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Old 06-14-2013, 01:41 PM   #18
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No laws that are enforced at least.

Look into some waterless wash smarbrit, you only need a couple of gallons of water and no detergent to wash your car, this will also not produce swirls.

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I've got waterless wash and a full detailing kit I bought from Zaino's. My concern was moreso with the Dawn detergent and wax removal.

I've also got an A-Hole neighbour who would love to rat me out if I did wash my car in the driveway. The car wash is only a couple of blocks away, so not a big deal.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:13 PM   #19
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I should clarify, I usually clay after I've rinsed and leave the car wet, but use my (precious) detail spay as the lube for the clay. Once clay'd, I wash again to get rid any clay and DS residue, then dry. On subsequent clayings, it seems to go faster, but I haven't experienced a huge break down of clay either.

All that said, there are probably 100 different ways to do each part of our full detail technique. What you're comfortable with performing that produces your own level of satisfactory results is really all that matters hobbyist or full time detialer. The only difference is if you're a pro-jock your customers will let you know if it's satisfactory or not.
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:20 PM   #20
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I Learned that you can clay with soapy water a few people rejected the idea. Actually was shown this by the creator of the Ammo detailing product line.

A lot of people on here think they are the greatest detailers in the world lol its hard for everyone to share their oppinion when everyone has their own perfect way of detailing.
Can you show me where even one person rejected this idea? By saying that it wouldn't work or was wrong?
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:55 PM   #21
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Again, soap and water should be used only when you run out of QD or dedicated clay lube. Hell, don't take my word for it... go outside, clay your car using exclusively soap and water and if it doesn't start breaking up and cracking within an hour or so, then I guess you got different luck than I did.
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:00 PM   #22
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Again, soap and water should be used only when you run out of QD or dedicated clay lube. Hell, don't take my word for it... go outside, clay your car using exclusively soap and water and if it doesn't start breaking up and cracking within an hour or so, then I guess you got different luck than I did.
respectfully, it never happens when I have used dawn with Griots clay...never tried any others...
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:05 PM   #23
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respectfully, it never happens when I have used dawn with Griots clay...never tried any others...
Never used Griots clay, so maybe that's it.
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Old 06-15-2013, 11:39 PM   #24
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If he does this on the rarest of cars, I will take his word and do it on the camaro...
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Old 06-16-2013, 12:28 AM   #25
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Its still not. It WILL work, but its not the best idea IMO

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Right here....... its not the best idea


WHY?????????????????????


Pointles responses like "it is not the best idea"

A brilllo pad will work too, but its not the best idea.

See what I did here.
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Old 06-16-2013, 12:31 AM   #26
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Right here....... its not the best idea


WHY?????????????????????


Pointles responses like "it is not the best idea"

A brilllo pad will work too, but its not the best idea.

See what I did here.
Its not the best idea because there are tons of reports that it will degrade clay faster. Maybe you and glen are special, but most other people will agree that it does. But it will work and not cause paint damage.

Certainly not bashing. I even put 'in my opinion.'

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:37 AM   #27
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read the link in post #10 and the vid just put up.......It's a lot more than me and bulls being "special"

sheesh....I don't see it as a "bad idea', I see it as a choice...
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Its not the best idea because there are tons of reports that it will degrade clay faster. Maybe you and glen are special, but most other people will agree that it does. But it will work and not cause paint damage.

Certainly not bashing. I even put 'in my opinion.'

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You asked.......

And has it not come to your attention that maybe you and your fellow peers who clay are degraded are the special ones?

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:42 AM   #29
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I guess your master, who created the ammo detailing line is also special since he reccomends that method over buying his own brand of clay lube........ you were raving about him in your other threads buddy.

Maybe you have surpassed him in detailing ability........
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sigh, let's clear something up. Honestly "it's not the best idea" was probably the way to put it when it comes to soap and clay. The thing that I don't understand is how certain people come and ask simple detailing questions and then the next day are acting like they are better than people like Barry Theal, Kevin. Brown etc..,

Detailing is a learning process there is no one person that has all the knowledge or techniques.

So let's take this thread for instance and break it down a little then through some curve balls at it.

Can you use soap with clay? Yes, but read this entire post.
Will soap degrade clay? Yes again continue reading.

OK and we just saw a video of Larry using soapy water while he clayed. Now do we know what shampoo/soap he used? Nope

So let's say for the sake of things he used dawn as we want to save money right. OK now this brings up the main question.

What ratio of soap and water do we use? Why does it matter you may ask, for three very simple reasons.

1. If you have two much dawn it will degrade the clay to where it will start leaving bits of clay all over your car and quite possible just start crumbling in your hands.

2. Too much dawn will create two much lube. Why is this a problem? Too much lube makes the surface more slippery causing the the clay to be less effective because it isn't having enough bite to get the crap out.

3. Not enough dawn would be like clay baring with water? What happens here is that you do not have enough lube and the clay is picking up the contaminates but when you move the clay bar around on the paint you are scratching and creating swirls.

One last issue you'll have with soapy water is after a clay you have to do a complete rinse down to get rid of the soapy residue. With detail spray it is just a wipe off.

This is just some of the issues you have with claying your car with soapy water. So can you do it yes, but be sure you understand the consequences before you do it.

.....and to think claying your car is one of the easiest step to detailing your car.

Lastly try not to bash people who get up and learn this info by trial and error and a lot of research. There is more to it than reading a label or watching a video. Plus it isn't about a hobby detailer or a professional one. It should be the communication and the enjoyment you are having with the car, because at the end it doesn't matter if Joe blow did it in 45 minutes or the crew of minions did it in 3 days it is about being able to take a step back and not having any regrets, being happy with the outcome, and finally saying you enjoyed every minute of it.
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Agreed. I use a da nanoscrub so the clay breaking down does not affect me.

You are dead on with the amount of dawn used, I think this might be a big factor in how well it works. Great thinking.

Also it seems to me most detailers wash their car after claying to get the residue off even after using qd.

And you guys know more than me for sure, but the proffesional very well known detailer is easier to trust than some people on a detailing section in camaro5. Not a knock against you guys as you have helped me learn so so much. Especially camarodreams (trust him) his threads are extremely helpful, especially the product recommendation thread. I went through every product on there and ordered a few things.

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sigh, let's clear something up. Honestly "it's not the best idea" was probably the way to put it when it comes to soap and clay. The thing that I don't understand is how certain people come and ask simple detailing questions and then the next day are acting like they are better than people like Barry Theal, Kevin. Brown etc..,

Detailing is a learning process there is no one person that has all the knowledge or techniques.

So let's take this thread for instance and break it down a little then through some curve balls at it.

Can you use soap with clay? Yes, but read this entire post.
Will soap degrade clay? Yes again continue reading.

OK and we just saw a video of Larry using soapy water while he clayed. Now do we know what shampoo/soap he used? Nope

So let's say for the sake of things he used dawn as we want to save money right. OK now this brings up the main question.

What ratio of soap and water do we use? Why does it matter you may ask, for three very simple reasons.

1. If you have two much dawn it will degrade the clay to where it will start leaving bits of clay all over your car and quite possible just start crumbling in your hands.

2. Too much dawn will create two much lube. Why is this a problem? Too much lube makes the surface more slippery causing the the clay to be less effective because it isn't having enough bite to get the crap out.

3. Not enough dawn would be like clay baring with water? What happens here is that you do not have enough lube and the clay is picking up the contaminates but when you move the clay bar around on the paint you are scratching and creating swirls.

One last issue you'll have with soapy water is after a clay you have to do a complete rinse down to get rid of the soapy residue. With detail spray it is just a wipe off.

This is just some of the issues you have with claying your car with soapy water. So can you do it yes, but be sure you understand the consequences before you do it.

.....and to think claying your car is one of the easiest step to detailing your car.

Lastly try not to bash people who get up and learn this info by trial and error and a lot of research. There is more to it than reading a label or watching a video. Plus it isn't about a hobby detailer or a professional one. It should be the communication and the enjoyment you are having with the car, because at the end it doesn't matter if Joe blow did it in 45 minutes or the crew of minions did it in 3 days it is about being able to take a step back and not having any regrets, being happy with the outcome, and finally saying you enjoyed every minute of it.
You're welcome for the video! Lol, JK. But yeah, people need to chill and just take things for what they are. Not a big deal really. Take and give. Don't be so adamant about your detailing ways that when you ask questions you don't accept the answers you are getting. Not talking about anybody, just speaking in general. I mean we are on the internet, some people will ALWAYS disagree with you. Again, not talking about any one, just speaking in general. Anyways there are always Debbie downers and all of that but, yep. My rant is done.
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