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Old 04-23-2013, 01:50 PM   #26
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Just because you can afford a ZL1 or a GT500, it does not mean you have the ability to drive one. Becareful out there. Everytime there is a new one of these wrecks posted I put the photo as the screen saver on my computer to remind me that on those rare opportunitys I get to drive mine that it just takes an instant to screw up in something this powerful. After personally witnessing a SuperSnake get destroyed in three seconds , yes there is a video, I have a great understanding of how quick things can go wrong. I personally am careful about where I unleash my camaro.

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Old 04-23-2013, 01:54 PM   #27
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WOW a good reminder to drive safe.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:04 PM   #28
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well to be honest, this car is not any near as wild as a ZR1... I mean its going to have a hard time with a LS3 Corvette... so I can see why GM skipped the driving school(though I do think its needed on the Zo6, lol)... you can get killed in a Cruze as easy as you can a ZL1... you know, pinning the throttle and losing control quickly and ditching it or something, that is where you can say a person should have had more driving skill... but this crash was at a high rate of speed, driving at those speeds on public roads, once again, you can do that in a Cruze... basically, you can't fix stupid, not even with a driving school
I think that a Z06 would have a hard time vs. the ZL1, as the Camaro will outrun every Z06 that I have read tests of. That is on the track, it has a good bit more horses. It is the ZR1 that would outrun the ZL1
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:14 PM   #29
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I can careless what happened to the car... Hope the person driving it made it another day to live, kinda sad to see shit like this, especially when you don't know who it is or if u know someone that has experience this, and didn't make it. Don't mean to sound like the drama queen but I've lost a family member to a similar situation and until this day not knowing how it happened, but never leaves my mind. Always remember, materialistic things come and go or can be replaced, people can't be.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:23 PM   #30
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Wow is all I can say! RIP to the driver.
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:13 PM   #31
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Old 04-23-2013, 04:15 PM   #32
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:15 PM   #33
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where can the video be seen?
it used to be on our camaro club of the rockies website, however we are on Facebook now under camaro club of the rockies. I just looked and can't find it, however it lives on youtube, just not sure whos account. I sent an email to find out. I have a still photo on my photobucket account that I will post later today.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:49 PM   #34
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You must own one judging by your expertise. If not then common sense would tell you that the handling/speed is not as a Cruze. The tires alone on the ZL1 on dangerous to drive on in cold temps. If your going to compare then start with your ride comparing that to a Cruze. Now THAT my friend would be a situation where you couldn't fix stupid. ZL1 is pretty damn wild but then again you own one, right?

I do own a nitrous fed LS1 car that i'm pretty sure will give a ZL1 more than it wants... the SS is my daily driver




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I think that a Z06 would have a hard time vs. the ZL1, as the Camaro will outrun every Z06 that I have read tests of. That is on the track, it has a good bit more horses. It is the ZR1 that would outrun the ZL1
no a C6 Zo6 will run low 11s off the showroom floor(killing the ZL1 in the straight line) and beat it even worse around a road course(not much slower than a ZR1 around the ring for instance)
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:52 PM   #35
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I think that a Z06 would have a hard time vs. the ZL1, as the Camaro will outrun every Z06 that I have read tests of. That is on the track, it has a good bit more horses. It is the ZR1 that would outrun the ZL1
No way a ZL1 is going to hang with a Z06. Not even close. Barely hangs with the GS. The small HP advantage is nowhere near enough to overcome the close to 1000lb weight diff.
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I think that a Z06 would have a hard time vs. the ZL1, as the Camaro will outrun every Z06 that I have read tests of. That is on the track, it has a good bit more horses. It is the ZR1 that would outrun the ZL1
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:14 AM   #37
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You can't be serious can you?
Does your Chevelle really have an LS6? If so, is it #'s matching? Mad respect if so. My '69 has the M-22 "Rock Crusher" in it. Nothing is more satisfying than listening to a 454 lope, and the gear wind of the M-22
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Does your Chevelle really have an LS6? If so, is it #'s matching? Mad respect if so. My '69 has the M-22 "Rock Crusher" in it. Nothing is more satisfying than listening to a 454 lope, and the gear wind of the M-22
Yes #s matching 2 build sheets. Gotta love gear whine! !
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All of 1,350 miles.
Pretty sure the 1,500 mile break-in period does not refer to that kind of breakage.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:19 PM   #40
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Pretty sure the 1,500 mile break-in period does not refer to that kind of breakage.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:22 PM   #41
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I do own a nitrous fed LS1 car that i'm pretty sure will give a ZL1 more than it wants... the SS is my daily driver
no a C6 Zo6 will run low 11s off the showroom floor(killing the ZL1 in the straight line) and beat it even worse around a road course(not much slower than a ZR1 around the ring for instance)
What does you owning a LS1 with nitrous have to do with the price of tea in china? I could careless about what your track times are and if you can beat a ZL1 & ZR1. You just proved my point in my original post.

Fact of the matter is the ZL1 isn't to be taken lightly, period. For someone who isn't use to power its dangerous. The ZL1 is not a Chevrolet Sonic, Ford Fiesta, or a Miata.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:39 PM   #42
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No way a ZL1 is going to hang with a Z06. Not even close. Barely hangs with the GS. The small HP advantage is nowhere near enough to overcome the close to 1000lb weight diff.


I just recently watched a new zo6 run multiple 8.35's in the 1/8, and in my stock zed I ran a 7.88 my very first try. Now with just 2 g's I can run in the 7.5's and with practice and a good track I should be able to hit the 7.40's
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:48 PM   #43
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I just recently watched a new zo6 run multiple 8.35's in the 1/8, and in my stock zed I ran a 7.88 my very first try. Now with just 2 g's I can run in the 7.5's and with practice and a good track I should be able to hit the 7.40's

Then that Z06 needs a driver mod. If you're basing an opinion that the ZL1 can manhandle a C6Z off those times hang on to your hat.

A C6Z in a good driver's hands will destroy a ZL1, stock vs stock.

Not hating, it's just true. 75 HP will not overcome half a ton of weight and the aerodynamics of a brick.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:47 PM   #44
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What does you owning a LS1 with nitrous have to do with the price of tea in china? I could careless about what your track times are and if you can beat a ZL1 & ZR1. You just proved my point in my original post.

Fact of the matter is the ZL1 isn't to be taken lightly, period. For someone who isn't use to power its dangerous. The ZL1 is not a Chevrolet Sonic, Ford Fiesta, or a Miata.

I was just saying I don't think a low 12 second car merits a driving lesson from GM... I love the ZL1 but if the Zo6 comes with no driving school lesson, pretty sure they could skip it on the ZL1 as well, I have not driven a ZL1, not even a test drive, I have driven a family members Zo6 a couple of times(though just around the block and only one spirited drive, lol) and they are scary fast even bone stock like his
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:35 PM   #46
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Makes me glad that I have owned the cars that I have. I've owned a drag prepped 64 Plymouth Fury that due to skinnies on the front and high HP made this car a handfull to handle. My 69 supercharged Vette was a dream to drive. It had old school handling though and you had to think ahead and manage speed and breaking accordingly. Both my 76 280Z and 2010 370Z where handling cars due to modified suspensions and limited HP. My ZL1 has great handling and impressive HP. I now have 580 RWHP and would really appreciate some professional driving lessons. Was going to go to Watkins Glen this weekend for those but the school was full.
GREW UP IN UPSTATE NY AND WOULD GLADLY TAKE DRIVING LESSONS BUT AM IN COLORADO. TOOK LESSONS ON MY HARLEY AND WOULD GLA DLY DO SAME ON ZL1
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Old 06-06-2013, 05:23 PM   #48
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Honestly paper racing these cars have no bearing on real life. Any high HP rear drive car can be a handful.

I have seen 13 sec ZR1 1/4 mile passes. I does not mean the car is not fast. It means tire spin is a bitch. There are ZL1s running 11 sec passes stock and also ones running 13 sec passes.

The truth is after a certain amount of power in a specific chassis the issue is traction. The ZL1 makes far more power than the average car and traction is an issue. Turn off the nannies and slow roll one though a turn at 20 mile per hour then floor it. It could very well become one of these pictures. The car will do 150+ miles per hour in less than a mile. Drive like that on the street and have someone pull out in front of you. Those 6 pistons will not stop the massive crash.

Weight makes the 1/4 slower but does not remove the fact that the car has 580 HP that two tires are trying to deliver to the pavement.

I personally have downshifted to 3rd from 5th at 45 mph in PTM 4 and had the car spin the tires then go side ways. That was on a dry day, clean road and the car pointed straight.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:28 PM   #49
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I'm going to tell you guys how it goes. Chevy doesn't give the ZR1 drivers anything. A certain amount of money is factored into the price for a driving school. Matter of fact, because everything is based on percentages there is Chevy profit built in there too. So the ZR1 guys are paying for it, or were anyway. I'm sure none of them complained. So you can fork out your own dough and go to a school. Unfortunately last I looked, and its been a minute, there wasn't a school using ZL1's. So you could find a place to use your own car, use SS' s, or go big and go to a ZR1 school.

Or maybe there is a Miata school we can all go to, we'll each two cars and use them as roller skates.
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