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Old 06-18-2013, 02:06 PM   #1
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2013 Camaro SS 1LE vs 2013 370Z

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Old 06-18-2013, 03:05 PM   #2
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The 370Z is quite impressive all things considered. It corners well and accelerates really well. But the SS is too much for it. In stock and modified trim. The Z comes from the factory almost peaked out. The factory exhaust manifolds are basically ST headers. And the intake is basically a cold air intake. Their cold air intakes cost way more than ours and offer little gains. And the same with aftermarket headers. They have nowhere near the available upgrades we have. Given the same mods, the SS will increase the gap it already has in the quarter mile. And a roll-on will totally destroy them. The Z can only compete stock vs stock in the quarter mile. And it still loses.
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Old 06-21-2013, 01:58 PM   #3
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Why straight line race two cars intended for corners?

Take them to a big power road course and then to a parking lot tight cone course and see the differences.
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To me, it's pretty stupid to compare these two. The 1LE is in a different class of performance all together. Why has nobody compared the 1LE to the M3 with the Competition Package yet? People were going all gaa gaa for the Mustang vs. M3 comparison. The 1LE would decimate it. Best bang for the buck under $70k right now I think.
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:52 PM   #5
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To me, it's pretty stupid to compare these two. The 1LE is in a different class of performance all together. Why has nobody compared the 1LE to the M3 with the Competition Package yet? People were going all gaa gaa for the Mustang vs. M3 comparison. The 1LE would decimate it. Best bang for the buck under $70k right now I think.
I'm not so sure that the 1LE would decimate an M3 with comp pkg. M3 in the Mustang comparison was a non-comp pkg version with M/T instead of the DCT. The track was also much more conducive to the strengths of the Mustang (and the M3 still edged it out).

It would be an interesting comparison nonetheless.
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I'm not so sure that the 1LE would decimate an M3 with comp pkg. M3 in the Mustang comparison was a non-comp pkg version with M/T instead of the DCT. The track was also much more conducive to the strengths of the Mustang (and the M3 still edged it out).

It would be an interesting comparison nonetheless.
The M3 vs. GT comparison did have the competition package, but it was a m6 car. I think with all the off camber turns and tight corners, as well as crests, the better shocked/valved and sprung car with IRS would have an advantage, which when hearing RP's comments, the M3 did. It was much easier to control and felt more confident. It only beat the GT by .1 of a second. The 1LE would have no issue destroying it.
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The M3 vs. GT comparison did have the competition package, but it was a m6 car. I think with all the off camber turns and tight corners, as well as crests, the better shocked/valved and sprung car with IRS would have an advantage, which when hearing RP's comments, the M3 did. It was much easier to control and felt more confident. It only beat the GT by .1 of a second. The 1LE would have no issue destroying it.
The M3 is kind of out dated, i have one. But like the looks and luxury side plus the performance of the car.

there is nothing to crazy for a well equipped pony cars to give it a run for its money. I feel like the M cars are more for pulling puss*y if anything these days. rofl....
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M cars are more for pulling puss*y if anything these days. rofl....
lol nothing wrong with that!
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The 7at 370z's hang right with the L99s at the track no problem. Hell my 5at G35 has little issues hanging with them, you are talking about a 370z that's 400 lbs lighter then mine with 30 or so more whp and 2 more gears. You have seen how my car runs against L99's at the track, just use your imagination.



I would say a 370z 7at would take an L99 at the track with average driver in both. Tune really wakes up the Camaro though


See. A 370z is basically my car with a 75 shot(to match it's power to weigh ratio), just imagine.





I own a 400+ whp 4th gen LS1 Camaro, so don't go saying I somehow think the g35 is "fast". People just underestimate the 370z and other vq powered cars. Automatically assume the car with bigger engine will somehow be faster, just because of the extra displacement. It's like funny 2v mustang owners thinking they would beat my accord because it was 150% the displacement.

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My very first run in was with a 370 nizmo and it jumped me every time but I would reel it in. Now that I know my car I would like to meet back up with it. ......
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The 7at 370z's hang right with the L99s at the track no problem. Hell my 5at G35 has little issues hanging with them, you are talking about a 370z that's 400 lbs lighter then mine with 30 or so more whp and 2 more gears. You have seen how my car runs against L99's at the track, just use your imagination.



I would say a 370z 7at would take an L99 at the track with average driver in both. Tune really wakes up the Camaro though


See. A 370z is basically my car with a 75 shot(to match it's power to weigh ratio), just imagine.





I own a 400+ whp 4th gen LS1 Camaro, so don't go saying I somehow think the g35 is "fast". People just underestimate the 370z and other vq powered cars. Automatically assume the car with bigger engine will somehow be faster, just because of the extra displacement. It's like funny 2v mustang owners thinking they would beat my accord because it was 150% the displacement.
Youre always making this silly comparison with AUTO CAMARO vs G35/370. LS3 is a different story. Always easy to compare to the slower one heh?

Pre 2013 Auto L99 Camaro are slow. Go againsnt a LS3 next time.

And your nitrous argument is a fail; 75 shot is probably 125tq. No this 370Z engine is not making that much torque.
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The 7at 370z's hang right with the L99s at the track no problem. Hell my 5at G35 has little issues hanging with them, you are talking about a 370z that's 400 lbs lighter then mine with 30 or so more whp and 2 more gears. You have seen how my car runs against L99's at the track, just use your imagination.



I would say a 370z 7at would take an L99 at the track with average driver in both. Tune really wakes up the Camaro though


See. A 370z is basically my car with a 75 shot(to match it's power to weigh ratio), just imagine.


I own a 400+ whp 4th gen LS1 Camaro, so don't go saying I somehow think the g35 is "fast". People just underestimate the 370z and other vq powered cars. Automatically assume the car with bigger engine will somehow be faster, just because of the extra displacement. It's like funny 2v mustang owners thinking they would beat my accord because it was 150% the displacement.
2V Mustang guys didn't think they could beat your Accord because of displacement...they thought they could beat your Accord because the Accord is slow as hell. If yours was fast then it was a sleeper. And stock to stock, the 370Z can hold it's own against an SS. But they will still lose. And on a roll on the SS will destroy them pretty easily. Give them more mods and of course they will win. But with similar mods, the SS will widen the gap. In fact, the 370Z has basically no aftermarket. Even on their forums they complain that their intakes don't make any power, their headers are super expensive and super difficult to install and offer insignificant gains, their cams cost like a thousand dollars, and so on. I'll give them credit, they are fast if you go from 0-1/4 mile. But they have nowhere near the overwhelming power and torque we have.
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370z 7at's normally do low-mid 12's with intake/full exhaust and tune. That's really not too far off the pace of most 5th gens..
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370z 7at's normally do low-mid 12's with intake/full exhaust and tune. That's really not too far off the pace of most 5th gens..
That sounds like a bit of an exaggeration...
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2V Mustang guys didn't think they could beat your Accord because of displacement...they thought they could beat your Accord because the Accord is slow as hell. If yours was fast then it was a sleeper. And stock to stock, the 370Z can hold it's own against an SS. But they will still lose. And on a roll on the SS will destroy them pretty easily. Give them more mods and of course they will win. But with similar mods, the SS will widen the gap. In fact, the 370Z has basically no aftermarket. Even on their forums they complain that their intakes don't make any power, their headers are super expensive and super difficult to install and offer insignificant gains, their cams cost like a thousand dollars, and so on. I'll give them credit, they are fast if you go from 0-1/4 mile. But they have nowhere near the overwhelming power and torque we have.
Their headers cost a lot because they're high quality unlike our "inferior" OBX counterparts.
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That sounds like a bit of an exaggeration...
Not if you go to their forums and look around. There are several stock 370z's that have ran 12's... so doesn't seem that out of the question.
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Not if you go to their forums and look around. There are several stock 370z's that have ran 12's... so doesn't seem that out of the question.
By several, you mean 2, in negative DA. They aren't even cracking low 13s here fully bolted.
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By several, you mean 2, in negative DA. They aren't even cracking low 13s here fully bolted.
Are you on crack? I do mid 13's in DA of 1,000+ and I'm stock, my car weighs 400 lbs more then 370z and has 30 less hp and 1-2 less gears. They are solid 13.1-13.3 second car stock, if you saw a 6mt do 14's then they can't drive... all the auto's run that time but most auto 370z owners never track their car.

Here's a bone stock 350z manual on radials.



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Are you on crack? I do mid 13's in DA of 1,000+ and I'm stock, my car weighs 400 lbs more then 370z and has 30 less hp and 1-2 less gears. They are solid 13.1-13.3 second car stock, if you saw a 6mt do 14's then they can't drive... all the auto's run that time but most auto 370z owners never track their car.

Here's a bone stock 350z manual on radials.



Bone stock on radials... kind of contradictory, isn't it? That's an HR which isn't much slower than a 370, correct?
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Not if you go to their forums and look around. There are several stock 370z's that have ran 12's... so doesn't seem that out of the question.
I have been on their forums. If they're running high 12s stock then the SS is running mid 12s stock in the same conditions. Those cars are not impressive. And their performance numbers have been greatly inflated. For what they claim to be running in the quarter compared to what the SS claims...the SS sure does feel a hell of a lot more powerful in the drivers seat. I drove one of them after reading all the sooped up reports and I was underwhelmed. Not to mention that their mods have been shown to do nothing significant. Dude, they can't hang...
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Are you on crack? I do mid 13's in DA of 1,000+ and I'm stock, my car weighs 400 lbs more then 370z and has 30 less hp and 1-2 less gears. They are solid 13.1-13.3 second car stock, if you saw a 6mt do 14's then they can't drive... all the auto's run that time but most auto 370z owners never track their car.

Here's a bone stock 350z manual on radials.



On radials it runs a 13.4 pretty much. Wow...I'm so impressed I don't know what to do with myself. Like I said, maybe 2 have run high 12s stock, and it was in -DA and one was Cecil Country Raceway where everything runs 4/10th faster than normal. GTFO with that G35/37/350z/370z BS already. Owned 2 of them, a G35 and a G37, and while decent for a luxury car and very nice for long distance driving, they are not on the same level as an SS of any variation when it comes to performance.
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On radials it runs a 13.4 pretty much. Wow...I'm so impressed I don't know what to do with myself. Like I said, maybe 2 have run high 12s stock, and it was in -DA and one was Cecil Country Raceway where everything runs 4/10th faster than normal. GTFO with that G35/37/350z/370z BS already. Owned 2 of them, a G35 and a G37, and while decent for a luxury car and very nice for long distance driving, they are not on the same level as an SS of any variation when it comes to performance.
This was in 2500 DA at IFO(Import Faceoff), a 13.3 is more then decent for a stock 350z. That's faster then what any 5th gen Camaro SS I have seen the past 3 months run.

Then again I rarely see 5th gens run the 1/4 mile here... On an average night theres 10 or so 5.0's. The only SS last Friday ran a crap time and crashed because they floored it past the half mile marker.

Hell a few fellow members on here will attest. Even an auto ZL1 was doing 12.8-13.1 @ 111-112 mph tonight in 2800 DA. I would say driver mod but it was cutting decent 60 foots and my friend's srt8 did 13.5 @ 105 on motor and 13.1 @ 111 on a small shot of nitrous.

My friend even let me make 2 passes in his srt8 charger(intake/tune/cat delete) and I did 13.6 @ 105 mph and 13.8 @ 104 mph(first pass I had ever done in the car, wanted to play it safe).

That is to give you an idea of what cars run here in bad DA.

In 500 DA or so my friend did 13.1 @ 108 mph in his L99 with race fuel mixture, tune, intake, fuse pull mod. That is the fastest time I have ever seen from any 5th gen at the track and they have a bad rep here.
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This was in 2500 DA at IFO(Import Faceoff), a 13.3 is more then decent for a stock 350z. That's faster then what any 5th gen Camaro SS I have seen the past 3 months run.

Then again I rarely see 5th gens run the 1/4 mile here... On an average night theres 10 or so 5.0's. The only SS last Friday ran a crap time and crashed because they floored it past the half mile marker.

Hell a few fellow members on here will attest. Even an auto ZL1 was doing 12.8-13.1 @ 111-112 mph tonight in 2800 DA. I would say driver mod but it was cutting decent 60 foots and my friend's srt8 did 13.5 @ 105 on motor and 13.1 @ 111 on a small shot of nitrous.

My friend even let me make 2 passes in his srt8 charger(intake/tune/cat delete) and I did 13.6 @ 105 mph and 13.8 @ 104 mph(first pass I had ever done in the car, wanted to play it safe).

That is to give you an idea of what cars run here in bad DA.

In 500 DA or so my friend did 13.1 @ 108 mph in his L99 with race fuel mixture, tune, intake, fuse pull mod. That is the fastest time I have ever seen from any 5th gen at the track and they have a bad rep here.
Dude, those drivers would probably run even worse times in those 350Zs you're praising. We're talking about the car, not the driver. And the examples you're giving all point to the driver as the problem, not the car.
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This was in 2500 DA at IFO(Import Faceoff), a 13.3 is more then decent for a stock 350z. That's faster then what any 5th gen Camaro SS I have seen the past 3 months run.

Then again I rarely see 5th gens run the 1/4 mile here... On an average night theres 10 or so 5.0's. The only SS last Friday ran a crap time and crashed because they floored it past the half mile marker.

Hell a few fellow members on here will attest. Even an auto ZL1 was doing 12.8-13.1 @ 111-112 mph tonight in 2800 DA. I would say driver mod but it was cutting decent 60 foots and my friend's srt8 did 13.5 @ 105 on motor and 13.1 @ 111 on a small shot of nitrous.

My friend even let me make 2 passes in his srt8 charger(intake/tune/cat delete) and I did 13.6 @ 105 mph and 13.8 @ 104 mph(first pass I had ever done in the car, wanted to play it safe).

That is to give you an idea of what cars run here in bad DA.

In 500 DA or so my friend did 13.1 @ 108 mph in his L99 with race fuel mixture, tune, intake, fuse pull mod. That is the fastest time I have ever seen from any 5th gen at the track and they have a bad rep here.
13.3 on DRAG RADIALS. Show me all these 350zs and 370zs running high 12s stock, please. They are mid 13 second cars on average. I ran a 12.77@111 bone stock in 3400DA with stock 18" 235 series Pirelli all seasons and when I did that time there wasn't a single 350z that ran faster than a 13.8, and none of them were stock either.
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