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Old 06-21-2013, 08:58 PM   #26
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I've got cts-v brakes on order with rb brake rotors. Looking to possibly upgrade to to zl1 swaybars next and then get corner balanced. Would love to see Pete's shop!!! I really want to get my car set up to pull 1.3 G's...I don't know where to go from here I've bought everything I can think of to get set up per the book.
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:43 PM   #27
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I've got cts-v brakes on order with rb brake rotors. Looking to possibly upgrade to to zl1 swaybars next and then get corner balanced. Would love to see Pete's shop!!! I really want to get my car set up to pull 1.3 G's...I don't know where to go from here I've bought everything I can think of to get set up per the book.
Its not actually Pete's shop down in Fredericksberg, its the shop he uses and is 20 miles from Pedders. American Muffler and Brake. The rear ZL1 bar made a big difference over my Pedders FE3 32 mm bar. I love the camber plates BTW, takes about 2 minutes and Im at -2.7 deg camber.

I need to order the CTS-V brakes but am going with the CTS-V rotors per Pete's recommendation.

I've hit 1.46 Gs (measured on my Torque App) on a short radius 90 deg turn into my neighborhood. No push at all and only the slightest bit of looseness. The Pilot Super Sports and nice but not quite as grippy as my RE-11 Potenzas. Hopefully these will last longer.
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Old 06-22-2013, 09:49 PM   #28
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Wow! nice Gs....

Aren't you worried about popping your side air bags? It's happened on a couple guys that road race. I think he said it was $3k to get them replaced at a dealer and he had to work hard to replace them on his own for $1.4k.

I pulled my air bag fuses at Eagles Canyon just in case. I would rather have piece of mind that they won't deploy. Just don't send your car off the track where you might actually need them.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:39 PM   #29
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Air bag deployment is very unusual on a road course. Very unusual. I know of only one instance and the data from the black box showed an extremely high G load indicative of a pending roll over. IMO, the G sensor glitched. My cars have 1,000s of test miles under extreme loads with no deployments on road courses.

The L/28 bags deployed on an autocross with a driveshaft failure. The shaft failure was incredibly violent with the resultant pounding tripping bag deployment.

If you watch the two videos of 5th Gen bag deployment, you'll see they occur under very aggressive tight maneuvers. IMO the computer was reading data that indicated a potential roll over. I don't consider these deployments accidental.

$3,000 is nothing in relation to a build like Bulls. A brush with a barrier, blown motor, tranny failure, and more easily equal or exceed a bag deployment repair. $3,000 is nothing compared to the injuries you may incur in a roll over or barrier road course incident. Three drivers died on track this week. Running road courses is a dangerous motorsport activity and sometimes expensive.

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I met a speaker years ago named Charlie Plumb. He spoke about the people that packed his physical parachute as well as his character, moral and spiritual parachutes. Many people had prepared him when he ejected from his jet over Viet Nam. In prison camp he met more parachute packers that helped him survive. Excuse me while I pack a small piece of your parachute. Please put your fuse back in.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:39 AM   #30
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keeping my air bags on...if they deploy good for them and probably will be thankful they do.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:18 PM   #31
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keeping my air bags on...if they deploy good for them and probably will be thankful they do.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:20 PM   #32
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Air bag deployment is very unusual on a road course. Very unusual. I know of only one instance and the data from the black box showed an extremely high G load indicative of a pending roll over. IMO, the G sensor glitched. My cars have 1,000s of test miles under extreme loads with no deployments on road courses.

The L/28 bags deployed on an autocross with a driveshaft failure. The shaft failure was incredibly violent with the resultant pounding tripping bag deployment.

If you watch the two videos of 5th Gen bag deployment, you'll see they occur under very aggressive tight maneuvers. IMO the computer was reading data that indicated a potential roll over. I don't consider these deployments accidental.

$3,000 is nothing in relation to a build like Bulls. A brush with a barrier, blown motor, tranny failure, and more easily equal or exceed a bag deployment repair. $3,000 is nothing compared to the injuries you may incur in a roll over or barrier road course incident. Three drivers died on track this week. Running road courses is a dangerous motorsport activity and sometimes expensive.

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I met a speaker years ago named Charlie Plumb. He spoke about the people that packed his physical parachute as well as his character, moral and spiritual parachutes. Many people had prepared him when he ejected from his jet over Viet Nam. In prison camp he met more parachute packers that helped him survive. Excuse me while I pack a small piece of your parachute. Please put your fuse back in.

Pete, where did you get the idea that i removed my airbag fuse! thats like flying with my ejection seat pins still in
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Pete, where did you get the idea that i removed my airbag fuse! thats like flying with my ejection seat pins still in
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Old 06-25-2013, 05:14 PM   #34
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Yeah....I'm definitely not recommending people pull their fuses but I did after hearing a about a couple that had their side bags deploy. I didn't even know that it happened on the L/28 either.

I know user named bannonm on here had his deploy during a normal track use. He did say with stock wheels/tires he was okay but once he made that upgrade he got enough Gs in a turn to deploy the side bags. There was also a V6 car that had the same thing happen. I can't find that thread now but I did read it. Then there was the most notorious one of the guy doing doughnuts in his and they deployed.

With all that I decided I wanted to pull mine just to make sure they didn't deploy especially since they are so expensive and are not covered under warranty. Now that I've been out on a track I know that I would have to really push my car I doubt I would do it again. Right now my wheels/tires are definitely a weak point.
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Old 06-25-2013, 05:46 PM   #35
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Yeah....I'm definitely not recommending people pull their fuses but I did after hearing a about a couple that had their side bags deploy. I didn't even know that it happened on the L/28 either.

I know user named bannonm on here had his deploy during a normal track use. He did say with stock wheels/tires he was okay but once he made that upgrade he got enough Gs in a turn to deploy the side bags. There was also a V6 car that had the same thing happen. I can't find that thread now but I did read it. Then there was the most notorious one of the guy doing doughnuts in his and they deployed.

With all that I decided I wanted to pull mine just to make sure they didn't deploy especially since they are so expensive and are not covered under warranty. Now that I've been out on a track I know that I would have to really push my car I doubt I would do it again. Right now my wheels/tires are definitely a weak point.
bannonm is the man that gathered the black box data and posted it. The highest G forces we have recorded on all of our track cars is 1.384 Gs. I can't recall his number, but it was considerably higher. So much higher I think the on board sensor glitched. It would have been nice to have a data logger in the vehicle.
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