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Old 06-11-2013, 02:23 PM   #18
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Close, very close...no more hints other than the pictures...

Leaning towards Elite...

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Old 06-11-2013, 02:27 PM   #19
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Going to wait to see what we find out at GM Nationals......... hopefully, we can just buy the "thing" there......... and be done.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:45 PM   #20
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I have the Elite on a 2010 LS3, & Rx on 2011 1 ss/rs L99. Bought them both from JDP motorsports. To me these 2 are the top of the line. You have such a great looking car. I would get 1 powder coated color of car,W/braided lines. If you want 2 see it mounted & lines check my build.
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OK, enough reading...just ordered the Elite can from JDP Motorsports (Elite Oil Catch Can for the V6), on sale for $155 plus free shipping. Went with black. Looking forward to getting it on before the car even hits 2K miles.
Hey, thanks for the order! Please let me know if you have any questions!
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I have the Elite on a 2010 LS3, & Rx on 2011 1 ss/rs L99. Bought them both from JDP motorsports. To me these 2 are the top of the line. You have such a great looking car. I would get 1 powder coated color of car,W/braided lines. If you want 2 see it mounted & lines check my build.
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Old 06-11-2013, 03:58 PM   #22
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I have the Elite on a 2010 LS3, & Rx on 2011 1 ss/rs L99. Bought them both from JDP motorsports. To me these 2 are the top of the line. You have such a great looking car. I would get 1 powder coated color of car,W/braided lines. If you want 2 see it mounted & lines check my build.
Thanks........... that was my point. Wanted great looking under the "hood" but so many say about the Elite being easy to empty. Since you have both how hard is it to empty the RX. Also, with the RX/Elite can you get show mounting hardware????? I've waited this long I want the right one!!!!
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:09 PM   #23
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that's just it. they're all the same. buy the one you like the best, or fits your budget the best. don't make a mountain out of a mole hill, lol. it's just not that serious. there is no HP to be gained with one of these cans btw. it's merely to keep your currently clean running engine, running clean. a proper baffle under the fresh air intake side of the pcv system would make this catch can basically irrelevant.
Any oil ingestion will cause detonation which the PCM will pull timing so power is lost there....so yes, the avg can will not result in more power, but one that traps all the oil makes a big enough difference to result in an avg of 1-3 MPG (small truck/van fleets buy these just to save fuel....not to extend engine life).

Also, you only want fuel and air in the combustion chamber.....oil does not burn well. In fact it wont burn at all unless heated to a high temp and or pressure, and then it is a very incomplete burn resulting in less energy released per explosive event (combustion) so that equates to less power and poor fuel economy.

When tuning a big boost engine we can make 20-30 more RWHP stopping the oil ingestion with the right can (99% are not worth using). On a NA car it may be 3-4 rwhp, but it hurts all the way around if your getting any engine oil ingestion via the intake air charge.

Read this page and look at all the pictures of the cans dissected, the test results for each, and why they do or don't http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...+needed&page=3

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catch can installation resulted in 3mpg gain? i'd like to see this data please. my opinion on it so far is an overpriced gimic marketed to unknowledgable sheeple. i believe there is benefit to it, but $180 (normal price) is a little outrageous. i could buy a lot of seafoam and build a pretty extravagant baffle for that.
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Thanks........... that was my point. Wanted great looking under the "hood" but so many say about the Elite being easy to empty. Since you have both how hard is it to empty the RX. Also, with the RX/Elite can you get show mounting hardware????? I've waited this long I want the right one!!!!
2 your answer yes. Like I said I'm not trying 2 get you just 2 look at my build. But with my set up You can see exactly how it looks. Pics. before & after installed.
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Old 06-11-2013, 04:29 PM   #26
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This is by FAR the best looking. It's not specifically made for our cars, but it doesn't matter. Just get the right fittings for it. You'd want a 1/2" NPT to -6AN adapter if you want to use AN fittings, which would be the nicest. You can also take the top off, but it's just a bit more involved than the RX. This is the one I've been planning to do but haven't yet.

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Here is a link to a study by the University of Maine's Engineering department:
http://umaine.edu/met/capstone-proje...arator-team-2/

And a ton of other examples. When ever you are stopping the oil ingestion, the engine does not experience the detonation caused by it, and the ECU/PCM will keep the timing advance at optimum running more efficiently. It is impossible if driven the same not to.

Just ask anyone with a SS that has run 87 octaine in it and the detonation has caused the PCM to default to the low octaine tables. app 4-5% less power and fuel economy.

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Old 06-11-2013, 10:10 PM   #28
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catch can installation resulted in 3mpg gain? i'd like to see this data please. my opinion on it so far is an overpriced gimic marketed to unknowledgable sheeple. i believe there is benefit to it, but $180 (normal price) is a little outrageous. i could buy a lot of seafoam and build a pretty extravagant baffle for that.
Can you explain in detail how in the combustion process it would not? Just go into the start to finish of the fuel/air mixture and what takes place in the combustion chamber...then how adding a contaminant that does not burn well would have no effect on both power and efficiency.

Were all ears....(and your degrees, experience, and qualifications that would support this explanation).

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Old 06-11-2013, 10:17 PM   #29
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OMG.............. I know who the he!! you are!!!!!! That's not fair......... I've been "here" forever!!!!!!
LOL, I knew you get it eventually Almost 10 posts!

Love all the info, Elite catch can on the way.
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:50 PM   #30
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Here is a link to a study by the University of Maine's Engineering department:
http://umaine.edu/met/capstone-proje...arator-team-2/
did you read this link? i appreciate that these guys did a study on it, but there was no data on that page, nothing that proved anything. it was just a summary of some theories.

i 100% believe that the catch cans work. after thinking about it a little more, i believe you are right about oil vapor going back into combustion chamber causing possible detonation situations. of course anytime the pcm picks up detonation, it immediately pulls timing and goes fat to try to get it under control. i'm aware of this also. what is the ppm concentration of oil vapor that's causing this though? seems that if that much oil was getting in, that there would be other things going way wrong. i feel like the engineers at gm, ford, chrysler, toyota, and every other major manufacturer would have addressed these problems if they were that detrimental, especially since mpg is the name of the game these days.

i will say, that in a forced induction situation, a catch can should be a priority.

my beef is with how they are marketed. it has to be one of the most talked about topics on the forum....i mean, these things should be pretty simple and cost in the 60-80 dollar range. 42 draft designs sells one for $250 and it doesn't even come with fittings! you seem to have a good head on your shoulders, and you may not be doing it, but there is blatant aggressive marketing tactics by some of the sponsors on here selling these over priced tanks to these unsuspecting check book hotrodders.

of course, it's a free market (which i believe in 100%) so maybe i should just commend you guys.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:51 AM   #31
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Just go to the link...the 42 draft is good, but still lets oil pass through, and every manufacturer is fighting this and has been for years. GM on the LS v8 alone has made over 20 different design chages all the way to the latest LT1 DI V8 with " special oil separating valve cover system to reduce oil ingestion".

From the first move to the LS6 valley from the valve covers with poor baffels, but no manufacturer can add a separating system that will trap and stop all without adding the step of needing to drain it as the concentrates of the compounds cant be returned to the engine oil, and the trend is away from maintenance, not adding more.


But good dialog. If you search here and read the links to the pictures of the cans dissected you can see all the differences so no way to make one less expensive than the RX that can separate and trap all the oil.

Read the link to the pictures and go through that whole thread (long I know, but your being civil and seem to want to understand it).

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So another interesting question is if you have a catch can, (even if you don't), should you also have an oil breather cap?
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So another interesting question is if you have a catch can, (even if you don't), should you also have an oil breather cap?
I think so. It allows fresh air into the crank case. However, you may have to get a your car tuned as this extra ventilation may allow un-metered air into the intake, and cause the computer to become confused. Confused computers will say "CEL".

Not sure if I got all the verbiage and articulated the answer correctly. But hope I am close. Tracy can probably confirm. I think it was he that informed me of that info, about fresh air circulating into the motor.
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