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Old 06-26-2013, 08:53 AM   #35
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HOLD ON!

First of all.. its spelt Porsche.

2ndly, you have to specify what model was the 911...? ranges from 911 , 4, 4S, Turbo. There is a difference from a standard C2 to a CS (350-400hp, turbo with 500hp).

Its like me saying Chevrolet beats the Mustang GT .

Was it a 997 or 991? the 991 has an additional 15hp to its previous.

In conclusion, the 911 Carrera 3.4 & 3.8 models can NOT beat the Vette Z06 nor ZR1s.
However, the 911 Turbo is a tight competitor with the Z06.





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i hate grammar nazis, AND the model was in the 1st post:

"I know a guy who raced a 911 Carrera S recently."
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:26 AM   #36
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In all fairness, he did say, "the Porsche is quicker. . . "

as far as I'm concerned, this is the Porsche

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Old 06-26-2013, 12:52 PM   #37
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i hate grammar nazis, AND the model was in the 1st post:

"I know a guy who raced a 911 Carrera S recently."
Whew, glad English class is over. Never know when you might speell something wrong.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:29 AM   #38
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I clearly said dont come on here spouting your excuses and opinions and what do you do? You post opinions and excuses. Get back to me with some hard facts on performance. Until a bone stock 911 Turbo does 10.5 ET in the 1/4 and beats the ZR1 records on all those tracks you need to admit your WRONG. Why do you keep bringing up cross shopping? How is it relevant? I'm talking about performance between 1 car to the other. Both cars have been compaired to each other since 1965 in this regard. They are CONSTANTLY tested against each other. When GM builds the Corvette they have a target model Porsche to beat. I'm not the one who decides that. That was GM. You can try to make all the excuses you want for Porsche but the numbers don't lie. Ohh and I didnt even list Nurburgring. LOL. Many of the ones I listed were done independantly from GM so how again could it be a marketing gimmick? Your other excuses about tires and what not is just that its excuses. I get told alot of those too when I beat someone.
Like I said, mag racing. And the fact that you did list the Nurburgring and you don't even realize that you did just shows me that you copy and paste times without knowing the details of the test, what tires were ran on the cars, who drove them, where, and if optional tires were used or not.

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Nordschleife- Vette #13. 911 Turbo #24
^ That's the Nurburgring.

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Funny how when the 5.0 vs SS mag reports came out certain people seemed to scoff at them, now in regards to the the Corvette their Gospel?
lol yep. Use the "facts" when they are convenient for you <- Creed of the magazine racer.
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I dont get bringing tires up. Can't any manufacture use cup tires or does GM own the exclusive rights to these?
No, they don't have exclusive rights to them by any means, but when the Z06 and the ZR1 started getting beaten in tests and reviews by cars that should be slower based on horsepower and weight, GM fixed the problem by sticking competition DOT approved tires on the car. They have between a 60 to 80 tread wear rating and are not very good for street use. They typically last less then 5k miles.


That is the exact same reason that I don't buy all these "lap times" that everyone throws around. They add "safety equipment" which stiffens up the car, and they use optional near race tires to do them. It's not something that someone who buys the car is going to use or exploit themselves. It's also funny that when independent tests are done, the cars typically don't even come close to what the manufacturer is claiming their "stock" car did. I think the GT-Rs were notorious for this when they first came out. That is also why the LF-A is one of my favorite super cars ever. Yes it's a Lexus, but Toyota was pretty successful in JGTC and that car was developed by engineer that were working for the Toyota F1 team while it was still around. That car holds the record at the "ring", and it's the fastest car ever tested there on standard Bridgestone Potenza RE070.
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Old 06-27-2013, 05:37 AM   #39
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i hate grammar nazis, AND the model was in the 1st post:

"I know a guy who raced a 911 Carrera S recently."
I pity you.
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:48 AM   #40
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Well I walked my buddies 04 Gallardo. Even he was impressed. With a bone stock ZL1 vs bone stock Gallardo!
04 gallardo and 05 gallardo were slugs for lamborghini. real 0-60 times were more in the 4.2-4.4 range
try 07 Gallardo, they are quick off the line 3.7 -3.8 to 60. in the end it's a friggin' LAMBO i'd rather be rolling in regardless if it's the fastest car on the planet or not. BEAUTIFUL

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Old 06-27-2013, 03:49 PM   #41
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Like I said, mag racing. And the fact that you did list the Nurburgring and you don't even realize that you did just shows me that you copy and paste times without knowing the details of the test, what tires were ran on the cars, who drove them, where, and if optional tires were used or not.



^ That's the Nurburgring.



lol yep. Use the "facts" when they are convenient for you <- Creed of the magazine racer.


No, they don't have exclusive rights to them by any means, but when the Z06 and the ZR1 started getting beaten in tests and reviews by cars that should be slower based on horsepower and weight, GM fixed the problem by sticking competition DOT approved tires on the car. They have between a 60 to 80 tread wear rating and are not very good for street use. They typically last less then 5k miles.


That is the exact same reason that I don't buy all these "lap times" that everyone throws around. They add "safety equipment" which stiffens up the car, and they use optional near race tires to do them. It's not something that someone who buys the car is going to use or exploit themselves. It's also funny that when independent tests are done, the cars typically don't even come close to what the manufacturer is claiming their "stock" car did. I think the GT-Rs were notorious for this when they first came out. That is also why the LF-A is one of my favorite super cars ever. Yes it's a Lexus, but Toyota was pretty successful in JGTC and that car was developed by engineer that were working for the Toyota F1 team while it was still around. That car holds the record at the "ring", and it's the fastest car ever tested there on standard Bridgestone Potenza RE070.
Again all excuses. The ZR1 with those tires is a production option. I'm pretty sure Porsche has that type of option on cars like the GT2 and GT3.

You are right about the Nurburgring. My bad on that. See, I can admit when I'm wrong. You should do the same because the 911 turbo is not faster than a ZR1.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:43 PM   #42
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i raced a porsche 911 carrera from a rolling start 60mph and stopped at 130mph we were dead even the entire time. all i have is BBK cold air intake and Borla ATAK cat-back exhaust. i made a thread about it http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304227
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:43 PM   #43
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Again all excuses. The ZR1 with those tires is a production option. I'm pretty sure Porsche has that type of option on cars like the GT2 and GT3.

You are right about the Nurburgring. My bad on that. See, I can admit when I'm wrong. You should do the same because the 911 turbo is not faster than a ZR1.
Yes I was wrong, and you were right The ZR1 did run faster in the 1/4 then the 911 Turbo. It also beat it on most of the tracks you listed. See I can do that too lol

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i raced a porsche 911 carrera from a rolling start 60mph and stopped at 130mph we were dead even the entire time. all i have is BBK cold air intake and Borla ATAK cat-back exhaust. i made a thread about it http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304227
It's got 80hp less then you
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Old 06-29-2013, 08:48 PM   #44
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I find it hysterical that the point was completely lost.... oh well.... How's things in KWT....???
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I find it hysterical that the point was completely lost.... oh well.... How's things in KWT....???
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