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Old 07-24-2012, 11:51 PM   #476
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It's people like you guys who share your abilities with others who still make this world a better place....I will be doing this after my engine upgrades next week....
Thank you very much for a great thread!!
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:54 AM   #477
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Wow, thanks! I can't take credit for starting this thread, or speak for others here, but I can say I just come here because it's fun to share what I've learned, and to learn things I didn't know. Hope you stick around and keep us posted on your project!
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:45 PM   #478
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i ordered my el wire 2.2mm but they dont have it... the 3.5 mm works too. wich is the difference
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Old 09-18-2012, 03:32 PM   #479
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You're only talking about a diameter difference of 1.3 mm. As long as it fits in the tubing, it shouldn't matter. There shouldn't be any noticeable difference as far as the light is concerned.
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Old 09-19-2012, 02:31 AM   #480
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Hey man, I'm sorry if you've already answered this question, but I don't have the attention span to read all of the thread.. hahaha. I have the black cloth trim panels.. Would the ABL mod work for those, or would I have to buy the silver ones?? Thanks, bro!
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:49 AM   #481
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Hey man, I'm sorry if you've already answered this question, but I don't have the attention span to read all of the thread.. hahaha. I have the black cloth trim panels.. Would the ABL mod work for those, or would I have to buy the silver ones?? Thanks, bro!
I'm not real familiar with the different panels that are avialable, but I think there are at least three (or two, with one being a variant of the other). Mine came with the colored panels and ABL from the factory. They're molded in clear plastic, and painted on the inside with paint that matches the body color. The top edge of the panel is left unpainted so the light can shine through. I think the stock grey panels are molded in opaque color. So they can't be used for an ABL mod. -I think. I'm not positive on this, so I wish somebody who has dealt with it would post here. But it's been a couple of days, and nobody has chimed in.
I think the cloth panels might just be the aforementioned panels with fabric glued onto them. If it turns out I'm right, there might be a solution that would work for you that wouldn't involve buying new panels. Some people have attached thin wire to the outside, in the gap between the panel and the door.
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Hope I've helped in some small way- in spite of not knowing anything!
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I'm not real familiar with the different panels that are avialable, but I think there are at least three (or two, with one being a variant of the other). Mine came with the colored panels and ABL from the factory. They're molded in clear plastic, and painted on the inside with paint that matches the body color. The top edge of the panel is left unpainted so the light can shine through. I think the stock grey panels are molded in opaque color. So they can't be used for an ABL mod. -I think. I'm not positive on this, so I wish somebody who has dealt with it would post here. But it's been a couple of days, and nobody has chimed in.
I think the cloth panels might just be the aforementioned panels with fabric glued onto them. If it turns out I'm right, there might be a solution that would work for you that wouldn't involve buying new panels. Some people have attached thin wire to the outside, in the gap between the panel and the door.
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Ok. Thanks, man! I'll look into it a little bit more!
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Old 09-22-2012, 05:25 PM   #483
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one stupid question.. who,,,s knows wich wire is + and _...one has a little squares and the other one has letters.... hellppp meee
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:56 PM   #484
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one stupid question.. who,,,s knows wich wire is + and _...one has a little squares and the other one has letters.... hellppp meee
Ummm... You might need to post a picture for me on this one. Are you using the wire that comes with connections already attached? Because if you're talking about the EL wire itself, it's powered by AC current, so there is no positive and negative. That's why you need an inverter somewhere between your DC power source and the EL wire. The inverter power leads should be color coded, with black as always, being negative.
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:56 AM   #485
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I have no connections to the agency abl, so I think the error is in the purple and black wire ... lights work but still flash in full and with very little lighting
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:51 PM   #486
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how it's connected. the black wire was conncted on te center of my el wire, and the black and white on 2 little wires.
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:42 PM   #487
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Thanks for posting the pictures.
I'm still a little confused as to what problem you are having, so I'll go right to the basics, and see if that helps.

I see your lead wire set-up, and it looks fine. The color of the wires is of NO consequence. So don't worry about which goes to what. The EL wire is directly powered by alternating current. If you are running DC to the EL wire, it won't work. When wiring EL wire to your car, you need a 12 volt inverter that should look something like this:

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You'll notice the red and black wires on the input side. Wire these to positive and negative like any DC powered device. The black wires coming out the other side are AC, and they go to the EL wire either way. Doesn't matter.

Here's my fog light halo's. You'll see that I used all black wire to hook to the EL wire:

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If you have a voltmeter, run power to the inverter, and make sure it is putting power to the leads. (Do not touch the bare AC line wire ends, or you will get a nasty poke!)
When you hook it to the inverter, if the EL wire does not light up and stay lit, the most likely cause would be a bad connection right at the EL wire. Check that connection. The thin wires that wrap around the core are the most vulnerable to breakage. And the most difficult to connect properly. Beyond that there is not much else that can go wrong other than faulty (damaged) EL wire, or maybe a bad inverter.

Good luck, and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask!
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thanks for your help... my el wire works..
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:17 PM   #489
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Got a shipment of EL wire and accessories last week. Been commissioned to make a hood bowtie. I ordered some samples of other colors and diameters just to experiment with. The blue and magenta wires looked awesome. The red and purple; not so much.
I think I fried my inverter in the car a few weeks ago. Happened at a big cruise on the coast. I had the halo's and bowtie on all night (they were a huge hit!) At the end of the night they quit working. Did some testing at home with a battery powered inverter. Strangely, the bowtie and one halo worked. So I have a bad inverter and one bad halo. Now I have to pull one of the halo's out, which I don't relish. Am anxious to do a post mortem on it and figure out why it went out.
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What the hell happened to the write-up? :(
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What the hell happened to the write-up? :(
Well hello Thomas. Never expected to see you here of all places!

In answer to your question; a few things.

1) This thread kind of fizzled out. There's an outfit on C5 that sells LED light pipe kits that do what the OP originally came up with this idea for.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181339

2) Now that I've been running EL wire for awhile, I've been able to observe EL wire's limitations first hand. I just had to make a replacement for my left halo a couple months ago. After installing it, I noticed a slight difference in brightness between the new and old halos. I knew I was overdriving them to the max for brightness, and the trade-off is a decrease in the life of the wire. Wire is cheap, and if you're making these things yourself, you can always make a few extras to keep on hand for replacements, but I'm thinking I want something better. Another issue with my fog light halos is that I can't make them for anyone else, my bezels are apparently an anomaly, and I've never seen any others that could accommodate the EL wire like mine can. People love the bowtie, and mine still works going on two years now, but I don't know how much longer it will. And I can't make them for anyone else unless I want to get a cease and desist letter from GM's lawyers for copyright infringement.

I'm moving in a new direction now, focusing on LED's. Their much brighter and more reliable. I've got a design on the drawing board inspired by your green DRLs, but if I can pull it off, it will take them to a whole new level. I haven't been able to work up a prototype yet because I'm into a big project at the moment. Hopefully this Summer...

I'm not writing off EL wire. It has some nice qualities. I'm sure someone will come up with a creative use for it, and I'll be here if they need any advice on how to use the stuff.
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What the hell happened to the write-up? :(
yeah why would you take it down? what does it hurt to leave it up? this really messes me up taking it down bc i have the pieces sanded and im needing the instructions to cut the tab and lay the tubing. i already have all the supplies from the old setup bought.
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yeah why would you take it down? what does it hurt to leave it up? this really messes me up taking it down bc i have the pieces sanded and im needing the instructions to cut the tab and lay the tubing. i already have all the supplies from the old setup bought.
Are you talking about the across-the-dash ABL? If you are; as far as I know, all the information is still here in this thread. I'm not the OP of this thread. Forged Reality was talking about a couple different projects I did with EL wire that were otherwise unrelated to the ABL project. I was just saying that I abandoned plans to do a DIY of my own for those projects because I was dissatisfied with the final results, and did not want to lead someone else to do all this work (my projects, not the OP's) and be disappointed with what they get. If someone has an idea for something they want to create with EL wire, and need advice on using the stuff, I'll be happy to help. But I have not done the dash mod myself, and couldn't help you much with the project. However, I do believe there are some here that know what to do, and maybe they will be kind enough to post and help you.
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Are you talking about the across-the-dash ABL? If you are; as far as I know, all the information is still here in this thread. I'm not the OP of this thread. Forged Reality was talking about a couple different projects I did with EL wire that were otherwise unrelated to the ABL project. I was just saying that I abandoned plans to do a DIY of my own for those projects because I was dissatisfied with the final results, and did not want to lead someone else to do all this work (my projects, not the OP's) and be disappointed with what they get. If someone has an idea for something they want to create with EL wire, and need advice on using the stuff, I'll be happy to help. But I have not done the dash mod myself, and couldn't help you much with the project. However, I do believe there are some here that know what to do, and maybe they will be kind enough to post and help you.
All the pictures from the install from the OP are all gone.
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I have posted this before but I will say it again...The El wire is a nice mod for the short term. It will require lots of replacements and labor. It tends to last only a few months in direct sunlight even with very dark tinted windows. I have done the el wire mod to my car a few times and just got tired of taking the door panels apart every few months. To each his own though I would personally wait till there is a better LED option for this type of lighting.
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All the pictures from the install from the OP are all gone.
I'd say PM the OP, but I looked him up, and he has the PM option turned off. I don't know what else I can suggest. Sorry.

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I have posted this before but I will say it again...The El wire is a nice mod for the short term. It will require lots of replacements and labor. It tends to last only a few months in direct sunlight even with very dark tinted windows. I have done the el wire mod to my car a few times and just got tired of taking the door panels apart every few months. To each his own though I would personally wait till there is a better LED option for this type of lighting.
He's right. I posted pretty much the same assessment a few posts ago. It's cool stuff, but it has limitations. My advice is look into the LED light pipe kits available. That seems to be where everyone else has gone. (They weren't available yet when this thread was started. )
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Yeah im already kinda disappointed with the el wire. I finished the install the night before the fest this year. Its a little dim then i would want but it doesnt distract you while driving. Today is the 24th and its already dead in sections on the long trim. The car is never outside, always in the garage, its rarely drove at night so the el wire isnt even on and it hasnt even been a month! I read that bending it a lot shortens the life and i did have trouble getting the el wire in the tube for the full length of the long trim so maybe that is the source of my issues hopefully. Any thoughts?
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Yeah im already kinda disappointed with the el wire. I finished the install the night before the fest this year. Its a little dim then i would want but it doesnt distract you while driving. Today is the 24th and its already dead in sections on the long trim. The car is never outside, always in the garage, its rarely drove at night so the el wire isnt even on and it hasnt even been a month! I read that bending it a lot shortens the life and i did have trouble getting the el wire in the tube for the full length of the long trim so maybe that is the source of my issues hopefully. Any thoughts?
I've never had it go bad that fast, but there are a lot of variables that can affect it. I've worked it around pretty good when fabricating with it without any immediate negative effects; but I also used to have a loop that I carried around in the car for demonstration purposes, and it stopped working, I figure, from being kicked around all the time. As far as sunlight is concerned, I'm not sure what effect that has on the wire. I'm not going to dispute that it has some effect, but my halos have been mounted on the fog/DRL bezels for about two years now, and I've only replaced one. The other, although somewhat dimmer now, still works.

I'm sorry you put all that work in only to be disappointed, but I see that you've checked into the light pipe. Now that you've got all that experience getting into the dash, hopefully the install will go that much easier for you when you go to put it in. Good luck!
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