event of this type too!
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:23 PM   #70
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I'm in - just registered. Hopefully I don't embarrass myself too much
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:06 PM   #71
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Old 06-02-2013, 05:43 PM   #73
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If I can manage the time off work... I may consider getting in on this...
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Old 06-02-2013, 08:29 PM   #74
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Registered. I'm really looking forward to this. For those in
The novice group I think we will have an instructor ride with us-
I hope . It's the best way to get comfortable with the
Course. Marticus24 maybe we can follow each other over there.

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Spare the rod and spoil the child.

When I built my first hot rod engine in high school I had help from one of my father's friends. When we completed the job we took it for a test drive. After we verified there were no leaks, double checked the timing and re-torqued some bolts it was time to see if we did it right. We warmed all the fluids as measured by old school 'mechanical' gauges and headed to a deserted stretch of highway for the TEST. Idle at a dead stop to red line straight through the gears! Then a cool down at 50 for a minute. Drop a gear and pound through to red line in each gear. Cool down. Back to just under red line and hold it, bang shift to just under redline and hold it. We did this for 30 minutes and then drove back to my home garage. He told me my new engine was bullet proof unless I over revved it. If it was going to break, it would already be broken. We changed the oil and filter with subsequent changes at 500 mil intervals for the first 3,000 miles. I sold that car with 130K on that engine

Taking a brand new car to the track requires just a bit of extra care. Bedding your brakes at the track is a great way to warm the lubricating fluids in your new car. After the cool down, in your next session use the first three laps to warm them back up. Your new car is now ready to go all out or as fast as all out is with your comfort level at the track. Run three hard laps. Keep your on on the oil and water temp. Back off no matter what they read. Don't push it. Run a cool down lap or two. Switch to cool down laps IMMEDIATELY if you see the temps getting too high at any time.

5th Gens are BUILT. They don't melt in the rain. They are durable on the track. There is no need to baby the BULLY you own.
This is by far the most inspirational post I've read so far on this forum. Thanks JusticePete, thanks Camaro5 and thanks Becky!
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