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Old 06-27-2013, 11:45 PM   #26
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"under consideration" means we have to trick the taxpayers in footing the bill for an answer to the best street "Baja" truck ever made
Any validity you had got pissed away with this part
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:26 AM   #27
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Any validity you had got pissed away with this part
1. take money from taxpayers
2. pay off unions
3. pay off politicians
4. build vehicles copied from various manufacturers
5. claim to be the innovators based off glimpses in history
6. sell vehicles at a loss until bankruptcy
7. purchase politicians that distort the free market
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is this better?
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:41 AM   #28
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Why no V8 in it?

Not sure I get the point of this truck...I mean I get the idea, but the F-150 Lightning wasn't much of a success, nor was the SSR. Trucks don't make good sports cars.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:45 AM   #29
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Why no V8 in it?

Not sure I get the point of this truck...I mean I get the idea, but the F-150 Lightning wasn't much of a success, nor was the SSR. Trucks don't make good sports cars.
you can get a 5.0 in a STX or XLT for $1,000 more than the base price of said models.. many guys on the forum have a 5.0 RCSB, one in particular has a Roush blower and makes almost 600 hp with stock internals
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:05 AM   #30
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Why no V8 in it?

Not sure I get the point of this truck...I mean I get the idea, but the F-150 Lightning wasn't much of a success, nor was the SSR. Trucks don't make good sports cars.
to be fair the SSR was ugly.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:14 AM   #31
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I like this truck. I'm curious on what the MSRP will be.
GM needs to make a factory 6.2 RCSB truck with a 4.10 gear. That would be a hot rod.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:51 AM   #32
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"under consideration" means we have to trick the taxpayers in footing the bill for an answer to the best street "Baja" truck ever made

the Tremor has nothing to do with what you said or linked



you can get a 5.0 in a STX or XLT which will out perform the Ram any day of the week, twice on Sundays..
Not even close. Wtf planet are you on. I can buy a hemi express for under 20k brand new and it will out perform the Ford or the Chevy
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Old 06-28-2013, 03:47 AM   #33
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1. take money from taxpayers
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3. pay off politicians
4. build vehicles copied from various manufacturers
5. claim to be the innovators based off glimpses in history
6. sell vehicles at a loss until bankruptcy
7. purchase politicians that distort the free market
8. repeat

is this better?
But in the free market you should be able to buy whatever you want right
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Old 06-28-2013, 04:20 AM   #34
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1. take money from taxpayers
2. pay off unions
3. pay off politicians
4. build vehicles copied from various manufacturers
5. claim to be the innovators based off glimpses in history
6. sell vehicles at a loss until bankruptcy
7. purchase politicians that distort the free market
8. repeat

is this better?
no Ford should not have done this you are correct - do be so damn naive

http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmul...-surprise-you/
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:46 AM   #35
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Why no V8 in it?

Not sure I get the point of this truck...I mean I get the idea, but the F-150 Lightning wasn't much of a success, nor was the SSR. Trucks don't make good sports cars.
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Old 06-28-2013, 06:32 AM   #36
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CAFE. The EcoBoost is what Ford is using to pull up their average fuel economy. They are stuffing it into everything with 4 wheels.
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Im not sure the Lightning was a failure as suggested a couple posts ago... it was an SVT product so they werent out to sell record numbers.

I think its a good looking truck, but its not something I would consider as a full time truck. No back seats sucks in a truck, then add in a kids seat...
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Old 06-28-2013, 08:43 AM   #38
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the last effort that GM made at a performance full size was the 454SS in early 90's
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Old 06-28-2013, 09:14 AM   #39
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I myself would love to see a SBRC truck with a good motor, gearing and performance stance coming right from the GM factory. Until they do, I'll stick with building my 5.3L S10
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:21 AM   #40
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GM doesn't need to answer to this. If people want a GM performance vehicle they have plenty to choose from already:

CTS-V
CTS-V Coupe
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Camaro SS
Camaro 1LE
Camaro ZL1
Camaro Z/28 (soon)
Corvette Z06
Corvette ZR1
Corvette Stingray (soon)
Chevrolet SS sedan

GM builds trucks for what they're supposed to be used for. And we all know GM can do it if they wanted to. Remember the Cyclone or the Typhoon?

GM has so many toys in their toy chest Ford HAS to do stuff like this. What else do they have? The Mustang. That's it.

Besides the Camaro SS everything you listed there is roughlyy 40k and most cosniderably more. A 6.2 RC Silverado would give GM an additional sporty vehicle more can afford. GM at one time was about affordable performance with the CHevrolet lineup. It needs to be again and this would be a great cheap way to do it while moving a few extra trucks. Heck, what R&D could there really be to make this happen?

Also, Cyclone and typhoon were great, but not real entries as the Cyclone was built for 1 year and the Typhoon only 2. At the time they were outragously expensive (over 30k in 91!) and their reliability, well, there isn't any to really speak of. They have tried with the 454 SS which was pitiful for something carrying 454 CI and was killed by the first gen Lighning in every aspect. There were also lesser models such as the GT line for the Silverado and Sierra that provided the looks of the 454 SS with the old TBI 350. They tried again with the 03 Silverado SS, but this thing was simply obliterated by Fords Lightning and Dodge's SRT-10 trucks, not to mention a Ram Sport was basically as quick with the old Hemi and provided better handling. Same as with the GMC C3/Denali.

And Ford has the various versions of the Mustang, the Focus ST, the Fiesta ST, the taurus SHO, and now the Tremor. Also, their performance vehicles fall in a more affordable range than GM's performance cars.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:21 AM   #41
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You can buy a regular cab long bed xl from Ford with the eco boost for around 24k. I'm not sure this is worth the extra 12k.
Only problem is the Long Bed, though that would add to the sleeper effect .
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:34 AM   #42
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you can get a 5.0 in a STX or XLT which will out perform the Ram any day of the week, twice on Sundays..
BS. A Ram R/T hits 0-60 in the high 5s and the 1/4 mile in the low 14s. Some stripper Hemis have dipped barely into the 13s (13.99999) bone stock (5/6 speed auto, never mind the new 8 speed auto). Even a RC 5.0 F-150 is a 7.x 0-60 truck and the mid 15s in the 1/4, MAYBE very high 14s. And FYI, C&D tested a new Silverado 4x4 crew to 6.7 to 60 and 15.3 in the 1/4 mile, put this in a RC truck and you are looking at a drop to around 6.3 to 60 and probably high 14s in the 1/4 mile. A 6.2 RC Chevy or GMC would be a beast.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:37 AM   #43
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Why no V8 in it?

Not sure I get the point of this truck...I mean I get the idea, but the F-150 Lightning wasn't much of a success, nor was the SSR. Trucks don't make good sports cars.
How was the Lightning not a success? It was a low volume SVT vehicle from the start and they sold everyone they could make. They were quick and handled well, were fun to drive, and could haul what you need in the bed and tow 6000 pounds.
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to be fair the SSR was ugly.
I liked the thing, but they did it all wrong. They should have never made it convertible, they should have had the LS2 from the beginning, had a real bed that could actually stuff, they needed to be able to actually tow something, and they should have been 10k cheaper.

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the last effort that GM made at a performance full size was the 454SS in early 90's
Actually after that there was trucks i previously mention, the SS, the C3, and the SSR. All good ideas killed by making moves to drive the price up like making the SS extended cab only and AWD only (at least the latter was rectified in the last could years). SSR could have been much better but again they went too far with the convertible op and carpeted bed and no capability.

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I myself would love to see a SBRC truck with a good motor, gearing and performance stance coming right from the GM factory. Until they do, I'll stick with building my 5.3L S10
Had 2 older S-10s with carbed 355s in them, loved them both and aways wanted to do a 98+ ZQ8 Sonoma Stepside with a LSX.
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All show and no go? At least compared to other upgraded Ford trucks. Will the new Ford SVT F-150 be call the "Quake" if this is just a little "Tremor?"
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I think some people are slightly missing the point of this truck, its not meant to be a performance truck like the Lightning was. Its supposed to be a sporty looking truck with decent performance.

It looks good, looks sporty, good wheels and nice interior. If it comes in at a affordable price, sign me up.
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I was watching a youtube channel Tfl car did a quick vid of it and one of the people that I guess was a ford engineer quoted saying 6.5 to 60 in the tremor im guessing 2wd version but who knows that might be a lil bit of a sand bag number.
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I was watching a youtube channel Tfl car did a quick vid of it and one of the people that I guess was a ford engineer quoted saying 6.5 to 60 in the tremor im guessing 2wd version but who knows that might be a lil bit of a sand bag number.

I hope that is a sandbagged number. motor trend ran the 2009 Ram R/T 0-60 in 5.7 and the 1/4 mile in 14.4@93.4. That was with the 5 speed, not even the 6 speed, automatic and it will have the 8 speed auto for 14, not to mention the 5.7 Hemi has picked up a little power.
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Old 06-28-2013, 07:06 PM   #49
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CAFE. The EcoBoost is what Ford is using to pull up their average fuel economy. They are stuffing it into everything with 4 wheels.
Oh, that's right...the power of a V-8 with the efficiency of a V-7.9, for the cost of a V-10. Makes sense.

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Where do you come up with this stuff? I agree the SSR was not a success, and rightly so, IMO, but the Lightning was a huge win for Ford. They are still highly sought after trucks. Unlike the SSR, they were still trucks and had a payload capacity, towing package (I used to pull my car trailer to the track with one) and considerable aftermarket support.
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How was the Lightning not a success? It was a low volume SVT vehicle from the start and they sold everyone they could make. They were quick and handled well, were fun to drive, and could haul what you need in the bed and tow 6000 pounds.
I can count on one hand how many Lightnings I've seen on the road in the last 10 years. So either everyone who bought one either scrapped them already, or don't care to ever drive them.

They may have been quick in a straight line, but they were heavy, inefficient, handled nothing like sports car, and didn't have near the capability of a regular truck. They were in all categories a compromise...a quintessential example of trying to do all things at the same time, and ending up doing no single thing particularly well.

I restate my earlier argument. Trucks do not make good sports cars. Ford had the right idea with the SVT Raptor. If you are going to make a high performance truck, make it excel specifically at doing truck things, not mediocre at doing sports car things.
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