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Old 06-16-2013, 10:41 PM   #26
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I still Take my camaro to same dealer. Have you ever made a mistake before?
Of course I have.

But I've never rotated tires that are different sizes because that is just downright stupid
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:53 PM   #27
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Of course I have.

But I've never rotated tires that are different sizes because that is just downright stupid
Then by your thinking you are an idiot. How many cars has staggered wheels like the Camaro. Do you think the kids that do oil changes tire rotation have any training at it. They probably was just taught how to use the tire machines. To the person doing job it just another car like the Cruze and Caddilac fords toyotas. I worked at the GM poletown plant. I do not what size tires or if it was a v8. Hell I do not even know how to work the radio. The only thing I could tell you is the paint code because that what I did paint or paint repair.
Now if this was a mechanic like the one at Chuck Nash Chevrolet I still do not think he is a Idiot but my Camaro would not go their again.
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Old 06-16-2013, 10:55 PM   #28
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Sorry that happened to you.
Dealer is totally wrong.

I never have understood rotating tires.
Bunch of BS. Like 3,000 mile oil changes.

You have steers and drives.
Replace the sets in pairs.
Who imagines the left wears out quicker or slower than the right?
Unless you are driving on an oval and seconds in a pit stop mean something.

Do you ever see a race crew rotating tires?

We all make rights and lefts.
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:02 PM   #29
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Then by your thinking you are an idiot. How many cars has staggered wheels like the Camaro. Do you think the kids that do oil changes tire rotation have any training at it. They probably was just taught how to use the tire machines. To the person doing job it just another car like the Cruze and Caddilac fords toyotas. I worked at the GM poletown plant. I do not what size tires or if it was a v8. Hell I do not even know how to work the radio. The only thing I could tell you is the paint code because that what I did paint or paint repair
I would like to think that the people we are paying to work on our cars have been trained to do the job they have been tasked with correctly.

I would also like to think that they can read the numbers on the side of the tires that clearly state the size, and that they would have enough common sense to know that 275 and 245 are different.

But what do I know, I'm just an idiot
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Old 06-16-2013, 11:22 PM   #30
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To my knowledge, the only Camaro that takes full regular tire rotations is the LS. That is the one I have, and I get them rotated every 5000 miles along with the oil change. All four wheels and tires are the same size. No trim level above that should have anything rotated.
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I would like to think that the people we are paying to work on our cars have been trained to do the job they have been tasked with correctly.

I would also like to think that they can read the numbers on the side of the tires that clearly state the size, and that they would have enough common sense to know that 275 and 245 are different.

But what do I know, I'm just an idiot
How do know if they was told a Camaro had staggered wheels. They may do a hundred cars before they come to a RS or SS Camaro. The only time I was ever worried about tire sizes was when I needed to buy tires. I just kept the tire pressure to the correct pressure.
When I lived in Mich I did my own oil changes and tire rotations and Probably would have put rotated them with out looking at the sizes
The only way I find out I had staggered wheel was when I joined Camaro5, I was goggling stuff for the radio and saw the site for Camaro5.
No you not a idiot
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To my knowledge, the only Camaro that takes full regular tire rotations is the LS. That is the one I have, and I get them rotated every 5000 miles along with the oil change. All four wheels and tires are the same size. No trim level above that should have anything rotated.
I have a 2012 1LT and they have all the same tires on all 4 corners. BF Goodrich 245/55-18 all season radials all 4 corners.

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Old 06-17-2013, 02:29 AM   #33
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You dont rotate Camaro tires with RS pkg or V8. PERIOD.
Not so. See your manual. They just have to be rotated properly: side-to-side, rather than the traditional way. If our factory RS tires were "directional" tires (which would have an arrow on the sidewall) you would be correct. However, we do not have "directional" tires.

I'm pretty sure your dealer did this during service. I never let dealers to tire service of any kind.
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To my knowledge, the only Camaro that takes full regular tire rotations is the LS. That is the one I have, and I get them rotated every 5000 miles along with the oil change. All four wheels and tires are the same size. No trim level above that should have anything rotated.
Again... not so. Read your manual.
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I never have understood rotating tires.
Bunch of BS. Like 3,000 mile oil changes.
I rotate my truck tires every 5K miles, when I get the oil changed. Last set of tires on my Ram1500 went over 70,000 miles and still had decent tread.

Did the same with Honda Civic. Got 80,000+ miles out of last tires. I intend to rotate my SS tires at every oil change - maximize tread-life. These tires ain't cheap!
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Yep, one person makes one mistake and you should NEVER use that dealer again.
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Not so. See your manual. They just have to be rotated properly: side-to-side, rather than the traditional way. If our factory RS tires were "directional" tires (which would have an arrow on the sidewall) you would be correct. However, we do not have "directional" tires.

I'm pretty sure your dealer did this during service. I never let dealers to tire service of any kind.
Rotating side to side is a waste. That's why I said what I did. Side to side wear should be consistent with each other unless your car is out of whack. No need to rotate side to side.
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Also, I agree... dealer is an idiot. Yes, mistakes may happen but if you can't get this right, you have no business servicing cars. Pay attention to what you're doing. Also, the service advisor who suggested this should be questioned.

I'm sure the OP was charged for this service. Hope he gets history back.
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Again... not so. Read your manual.
From the factory, you are correct.

However, many people put directional tires on after the factory ones are through.

And at that point, reading the first line in the manual would indicate not to rotate the tires.
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Last month I saw a black RS Camaro with inferno orange stripes driving along. Given that I also own a RS Camaro (although was not driving it at the time) I decided to check the vehicle out from the rear. Something looked slightly out of balance or not symmetrical. I realized at that moment that the 275's were both on the passenger side and the 245's were on the drivers. Obviously, snow tires had been replaced with the summer rims. I tried to bring this to the drivers attention, but they were not talking.
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It just amazes me how f*cking stupid, carelesss and incompetant many dealership are. The sad thing is that most people trust dealerships and believe that they are experts at servicing the vehicles they sell (which they should be!). The truth is that you have to watch them like a hawk and make sure they're doing what they're supposed to do. The idiot that rotated those tires needs to be fired. Who could do that without noticing the wheels are staggered?
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Interesting....Never heard of this actually happening....I would have thought that Stabilitrak warning light or whatever would have come on right away...
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Also, I agree... dealer is an idiot. Yes, mistakes may happen but if you can't get this right, you have no business servicing cars. Pay attention to what you're doing. Also, the service advisor who suggested this should be questioned.

I'm sure the OP was charged for this service. Hope he gets history back.

Oh well. I brought it in - the new service advisor looked perplexed, then showed me to her boss, who looked at my car - apologized, and told me he'll take care of it.
Its all fixed now, only took a few hours of my life, all good, lots of apologies thrown my way.
They were always nice anyway - and once in a while throws in a car wash for me.

Though I came back to the board now and realized you were right - I was charged for it back then. Oh well! how much would it have costs, buried with the rest of cost for the half year maintenance? Hope it wasnt a big chunk of it, lol. I guess I need to start learning more about my own car besides how to drive it.

Though this whole fiasco got me to create an account on this forum - good to see so many helpful people around!
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Do what other people seem to always do.

DEMAND! a brand new car as a replacement with a 1000k 100year full warranty included AND a brand new set of wheels/tires of YOUR choosing.

PLUS!
DEMAND that the offending dealer be put out of business for all eterninty including any past, present, or future relatives of anyone working at the dealership.

OR

Simply have them put the wheels/tires on the proper locations and move on.
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Who imagines the left wears out quicker or slower than the right?
Unless you are driving on an oval and seconds in a pit stop mean something.

Do you ever see a race crew rotating tires?

We all make rights and lefts.
Actually any car that is tracked should do side to side swaps to prolong tire life if the tires are not directional. You don’t see the pros doing it because they have big budgets and new tires are almost always faster. It’s not just ovals either. Most road courses are clockwise and therefore will have more right hand turns than left. One track that I go to frequently has 8 right hand turns and only two left hand turns. If you don’t swap side to side on a regular schedule you’ll cord the left side tires while right side tires still look pristine.

For cars that only see street duty side to side rotation is probably not necessary. Maybe if you regularly push it hard on exit/entrance ramps that are all in the same direction. Other than that I don’t see it. If in doubt a simple visual inspection will tell you if one side is wearing more heavily than the other. If so go ahead and swap ‘em.
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Rotating side to side is a waste. That's why I said what I did. Side to side wear should be consistent with each other unless your car is out of whack. No need to rotate side to side.
Even wearing of the tires, through proper rotation, helps keep your car from going out of whack. Properly balanced wheels/tires also contributes.
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From the factory, you are correct.

However, many people put directional tires on after the factory ones are through.

And at that point, reading the first line in the manual would indicate not to rotate the tires.
That's why I said "factory RS tires". What someone puts on after the fact is on them to know how to properly care for them.
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:36 PM   #49
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I wonder if it helped true your tires....I'm gonna run out and have mine rotated too
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i think we're being trolled...
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