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Old 06-10-2013, 04:29 PM   #726
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There are good days and bad days. Good weeks, bad weeks, months, years...

Chevrolet releases the ZL1 with a much improved sub-frame bushes, but leaves room for Pedders EP1200 inserts.

Chevrolet releases the ZL1 with CTS-V front calipers, which is coincidentally the same front brakes Pedders has been using since 2009.

Chevrolet releases the 1LE with a solid 27mm front sway bar, which is coincidentally the same size front sway Pedders has been using since 2009.

Chevrolet invites me to the debut of the Z/28 with 305/30/19s which is coincidentally the same tire size Pedders has been using since 2009.

Then Tbone posts an article that says strut tower bars don't show measurable improvements when measured on the most sophisticated test equipment available, which is coincidentally the same thing Pedders has been saying about the 5th Gen Camaro since 2009.



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Old 06-10-2013, 04:39 PM   #727
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There are good days and bad days. Good weeks, bad weeks, months, years...

Chevrolet releases the ZL1 with a much improved sub-frame bushes, but leaves room for Pedders EP1200 inserts.

Chevrolet releases the ZL1 with CTS-V front calipers, which is coincidentally the same front brakes Pedders has been using since 2009.

Chevrolet releases the 1LE with a solid 27mm front sway bar, which is coincidentally the same size front sway Pedders has been using since 2009.

Chevrolet invites me to the debut of the Z/28 with 305/30/19s which is coincidentally the same tire size Pedders has been using since 2009.

Then Tbone posts an article that says strut tower bars don't show measurable improvements when measured on the most sophisticated test equipment available, which is coincidentally the same thing Pedders has been saying about the 5th Gen Camaro since 2009.



Did you really need an article to know that you were right about the strut tower brace? lol
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:57 PM   #728
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:35 AM   #729
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Soooooo... How'd the weekend go?
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:59 AM   #730
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Old 06-24-2013, 11:31 AM   #731
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OK.

Bruce broke his shiny new 1LE. The car was glued to the track and Bruce was hard on it. He came off a transition so hard the right rear shaft CV and rear toe link failed. Bending a toe link at Road America is no shock. Mulching a CV at the same exact time is.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:03 PM   #732
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There were a few on track incidence that caused the event to run late. I missed my flight so the updates are being written at the gates on my way home today.

Danny Popp was terrific in the L/28. We tried out a few new things. Some worked. Some didn't. We lost a lot of time braking early to compensate. It really slowed us down. We ran the second fastest lap time on the road course. We'll try to do better the next time out.

What happened to Bruce would have hurt most drivers. With year of seat time Bruce calmly gathered the car and moved safely off track. Well done Bruce. It is a great reminder. Be careful out there.
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Old 06-24-2013, 03:47 PM   #733
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Wow...that's some serious G forces there.
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Old 06-24-2013, 06:17 PM   #734
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When Bruce tears it down we hope to learn more. I am not aware of any other simultaneously CV and Toe Link failures. Road America is fast and rough. It could be we were at the limits of both or one caused the other to fail. Loss of control could be caused by a radical change in toe or loss of power to one wheel coming out of a turn. That the CV clunking occurred at the same instant... hmmm
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Old 06-24-2013, 06:51 PM   #735
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What does the toe link look like?

Did that axle totally bind up when the CV joint went out?



Both failing at the same time as a coincidence is too far fetched.
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Old 06-24-2013, 07:16 PM   #736
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The toe link is deformed.
The shaft clunks when the wheel rotates.

Using all of the track including the turtle back may have had one or both rear wheels off the track. Coming down on one wheel could cause a dual failure. We have not torn it down so we are not sure the clunk is the CV. Is it the wheel bearing, differential, bent shaft? Our track side evaluation is the CV.

Did they occur together? We have front facing video that shows the shudder at the same time loss of control occurred. Bruce knows first hand the car was perfect, glued to the track right up to the loss of control and simultaneous clunking. We know toe links don't clunk. The clunk is in a rotating assembly.

We'll tear it down and see what we see.
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:06 PM   #737
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The toe link is deformed.
The shaft clunks when the wheel rotates.

Using all of the track including the turtle back may have had one or both rear wheels off the track. Coming down on one wheel could cause a dual failure. We have not torn it down so we are not sure the clunk is the CV. Is it the wheel bearing, differential, bent shaft? Our track side evaluation is the CV.

Did they occur together? We have front facing video that shows the shudder at the same time loss of control occurred. Bruce knows first hand the car was perfect, glued to the track right up to the loss of control and simultaneous clunking. We know toe links don't clunk. The clunk is in a rotating assembly.

We'll tear it down and see what we see.
Looking forward to learning something... Sorry about the failure...
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Looking forward to learning something... Sorry about the failure...
No need to apologize. If Pete is anything like me he'll see this as a chance for improvement.
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:43 PM   #739
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No need to apologize. If Pete is anything like me he'll see this as a chance for improvement.
Two suspension guru's break the suspension... they're in hog heaven!

... I hear the Six Million Dollar Man intro playing in the background

But seriously, glad it wasn't any worse
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... I hear the Six Million Dollar Man intro playing in the background

But seriously, glad it wasn't any worse
There's nothing wrong with taking the Six Million Dollar Man approach to things.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:13 PM   #741
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If you ain't breakn you ain't rracen'.

Only six million. We may be over budget.
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:38 PM   #742
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More new 5th Gen suspension parts coming SOON.

I'll bet we are installing them the week of C5Fest at Bruce Raymond's shop. At the last FEST we had Bruce and his TEAM working late nights. They worked so late I decided they should be open 24/7 in addition to being the Dyno Shop for the FEST and my workshop.

I'm sure Bruce won't mind, but maybe we shouldn't tell him until the week of the FEST. I'll bet Bruce will run a Special C5FEST at INDY deal too. I think 15% off parts and labor should work.



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Old 07-15-2013, 07:07 PM   #743
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Stop by Bruce's shop before the FEST
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:09 PM   #745
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Can't wait for the Fest



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Can't wait for the Fest



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(..I may ...know of
a White 1LE..being built this week...)

I am sure that Gerry will be burning some late nights getting all your clients ready for the FEST. If I were getting a 1LE Fest ready I would be looking at a 1LE Permagrin package. If I were a betting man, I would bet Gerry just might have the required components ready and waiting for a white 1LE in the shop.



EP1201HD, EP6577 and 32mm Z Bar. Go to PeddersUSA.com and search 1LE Permagrin
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More new 5th Gen suspension parts coming SOON.

I'll bet we are installing them the week of C5Fest at Bruce Raymond's shop. At the last FEST we had Bruce and his TEAM working late nights. They worked so late I decided they should be open 24/7 in addition to being the Dyno Shop for the FEST and my workshop.

I'm sure Bruce won't mind, but maybe we shouldn't tell him until the week of the FEST. I'll bet Bruce will run a Special C5FEST at INDY deal too. I think 15% off parts and labor should work.



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(..I may ...know of
a White 1LE..being built this week...)

2+2=
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2+2=

yep.....


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