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Old 06-05-2013, 11:31 AM   #69
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How? Theyre coming out with an SS 4 dr. That leads me to believe theyre not going to produce SS models. Though, I'd imagine they'll have one for a 6th gen. I think they discontinue camaros afterwards.(meaning 6th gen)If they use an LT1 in an "SS" camaro fro 6th gen, will they detune it? If so, it'll be no more HP than the SS of today though it'll be a bit faster considering the weight reduction. But that also means the HP will begin to drop in unless theyre going to turbo it or intall S/Cs in them. Naturally aspirated, I see the HP rating drop.
No SS Camaro?...lol...C'mon man...That would be an epic blunder...The 6thGen LT-1 V-8's and S/C ZL1's are gonna be all time hp, lighter weight beasts...That's why I think they'll have to hold off on a 6thGen Z/28 to figure out what powerplant they can use that will be appropriate for the Z/28's purpose...

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No SS Camaro?...lol...C'mon man...That would be an epic blunder...The 6thGen LT-1 V-8's and S/C ZL1's are gonna be all time hp, lighter weight beasts...That's why I think they'll have to hold off on a 6thGen Z/28 to figure out what powerplant they can use that will be appropriate for the Z/28's purpose...
There wont be a 6th gen ZL-1. It was only made one in '69 and now for 5th gens. I dont see a 6th gen ZL-1 being made at all. THe 6th gen Z-28 will be held off but guaranteed to be made. I do believe there will be a 6th gen SS to add the LT-1 in. Afterwards? I see SS going away. The Z-28s purpose unless installed with an LS7 in 6th gen, will be lessened of purpose considering that if not for that engine; there wont be any competition for 5th gen Z vs 6th gen. THe 5th gen Z/28 will be the be all end all of track monster chevrolets.
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There wont be a 6th gen ZL-1. It was only made one in '69 and now for 5th gens. I dont see a 6th gen ZL-1 being made at all. THe 6th gen Z-28 will be held off but guaranteed to be made. I do believe there will be a 6th gen SS to add the LT-1 in. Afterwards? I see SS going away. The Z-28s purpose unless installed with an LS7 in 6th gen, will be lessened of purpose considering that if not for that engine; there wont be any competition for 5th gen Z vs 6th gen. THe 5th gen Z/28 will be the be all end all of track monster chevrolets.
That doesn't make any sense. The 1969 ZL1 powered Camaros were special order COPO cars. They only built 69 of them. The 5th gen ZL1 is not a special order car, has been built for more than one year and is not limited.

As long as Ford builds a GT500, Chevy needs the ZL1.

The LS7 is dead after the 5th gen. Any 6th gen Z/28 will be LT powered. I don't get why that is so hard to understand.
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There wont be a 6th gen ZL-1. It was only made one in '69 and now for 5th gens. I dont see a 6th gen ZL-1 being made at all. THe 6th gen Z-28 will be held off but guaranteed to be made. I do believe there will be a 6th gen SS to add the LT-1 in. Afterwards? I see SS going away. The Z-28s purpose unless installed with an LS7 in 6th gen, will be lessened of purpose considering that if not for that engine; there wont be any competition for 5th gen Z vs 6th gen. THe 5th gen Z/28 will be the be all end all of track monster chevrolets.
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That doesn't make any sense. The 1969 ZL1 powered Camaros were special order COPO cars. They only built 69 of them. The 5th gen ZL1 is not a special order car, has been built for more than one year and is not limited.

As long as Ford builds a GT500, Chevy needs the ZL1.

The LS7 is dead after the 5th gen. Any 6th gen Z/28 will be LT powered. I don't get why that is so hard to understand.
It's "all" based on beating the competition and making money. There are rumors of a LT1 based 427 for the Vette. If this happens it'll be in a 6Gen Z/28.
And Bhobbs is correct as long as there is a GT500 there'll be a ZL1. Bottom line; if it sells, why would you not produce it?
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That doesn't make any sense. The 1969 ZL1 powered Camaros were special order COPO cars. They only built 69 of them. The 5th gen ZL1 is not a special order car, has been built for more than one year and is not limited.

As long as Ford builds a GT500, Chevy needs the ZL1.

The LS7 is dead after the 5th gen. Any 6th gen Z/28 will be LT powered. I don't get why that is so hard to understand.
So an SS and a Z/28 will both be powered by an LT-1? That makes no sense at all. Might as well call it a 1LE.
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So an SS and a Z/28 will both be powered by an LT-1? That makes no sense at all. Might as well call it a 1LE.
You believe the LT1 will be the only engine GM produces for all Camaro, CTS, Corvette and any other models that use the GM V8?
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....Slash plays with Guns N Roses, give it up on the Z28 and it's relevance, it's meaning is no different than headlight redesign, tailight revisions, or models changing architecture....sorry but sometimes the mindless minutia goes overboard. Was it bolted on? Was it glued on with dual sided tape? Was it a decal?
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....Slash plays with Guns N Roses, give it up on the Z28 and it's relevance, it's meaning is no different than headlight redesign, tailight revisions, or models changing architecture....sorry but sometimes the mindless minutia goes overboard. Was it bolted on? Was it glued on with dual sided tape? Was it a decal?
There's enough of a difference for Fbodfather to bring it up.
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There's enough of a difference for Fbodfather to bring it up.
The obvious. A one line statement about the / being dropped. We get it, especially those of us who were around then and endured the changes over time. Some of the trivial discussion here ranges from the sublime to the rediculous. Carry on.
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....Slash plays with Guns N Roses, give it up on the Z28 and it's relevance, it's meaning is no different than headlight redesign, tailight revisions, or models changing architecture....sorry but sometimes the mindless minutia goes overboard. Was it bolted on? Was it glued on with dual sided tape? Was it a decal?
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You believe the LT1 will be the only engine GM produces for all Camaro, CTS, Corvette and any other models that use the GM V8?
No I dont. but as of now, (gen V engines) its THE only engine worth installing into a camaro.
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No I dont. but as of now, (gen V engines) its THE only engine worth installing into a camaro.
That's right now. The 6th gen Camaro is a couple years out and the Z/28 would be a couple years after that so GM has plenty of time to develop new engines.
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That's right now. The 6th gen Camaro is a couple years out and the Z/28 would be a couple years after that so GM has plenty of time to develop new engines.
If it looks as good or better than a 5th gen with 550 naturally aspirated HP and a track beast from hell with a price tag of $10000, Im getting me 4 or 5 of them lmao
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I hate to bring this thread back from the dead, but its cold snowy and dead at work so I am haha.

My question still has not been answered. I see everybody talking about how the 14 Z/28 gets back to the racing heritage of the 67-69 cars.

Fbod father does not really state anything about it going from Z/28 to Z28 until 1977 and mostly from then on the purists that the 3rd and 4th gen cars weren't worthy of the Z/28 badge. That I understand, but about the 70 Z?



What about the 70 Z28? It had no slash Did the badge change on purpose bc it wasn't "the same" or is the 70 car kind of like lost in the middle?
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I hate to bring this thread back from the dead, but its cold snowy and dead at work so I am haha.

My question still has not been answered. I see everybody talking about how the 14 Z/28 gets back to the racing heritage of the 67-69 cars.

Fbod father does not really state anything about it going from Z/28 to Z28 until 1977 and mostly from then on the purists that the 3rd and 4th gen cars weren't worthy of the Z/28 badge. That I understand, but about the 70 Z?



What about the 70 Z28? It had no slash Did the badge change on purpose bc it wasn't "the same" or is the 70 car kind of like lost in the middle?
Personally working in the engineering dept of a larger company than GM, i would strongly bet the change from Z/28 to Z28 in 1970 was purely that when they restyled the 2nd gen they thought the new badge without the "/" gave the look they wanted and that was that and now in 2014 it is back to the "/" as it is a great marketing play to tie back to the heritage of the 1st gen styling that the 5th gen is based around

Z28 is the method of the engineering to factory configuration code... Z/28 or Z28 on the car from beginning to now is branding, marketing, etc to sell cars.

I applaud GM for all the performance they have put into the 5th gen including the new "Z/28". I like all Camaros but like everyone because of my personal tastes i like certain years better than others. I have seven 3rd gens (6 camaros / 1 trans am) including one with a LS3/TVS2300 conversion i did in which i have more in it than a new '14 Z/28... that is what i like so that is what i collect and do, personally the 5th gen is just too big to me, but that is me and again takes nothing away from what GM has done in terms of performance offering for the 5th gen and i appreciate anyone who gets one

So with all that being said in the end GM wants to sell cars to make a profit and fortunately for us, one of the segments they feel is profitable is the muscle/pony car segment... Remember that in 1978 the 2nd gens had a model year production of 272,631 Camaros and nearly 200,000 firebirds, in 1984 model year production of the 3rd gen was 261,591 and another 130,000 or so firebirds... sure everyone knows those cars didn't have great power options, no car did during that time, ever drive a 1984 vette with a cross fire engine? it was still a hit in '84 just like the camaro when the new 3rd gens showed up in '82... it was what they had to work with and they did a great job making / selling pony cars people wanted obviously which is what they are in business for
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