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View Poll Results: What should be done with the Lounges that were moved?
Return the lounges to their original state 19 51.35%
Follow Mike's compromise 5 13.51%
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Old 06-29-2013, 10:07 PM   #18
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I guess I still don't see why anything needed to be done anyways. Everything was chugging along just fine... now there's a mess. I voted compromise... but back the way it was is probably how it should have been all along. Who were we hurting? Exactly what was the problem in the first place? If you had to move every thread that went off topic to the off topic forum, there would be no threads left anywhere else.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. This is a perfect example of why that always has been and always will be good advice. Can we just put things back the way they were and forget about all of this? I'm losing interest daily. Who knows... maybe I'll start actually driving my car more often.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:18 AM   #19
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Okay I read it all, I likewise don't really see what the problem was. I vote put them back as they were or if that is not aceptable, comprimise, but in the off topic just does not seem right.
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:23 AM   #20
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:01 AM   #21
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With all do respect. I don't understand how moving the lounges helps the lurker situation. What about people (like me) who want to ask a quick question, the info is minor, and you only want responses from specific people. The lounge fills that need. Do i really need to start a new thread? By keeping the lounges in their own sections you will know that if you ask a question it's going to be answered by a guy with same engine as you. I can't imagine I am the only one who feels this way.
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Use PM.

Think of it like this... Historically, a question would be asked and all the replies would be in that one small file. New question, new file. Search pulls up a specific small file (usually).

Now, imagine most questions being asked are stored in one HUGE file..... some new kid comes in and asks, "What's the best CAI for my car?" You proceed to rip him a new one because you've already answered that question a million times. He leaves and never comes back because "Those C5 people are punks!"

Forums have a specific organization for ease of use for anyone, not just a certain clique. And that's what you want, a clique thread... not a good idea.

Bullshite threads belong in off-topic, information threads belong in their most appropriate area.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:10 AM   #22
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Did you originally come to C5 for information? Or to make friends? Be honest...

It's cool to have friends on here, but when all the good info is in one big thread, a noob does a google search for "best exhaust for a v8 camaro", google will take him somewhere else, not here.

Here, on C5, is where he belongs.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:29 AM   #23
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Use PM.

Think of it like this... Historically, a question would be asked and all the replies would be in that one small file. New question, new file. Search pulls up a specific small file (usually).

Now, imagine most questions being asked are stored in one HUGE file..... some new kid comes in and asks, "What's the best CAI for my car?" You proceed to rip him a new one because you've already answered that question a million times. He leaves and never comes back because "Those C5 people are punks!"

Forums have a specific organization for ease of use for anyone, not just a certain clique. And that's what you want, a clique thread... not a good idea.

Bullshite threads belong in off-topic, information threads belong in their most appropriate area.
No, it's not a clique thread. The men's lounge and PWA is a clique thread. You never see new people in there, it's always the same guys. As we've previously stated, people would ask a question, we would answer it, and then they would stay and chat until someone else asked a question. We were constantly talking with new people in there. Hence why it doesn't fit the definition of a clique "persons who interact with each other more regularly and intensely than others in the same setting".
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:13 AM   #24
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No, it's not a clique thread. The men's lounge and PWA is a clique thread. You never see new people in there, it's always the same guys. As we've previously stated, people would ask a question, we would answer it, and then they would stay and chat until someone else asked a question. We were constantly talking with new people in there. Hence why it doesn't fit the definition of a clique "persons who interact with each other more regularly and intensely than others in the same setting".
You didn't address my questions.

77 persons posting 3,200+ times in one thread, with the top 10 persons responsible for well over the majority of the thread... ~2500 posts.

How many V8 engine related posts? (legitimate problem/solution posts)
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Look at it another way... I have a problem and need a quick solution.

"Does the oil pressure idiot light and the console oil pressure gauge feed off the same sensor?"

How many 'other topic' posts do I have to go thru before I get to my answer, IF I ever do get an answer, because only 8 people know I even posted a question.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:59 AM   #26
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I never come to a lounge looking for answers to technical questions, that's what the various categories are set up for. If I need an answer about my engine I go to the LFX section. Or I do a search on my particular issue, if I can't find an answer then I make a thread about it and usually within a few posts I get my answer. As members I wish the OP had the ability to delete any thread he starts. That way after you get your answer you can delete the thread and reduce the clutter.
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Did you originally come to C5 for information? Or to make friends? Be honest...

It's cool to have friends on here, but when all the good info is in one big thread, a noob does a google search for "best exhaust for a v8 camaro", google will take him somewhere else, not here.

Here, on C5, is where he belongs.
I did come to C5 looking for information. I stayed on C5 because I wanted to make friends and talk to people who are like me. As far as "scaring off" people, that was happening long before the lounges even existed and will continue to happen with the lounges moved into into the basement. I can only speak from my experience, I did not exactly feel welcome when I first got here. You mentioned I should PM people. I don't think the average C5 user would feel comfortable PMing people, vendors yes, people no. When I first got here there is no way in hell I would PM people I didn't know, and in some cases that were rude to me. But I got it, I was the new guy.
Outside C5 I am a very respected business man. This current business model is set up to be a one and done model. Come in, get info and leave. In the business world that's a doomed model. You need people to stay. The lounge would be the vehicle to keep members. That's why I mentioned 3 lounges. Demographically "gear heads" are going to want to talk to other "gear heads"." Ultimately , somewhere along the line C5 is a business and the lounges are good for business. If there is no lounge I probably won't hang around for long, because once you get your info, what reason is there to hang around. And as far as business goes I am probably a very common and profitable demographic.
I think we are going to have respectfully agree to disagree.
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Well stated garrison.
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I did come to C5 looking for information. I stayed on C5 because I wanted to make friends and talk to people who are like me. As far as "scaring off" people, that was happening long before the lounges even existed and will continue to happen with the lounges moved into into the basement. I can only speak from my experience, I did not exactly feel welcome when I first got here. You mentioned I should PM people. I don't think the average C5 user would feel comfortable PMing people, vendors yes, people no. When I first got here there is no way in hell I would PM people I didn't know, and in some cases that were rude to me. But I got it, I was the new guy.
Outside C5 I am a very respected business man. This current business model is set up to be a one and done model. Come in, get info and leave. In the business world that's a doomed model. You need people to stay. The lounge would be the vehicle to keep members. That's why I mentioned 3 lounges. Demographically "gear heads" are going to want to talk to other "gear heads"." Ultimately , somewhere along the line C5 is a business and the lounges are good for business. If there is no lounge I probably won't hang around for long, because once you get your info, what reason is there to hang around. And as far as business goes I am probably a very common and profitable demographic.
I think we are going to have respectfully agree to disagree.
I don't see the 'off topic' area as a basement, I see it as more of an area to develop friendships above & beyond the technicals of the car.

A good thread will BTT on it's own merit without setting it apart for exclusive use.

As a business model I think it has done very well, google would agree.
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Yep. Agree to disagree.
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You didn't address my questions.

77 persons posting 3,200+ times in one thread, with the top 10 persons responsible for well over the majority of the thread... ~2500 posts.

How many V8 engine related posts? (legitimate problem/solution posts)
I'm not sure why don't you go count them?

The point is that the V8 lounge did the SAME thing as the help desk. GTA said that the help desk is a great idea. So people will have to look through that entire thread to get answers as well. The lounge and help desk are for stupid questions that people don't search for. Like "what headers should I get?" And "what CAI is the best?" Instead of people wasting space with those questions which have been answered thousands of times, they can pop in, ask, and leave. Complex issues that haven't been answered before deserve a thread.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:00 PM   #33
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I'm not sure why don't you go count them?

The point is that the V8 lounge did the SAME thing as the help desk. GTA said that the help desk is a great idea. So people will have to look through that entire thread to get answers as well. The lounge and help desk are for stupid questions that people don't search for. Like "what headers should I get?" And "what CAI is the best?" Instead of people wasting space with those questions which have been answered thousands of times, they can pop in, ask, and leave. Complex issues that haven't been answered before deserve a thread.
Because he would be counting all freakin day! There are TONS of on-topic posts and TONS of good information in there.

Since when does info have to be contained in a perfectly titled thread/file/package to be useful? Google sure as hell doesn't work that way. It finds text in the thread body regardless of what it's titled. That thread was standing on its own merit. The only reason it collapsed is because it's primary contributors are pissed off about it being screwed with.

In reality... the mods appear to have backed off on their threat to heavily trim the help desk thread. I appreciate that. I hope we don't end up in this situation again.
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Because he would be counting all freakin day! There are TONS of on-topic posts and TONS of good information in there.

Since when does info have to be contained in a perfectly titled thread/file/package to be useful? Google sure as hell doesn't work that way. It finds text in the thread body regardless of what it's titled. That thread was standing on its own merit. The only reason it collapsed is because it's primary contributors are pissed off about it being screwed with.

In reality... the mods appear to have backed off on their threat to heavily trim the help desk thread. I appreciate that. I hope we don't end up in this situation again.
After 100 posts, so far all I have is:

V8's ROCK
Fast6 is GREAT
Detroit got their @ss kicked
V8 or GO HOME
God bless our troops!

All it is, is a post whore thread with a V8 bias...

As far as the poll goes, I can already tell you who most of the folks are that voted to restore it, even if it is a private poll. If you want an un-biased (somewhat) poll, post it in off topic.
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