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Old 06-17-2013, 04:51 PM   #43
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I have done some back to run on and off, same car same track same day. Ran about 2-3 tenths faster with the chiller. It is ALL going to depend on when your tune pulls timing. You do not gain power with cooler water with the chiller you do however keep you IATs low enough to not pull timing, cooling hot outside air does not put more oxygen in the air but it does help from detonating and keeps IAT cooler. Here was some old data I did when I first put it on and I recheck data everytime I do a new mod and the data holds true to this day. I am now at 10.5 psi and 680hp.

Here is a copy of a post I made 2 years when I first put the chiller on and I did days of testing on the road and this is the info from that dyno testing which matched all of the road testing I did. I didn't post any graphs as I was having issues with my SCT losing connections so I never turned the logger off so it was about 30 min long.

I ok well I got the data off we needed, I tried to do a graph and all that but I am tired and not gonna do it now. So the dyno sheets I emailed to myself from the shop didn't work so I will go off of memory for the numbers there.

First off the A/C does kick off at WOT but comes back on around 4500RPM(we could see a dip in the dyno sheet. So for ALL the Chiller on tests we let it chill for 5 minutes between runs and just before we went WOT we turned off the A/C. Same 5 minutes were given for cool down for Chiller OFF.

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101* AMBIENT
1st pull IAT start at 104*F end at 122*F car made 568

2nd pull IAT starts at 114*F end at 140*F car made 55? had a small amout of KR (.3)

3rd pull IAT starts at 125*F end at 145*F car made 54? had alittle more KR (.9)


Chiller ON

107* AMBIENT
1st pull IAT starts at 64*F ends at 113*F car made 56?

2nd Pull IAT starts at 66*F ends at 116*F car made 56?

3rd pull IAT starts at 66*F ends at 116*F car made 56?

Did a pulley change 3.6 to a 3.4 and went from 6psi to 7 psi and made 596 and the torque can't remember but it went up almost 50ftlbs. IAT were the same as the other runs with the chiller on.

I didn't tune for the chiller, we were pressed for time as they had 2 other cars that needed tuning and I was on the dyno most of the day doing 8-10 pulls. The tuner though we could get another 1-2 degrees of timing with IAT where they were with the chiller on but since we didn't have time to test I choose to stay where I was and be safer at the same power level. I think if your IATs are higher than 140*F you may get some HP out of this deal and be alot safer, but my car at 6-7PSI doesn't produce alot of heat.

I hope everyone is ok with the test as you can't please everyone but I did my best to keep a even playing field but temps came up as the day went on and engine coolant temps are what they are when we hit the go pedal. I will try to get some logs for the 1/4 mile but it isn't going to change any from what I have already done around here on the road and the dyno actually proved to heat up the car more than a 0-120mph run.
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Old 06-17-2013, 05:08 PM   #44
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^^^^^ thank you. It's nice to see some hard numbers. Shouldn't have to tune for this thing, it purpose is to not give back timing that is already advanced. Thanks again
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Old 06-17-2013, 05:12 PM   #45
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I would really like for this to work at the track like I hope it would. The data looks good, the video looks good and the concept seems sound, but I have no overwhelming evidence this can create a "winter like" drag racing experience in the dead of summer. I really don't race for half the year due to the heat. If I believed wholeheartedly that this was the answer, I would RUN to get this installed. I hope something eventually changes my mind.
Where are you located in FL? We have an installation special that cant be beat. I'm excited we have our first ZL1 coming in Friday!

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Old 06-17-2013, 05:37 PM   #46
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This is my take on the chiller

Depends on the tune.
A stock Camaro tunes starts to pull timing at 86F.
But when the IAT are 59F and cooler,it add's timing.
So depends on how the tune is set.

I kinda like the idea of the chiller because it would make the car more consistent.Once the supercharger gets heat soak,or your stuck at the staging lane for a long period of time. If you stage at 86F on the previous run,and the next round you end up at 120F at the starting line.
Sorry!!! you just lost the race,because it will start pulling timing as soon you hit the throttle = loose power.
Once I decide which way I go with a F/I. So far leaning toward the Whipple,it will have a chiller.
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Old 06-17-2013, 05:57 PM   #47
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The only issue I have issue keeping the refrigerant level correct. Mines works great and then it works ok. I have bought some A/C gauges and see the high side go up pretty high when in comp mode. Still trying to get it dialed in correctly again. It still cools good but not as cold as I have had it before.
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This is my take on the chiller

Depends on the tune.
A stock Camaro tunes starts to pull timing at 86F.
But when the IAT are 59F and cooler,it add's timing.
So depends on how the tune is set.

I kinda like the idea of the chiller because it would make the car more consistent.Once the supercharger gets heat soak,or your stuck at the staging lane for a long period of time. If you stage at 86F on the previous run,and the next round you end up at 120F at the starting line.
Sorry!!! you just lost the race,because it will start pulling timing as soon you hit the throttle = loose power.
Once I decide which way I go with a F/I. So far leaning toward the Whipple,it will have a chiller.
This is dead on!!! I have the chiller and have run about 40 passes with it. I can't "prove" it helps my ET. What I can prove is the consistency. I won the 2012 Atlanta LSX Challenge 12 second true street in the upper 90's ambient and won the 2012 Bristol Super Chevy 12 second true street in the upper 90's ambient. Each race was a 30 mile cruise and 3 back to back hot passes. The chiller gives me great consistency. Both tracks, all 6 passes, my ET never varied more than .05 seconds. My opinion, if you want a faster car, build it. If you want consistency, and help protect your build, chill it!
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The only issue I have issue keeping the refrigerant level correct. Mines works great and then it works ok. I have bought some A/C gauges and see the high side go up pretty high when in comp mode. Still trying to get it dialed in correctly again. It still cools good but not as cold as I have had it before.
You should bring your car in for a Free update, you were the prototype Camaro and you know the problems I had with my welder in 2011. You already had one weld fail completely and if you have to add Freon Iím sure you have a very small leak. There is no good reason for you to be adding Freon.

Jerry does all my welding now and he is 100% on the type welding needed to make all the custom fittings we use now. Also the Super Chiller is 100% O Ring connections now no pipe fittings on Freon side. You also need the updated wiring to get 100% out of Competition Mode.
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I might have to Dave I have struggled with it the last few weeks trying to get it right. It worked great before and your right about having the first set-up. You have offered enough I think I may have to set up a time to get down there and do some updates, I have seen some pics of your new stuff and it has come a long way and looks great.
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This is dead on!!! I have the chiller and have run about 40 passes with it. I can't "prove" it helps my ET. What I can prove is the consistency. I won the 2012 Atlanta LSX Challenge 12 second true street in the upper 90's ambient and won the 2012 Bristol Super Chevy 12 second true street in the upper 90's ambient. Each race was a 30 mile cruise and 3 back to back hot passes. The chiller gives me great consistency. Both tracks, all 6 passes, my ET never varied more than .05 seconds. My opinion, if you want a faster car, build it. If you want consistency, and help protect your build, chill it!
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I might have to Dave I have struggled with it the last few weeks trying to get it right. It worked great before and your right about having the first set-up. You have offered enough I think I may have to set up a time to get down there and do some updates, I have seen some pics of your new stuff and it has come a long way and looks great.
Jeremy I will see you on the 20th for your update, I did your car 6/2011! I want to make the 30% larger core and Dual Chillers available for the Camaro; I donít know if I will have time on the ZL1 coming in Friday but maybe something along these lines might work for you? Our Dual ZR1 works great and the 30% larger core is available as an option on all the other kits.

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Dave, I have your setup and love it however I have just added a Night Fury cam and an OD Cog rear drive on my maggie to keep my boost around 11psi. Due to the new blower speed I am now seeing IAT's around ambient to 10 under compared to 20-30 below ambient before latest upgrade. How would the 30% larger core help and what is involved in the upgrade? thanks again for all of your support in the past..
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[QUOTE=TrekGTO;6695046]Jeremy I will see you on the 20th for your update, I did your car 6/2011! I want to make the 30% larger core and Dual Chillers available for the Camaro; I donít know if I will have time on the ZL1 coming in Friday but maybe something along these lines might work for you? Our Dual ZR1 works great and the 30% larger core is available as an option on all the other kits.[QUOTE]

I always wanted the dual, I thought it was the best back when we first did mine but at the time everything was a trial. I think either the 30% would do good or the dual. What ever you can do, my car should be in the 10's soon as I get my slicks on.



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