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Old 06-05-2013, 05:59 PM   #183
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Sounds like your living the dream out there Yeah my Silver State race is in Sept,but speedventures is at Fontana on Nov,hopefully we can all tear up the track then.Have fun out there,i rode my bike at Road America bitchen track...crashed in Canada corner :(
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:21 AM   #184
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Sounds like your living the dream out there Yeah my Silver State race is in Sept,but speedventures is at Fontana on Nov,hopefully we can all tear up the track then.Have fun out there,i rode my bike at Road America bitchen track...crashed in Canada corner :(
Ouch, crashing is never fun...I'm watching as much video of people running Road America as I can to try and get familiar.

Depending on whether I get an invite to Optima before the Silver State, I may sign up for that one too in September, it is right after the LS Fest. Mike from Haddad Motorsports is also talking about running in the Silver State also, so you might have company at that one.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:12 PM   #185
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That would be pretty cool. This race isn't the intensity of road racing on a track,but there is just something about having the middle of nowhere all to yourself.I mean 90 miles with no one in your way,and the whole road is yours,with my speed limit of 140,it just rocks.Good luck on the Optima thing.If you are actually going to be able to make this race,make sure you PM me and i will give you the info you need.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:16 PM   #186
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Oh yeah, in the event you haven't seen this this is the start.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:45 AM   #187
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Question: What do you all think of the same tire fit on aftermarket "heavier" wheels of the same size/dimensions? Do you think it will throw off the handling not being on forged wheels?
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:49 AM   #188
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You'll decrease the control of the suspension with a heavier wheel. Look up the effects of increasing unsprung weight.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:00 AM   #189
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You'll decrease the control of the suspension with a heavier wheel. Look up the effects of increasing unsprung weight.
Im asking because I will be using the car as a DD in the cold weather months and need different wheels+tires but I want to keep everything the same size. But I won't be forking over $2500+ for the forged originals. Is it really that bad to use heavier wheels if you aren't going to ride the car crazy during the off season?
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:46 PM   #190
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In mild to moderate driving and maybe up to moderately hard, I don't think a small increase in wheel weight is going to matter at all.

Damping ratio is a square root function of mass, so increasing the unsprung mass from something like 100 lbs to 105 lbs (5 lb wheel weight increase) only affects the damping ratio by 2.5% or so. Unsprung mass is mainly tied to bump damping, and I suspect that ride quality over bumps could theoretically improve a tiny bit at the expense of the wheel 'overshooting' by some other tiny amount. Probably about the same as what OE wheels would feel/behave like after the OE shocks/struts have accumulated some miles.


FWIW, damping ratio is also a square root function of spring rate. Most aftermarket springs are substantially more than 5% stiffer than OE . . .


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Old 06-27-2013, 04:51 PM   #191
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In mild to moderate driving and maybe up to moderately hard, I don't think a small increase in wheel weight is going to matter at all.

Damping ratio is a square root function of mass, so increasing the unsprung mass from something like 100 lbs to 105 lbs (5 lb wheel weight increase) only affects the damping ratio by 2.5% or so. Unsprung mass is mainly tied to bump damping, and I suspect that ride quality over bumps could theoretically improve a tiny bit at the expense of the wheel 'overshooting' by some other tiny amount. Probably about the same as what OE wheels would feel/behave like after the OE shocks/struts have accumulated some miles.


FWIW, damping ratio is also a square root function of spring rate. Most aftermarket springs are substantially more than 5% stiffer than OE . . .


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Old 06-27-2013, 07:29 PM   #192
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Laughed about what the fact that you're too stupid to do anything but quote engineers? Like I said it's funny how much you guys put on people that designed a car like this. Everything they've done is just making up for what it should've been from day one.

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Old 06-27-2013, 08:32 PM   #193
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Im asking because I will be using the car as a DD in the cold weather months and need different wheels+tires but I want to keep everything the same size. But I won't be forking over $2500+ for the forged originals. Is it really that bad to use heavier wheels if you aren't going to ride the car crazy during the off season?
The aftermarket 1LE knockoffs are supposedly not much heavier. Not enough to be an issue, and it's not like you will have "performance" issues in the cold anyway. You are going to notice a bigger difference in the tire (All Season vs Summer Only compound).
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:50 PM   #194
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Im asking because I will be using the car as a DD in the cold weather months and need different wheels+tires but I want to keep everything the same size. But I won't be forking over $2500+ for the forged originals. Is it really that bad to use heavier wheels if you aren't going to ride the car crazy during the off season?
In that case no issues at all.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:23 PM   #195
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The same engineers also said the larger lower grille on the 2014 let more air in. Yet if you actually look at it the actual opening is the same if not smaller than the 2010-2013.

I guarantee if you put a ZL1 rear tire on a 1LE that handling would be better not worse.
Size isn't everything on the grille or tire.
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Old 06-27-2013, 11:03 PM   #196
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Are the rear tires on the 1LE wide enough? Because I know in certain photos the rear tires look too skinny.
This car with a 20x11 should have 295s back there not 285s. My BF Goodrich Rival 285 tire is like .5" wider than the Goodyears tread width , 10.5" vs 11.1".
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