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Old 06-21-2013, 02:02 AM   #76
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okay this confuses me, it will start to bend inwards at 150-160? how about the factory glass? Im asking because what was the whole deal with the 250 times stronger. Or maybe its 250 times tougher than glass but not stronger?
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250 times stronger as in it would take at least 250 times more force for the optic armor to break/crack/snap/shatter

Not referring to stiffness. The optic armor can flex when its not installed, factory glass cannot (it would break).
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:03 AM   #78
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That's good to know, thanks!



I'll count you in unless they say otherwise on the HUD. They do say it will work with their existing windows but not be as bright. Maybe they can do a HUD tint.
That does concern me about what cyber predator found out. If I can't tint it then the HUD may not work right. Need more info from optic armor
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250 times stronger as in it would take at least 250 times more force for the optic armor to break/crack/snap/shatter

Not referring to stiffness. The optic armor can flex when its not installed, factory glass cannot (it would break).
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Old 06-21-2013, 09:21 AM   #80
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I've asked Jim to have someone come in to the thread and give us the official info on the concerns that have been posted. Hopefully we'll get answers soon!
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okay this confuses me, it will start to bend inwards at 150-160? how about the factory glass? Im asking because what was the whole deal with the 250 times stronger. Or maybe its 250 times tougher than glass but not stronger?
Polycarbonate by nature is flexible and shatter resistant. You can bend it over itself and it will not break. You can also beat on it all day long with a sledgehammer and it will not break. Air has mass and 150-160mph it has alot of mass. The window will not "cave-in" at these speeds but will flex somewhat. We have customers in 10.5 outlaw cars running 200mph with our windows with no problems. So with a 3/16" formed front window unless you are routinely seeing speeds in excess of 160mph this is not an issue whatsoever. Hope this helps. thanks for your interest!

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would it be possible or even wise to go down to 1/8th all around? I know standard is 3/16 but if its stronger maybe go down to the 1/8th? i dont know
we do not recommend 1/8" on the front due to the likely hood of the window flexing in at speed, unless it is braced.

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Yeah there would be a 1/16" gap on the quarter panel windows, and I don't know if the door windows would seal properly when closed if they're 1/16" thinner than stock. But it depends on what your main use of the car is. I don't know the weight difference between the 3/16 and 1/8 optic glass; wish I did but considering how little their 3/16 glass weighs, I can't imagine it would make that much difference compared to the gap issue. If you're building basically a track-only car, then go with 3/16 front and 1/8 everything else. Otherwise it's probably better to stick with 3/16 to avoid gap issues IMO.
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:47 PM   #82
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Ok good news! Got the go-ahead from Jim to post this:

"We are going to go ahead and extend the discount to anyone who calls in and says they seen the windows on camaro 5. I noticed there are a few guys that are getting impatient, so if they are ready to buy tell them to give me a call at ext 11. Make sure they ask for Jim to get the discount! Thanks again!"

This means we can start ordering for anyone who's ready!
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I guess it would help if I put the phone number up:

Call 573-317-9066 ext 11. That's Jim's extension and tell him you're from the Camaro5 group buy.
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I just called Jim and put in my order. He said the door and quarter windows are NOT drop in; they require cutting to fit. He said any race shop that deals with race bodies will easily be able to cut, fit and install them. The front window is drop-in ready.

Once I get these here I'll weigh each piece and put that info in my project thread. I'll also find a local race shop to do the install and document how that process goes. After they remove the factory glass I'll be able to weigh those pieces so we'll have exact weights for both factory and Optic Armor glass.
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More info; these are the part numbers Jim sent me:

OA-CAM101-3DB - FRONT 3/16"
OA-CAM101-4DB - FRONT 1/4"
OA-CAM106-2DB - REAR 1/8" CLEAR
OA-CAM106-2DBT - REAR 1/8" TINTED
OA-CAM106-3DB - REAR 3/16" CLEAR
OA-CAM106-3DBT - REAR 3/16" TINTED
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add me to the list for a front glass.
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Polycarbonate by nature is flexible and shatter resistant. You can bend it over itself and it will not break. You can also beat on it all day long with a sledgehammer and it will not break. Air has mass and 150-160mph it has alot of mass. The window will not "cave-in" at these speeds but will flex somewhat. We have customers in 10.5 outlaw cars running 200mph with our windows with no problems. So with a 3/16" formed front window unless you are routinely seeing speeds in excess of 160mph this is not an issue whatsoever. Hope this helps. thanks for your interest!


we do not recommend 1/8" on the front due to the likely hood of the window flexing in at speed, unless it is braced.


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Old 06-21-2013, 09:24 PM   #88
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Got some more info for everyone about tinting. Jim said they can do 35% tinting which would be legal in 33 states but not the other 17; California and New York being 2 of them. He's looking into finding out if they can get a 70% tint that will work.

Here's the chart of legal tint percentages (as of 2010) for each state:

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The factory tint from GM is 70% and 12 of the states including California and New York require no less than that to be legal, so check the chart before you order to make sure 35% is legal in your state. Hopefully he'll be able to find a solution for 70% in which case all 50 states will be covered.
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Doc, did you buy everything but the rear glass? I'm interested but not for the whole package, probably just front and side windows. What size did you order for the door windows, keeping in mind the weather sealing fit and all?

Edit: and just to clarify, HUD will still work just not be as bright?
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Doc, did you buy everything but the rear glass? I'm interested but not for the whole package, probably just front and side windows. What size did you order for the door windows, keeping in mind the weather sealing fit and all?

Edit: and just to clarify, HUD will still work just not be as bright?
Yes he bough everything but the rear. All at 3/16" - to fit flush with the factory weather sealing. Yes HUD works, just not as bright.
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Doc, did you buy everything but the rear glass? I'm interested but not for the whole package, probably just front and side windows. What size did you order for the door windows, keeping in mind the weather sealing fit and all?

Edit: and just to clarify, HUD will still work just not be as bright?
Yes I ordered everything but the rear glass. I ordered the 3/16 so everything would fit and seal correctly like the factory glass. Yes HUD will still work but not be as bright.

I'll add you to the list and you can tell Jim which windows you want. The group buy is for any single piece; it doesn't have to be everything. If somebody just wants to buy the windshield that counts.
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Awesome, and the prices on that spread sheet are still accurate?
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What about a sunroof drop in?
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UPDATE. Just got an email from Jim and they cannot do a 70% tint so this means for those who live in one of the 12 states (like me in California) that don't allow legal tinting below 70% there isn't a street-legal solution. As a result I'm canceling my order as I don't want to go to the expense of ordering these, getting the factory glass removed and installing Optic Armor windows only to have a cop pull me over because 35% is too dark and then I have to pay to have the Optic glass removed and replaced with the factory glass to get the ticket taken care of. Wish I lived in a state that allowed 35% tint. :(

He also said the price of the side-windows had increased since they had put that chart on their website that I included in my original post. I've asked him for an update on the current prices for those who live in states (33 of them to be exact) that allow tinting at 35% so anyone who wants these will know what the exact prices are; the original list in my first post is not accurate now according to Jim. I'll post the updated pricing as soon as I get it.
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Doc, does Cali has a "tint waiver form"? I know VA has one. Might be away around the tint law.
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Hey doc, i thought your eyes were really sensitive to the harmfully bright sun, making it hard for you to see while driving LOL
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UPDATE. Just got an email from Jim and they cannot do a 70% tint so this means for those who live in one of the 12 states (like me in California) that don't allow legal tinting below 70% there isn't a street-legal solution. As a result I'm canceling my order as I don't want to go to the expense of ordering these, getting the factory glass removed and installing Optic Armor windows only to have a cop pull me over because 35% is too dark and then I have to pay to have the Optic glass removed and replaced with the factory glass to get the ticket taken care of. Wish I lived in a state that allowed 35% tint. :(

He also said the price of the side-windows had increased since they had put that chart on their website that I included in my original post. I've asked him for an update on the current prices for those who live in states (33 of them to be exact) that allow tinting at 35% so anyone who wants these will know what the exact prices are; the original list in my first post is not accurate now according to Jim. I'll post the updated pricing as soon as I get it.
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Guess who's your best friend? Come on, guess.

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26708.5. (a) No person shall place, install, affix, or apply any transparent material upon the windshield, or side or rear windows, of any motor vehicle if the material alters the color or reduces the light transmittance of the windshield or side or rear windows, except as provided in subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of Section 26708.

(b) Tinted safety glass may be installed in a vehicle if (1) the glass complies with motor vehicle safety standards of the United States Department of Transportation for safety glazing materials, and (2) the glass is installed in a location permitted by those standards for the particular type of glass used.
The other argument is that the Optic Armor glass won't be tinted with an "aftermarket" tint

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The main requirements for legal window tinting in California are:

The windshield and front driver's side and passenger's side windows cannot receive any aftermarket tinting.
If the rear window of a vehicle is tinted, the vehicle must have outside rear view mirrors on both sides.
Technically - if Optic Armor ships you the glass already tinted, then it's not aftermarket and thereby not affected by the CA tint law(s).


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Hey doc, i thought your eyes were really sensitive to the harmfully bright sun, making it hard for you to see while driving LOL
CA doesn't have a "medical tint exemption" unfortunately. But I did solve Doc's problem another way
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