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Old 07-01-2013, 02:47 PM   #18
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They don't price them different. Its the same. ZL1 already comes loaded, so yes you have to add all the goodies to the GT500.
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Old 07-01-2013, 02:57 PM   #19
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We just got a 14 GT500. SVT and Recaros are the only options. MSRP was $62,000. Dealer hit us for $1000 over. I've never driven a ZL1 but the Gt500 is bad ass. I owned a 2010 LS3.

Straight line... GT500 is faster.
Highway runs... GT500 is faster.
Track racing (auto cross)... Miata is faster around
Road course track... ZL1 is faster around.

The GT500 has piss poor brakes and too narrow tires to compete with the ZL1 on a road course. If you want a faster/quicker car in the street without modding, the GT500 is faster/quicker... marginally. They both make great power and you'll be happy either way.

Don't let the fan boy talk you down... A GT500 is not... just a mustang.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:56 PM   #20
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I turned down the Mustang GT 500 after driving it. For one, too flashy, looked more like a hot wheels car than I liked. Too nose heavy. It drove okay but I could tell it just didn't feel as if I'd enjoy a long trip in it. Rode very stiff on all settings. Have to say it does have raw power in all gears.
So I am over that and back to searching for the right Camaro.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:18 PM   #21
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If you pay the same price for a gt500 as a ZL1 then you are getting a stripped down Gt500 without the SVT package and SVT plus package which is standard on the ZL1. You have to pay around 62 to 65 to get a gt500 equipped like a basic ZL1
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:50 PM   #22
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Did you test drive a base model gt500? They don't come with adjustable shocks.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:56 AM   #23
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What are you planning to use the car for? Daily driver, weekend cruiser, track days, drag strip, etc.? Both cars are great daily drivers and unless you plan to spend a lot of time doing track events, the ZL1 magnetic ride is overkill and the SVT performance pack is unnecessary. Likewise the Recaros unless you just think they are cool.

I own both and can honestly say the GT500 is the more fun car to drive, overall, than my ZL1. Of course, hundreds will now post after me explaining all the reasons I am wrong in my opinion (like an opinion can even be wrong!), but it is my experience.
I have not driven a new gt500 but would probably agree it would be more fun. 662hp, tail happy, live axle.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:58 PM   #24
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The local Ford Dealer has a base 2014 GT500 Shelby.
But why would anyone want a base GT500? Everyone I know would definitely want the SVT and track packages (with the 2-position adjustable Bilstein shocks, Thorsen diff, oil+trans+diff coolers, etcetera). Add them and the optional Recaros and the cost of a GT500 is severa; thousands more than a ZL1 (even with the gas guzzler tax on the ZL1).
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:37 PM   #25
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I turned down the Mustang GT 500 after driving it. For one, too flashy, looked more like a hot wheels car than I liked. Too nose heavy. It drove okay but I could tell it just didn't feel as if I'd enjoy a long trip in it. Rode very stiff on all settings. Have to say it does have raw power in all gears.
So I am over that and back to searching for the right Camaro.
just keep searching. don't tell dealers you did not like the GT500 tell them you loved it and make them match the price.

in my case it was me threating to buy a GT500 that got the dealership to go supplier price last summer.

the closer the 2014's get to the ground the less 2013's are worth.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:09 PM   #26
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But why would anyone want a base GT500? Everyone I know would definitely want the SVT and track packages (with the 2-position adjustable Bilstein shocks, Thorsen diff, oil+trans+diff coolers, etcetera). Add them and the optional Recaros and the cost of a GT500 is severa; thousands more than a ZL1 (even with the gas guzzler tax on the ZL1).
I have no need for that equipment. *though a THORson differential sounds like it has potential*

The base car handles exceptionally well for everything I ever intend to use it for. Why would I spend *as you've pointed out* several thousands of dollars for options I don't want, nor will ever need?

I've got a 662 horsepower factory vehicle that will drill cars in a straight line that far exceed it in 'status' and price, all while doing a pretty solid job of performing on a road course if I were ever to take it there. Furthermore, if I ever DO take it to a road course, the times I run as an amateur would be so ridiculously bad, I highly doubt I would need options that allow me to enter and exit corners at higher speeds than I'd already be experiencing.


So, maybe I am in the extreme minority, but I think if the magnetic ride had been an option on the ZL1, and it could have been purchased as a BASE model around 51,000, many people would have jumped on it.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:15 PM   #27
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cannot go wrong with either .I know I have both
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:57 AM   #28
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I have no need for that equipment. *though a THORson differential sounds like it has potential*

The base car handles exceptionally well for everything I ever intend to use it for. Why would I spend *as you've pointed out* several thousands of dollars for options I don't want, nor will ever need?

I've got a 662 horsepower factory vehicle that will drill cars in a straight line that far exceed it in 'status' and price, all while doing a pretty solid job of performing on a road course if I were ever to take it there. Furthermore, if I ever DO take it to a road course, the times I run as an amateur would be so ridiculously bad, I highly doubt I would need options that allow me to enter and exit corners at higher speeds than I'd already be experiencing.


So, maybe I am in the extreme minority, but I think if the magnetic ride had been an option on the ZL1, and it could have been purchased as a BASE model around 51,000, many people would have jumped on it.
Yeah, if you just want to cruise around and sit and talk at the car shows or gatherings, the base model is just fine.

For my application I do a lot of "spirited" canyon carving. Here in Southern California with elevated temperatures spirited driving raised oil and coolant temperatures quickly. The coolers would be real nice. tHE ADJUSTABLE BILSTEINS AND Thorsen diff would help with my Corvette running peeps.

Sure I could get the base model and spend the next couple of years installing the upgrades to make it a fully optioned model (satisfying my mod bug). But why not get it from the factory? Also, the Zl1 provides all of the suspension upgrades for 10K less.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:22 PM   #29
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Yeah, if you just want to cruise around and sit and talk at the car shows or gatherings, the base model is just fine.

For my application I do a lot of "spirited" canyon carving. Here in Southern California with elevated temperatures spirited driving raised oil and coolant temperatures quickly. The coolers would be real nice. tHE ADJUSTABLE BILSTEINS AND Thorsen diff would help with my Corvette running peeps.

Sure I could get the base model and spend the next couple of years installing the upgrades to make it a fully optioned model (satisfying my mod bug). But why not get it from the factory? Also, the Zl1 provides all of the suspension upgrades for 10K less.

You're right, since I've never had my car above 60 mph and I only take it to bullshit at car shows I didn't need anything more than the base model.

It's really a shame because almost every car ever released before the ZL1 and GT500 with some sort of performance pack and track pack are good for nothing but cruising and car shows.

I guess the Boss and 1LE are equally as worthless.

And I suppose the THORson differential would allow me to throw hammers at people too, which in all reality would be a nice perk.

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Old 07-03-2013, 05:43 PM   #31
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Its pretty simple.. if you want a mustang.. buy one.
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I have no need for that equipment. *though a THORson differential sounds like it has potential*

The base car handles exceptionally well for everything I ever intend to use it for. Why would I spend *as you've pointed out* several thousands of dollars for options I don't want, nor will ever need?

I've got a 662 horsepower factory vehicle that will drill cars in a straight line that far exceed it in 'status' and price, all while doing a pretty solid job of performing on a road course if I were ever to take it there. Furthermore, if I ever DO take it to a road course, the times I run as an amateur would be so ridiculously bad, I highly doubt I would need options that allow me to enter and exit corners at higher speeds than I'd already be experiencing.


So, maybe I am in the extreme minority, but I think if the magnetic ride had been an option on the ZL1, and it could have been purchased as a BASE model around 51,000, many people would have jumped on it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:13 PM   #33
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What are you planning to use the car for? Daily driver, weekend cruiser, track days, drag strip, etc.? Both cars are great daily drivers and unless you plan to spend a lot of time doing track events, the ZL1 magnetic ride is overkill and the SVT performance pack is unnecessary. Likewise the Recaros unless you just think they are cool.

I own both and can honestly say the GT500 is the more fun car to drive, overall, than my ZL1. Of course, hundreds will now post after me explaining all the reasons I am wrong in my opinion (like an opinion can even be wrong!), but it is my experience.
I will agree with you, I own both as well. The ZL1 looks bad ass, but the GT500 is more fun to drive and feels like its got A LOT more power. The thing is a monster. I have the track pack on my GT500 and drive in southern Ontario where it gets really hot, the car never has a heat problem. In fact, the rads never get that hot. The ZL1 is a different story but it looks sooo HOT, I lobe the look of the ZL1. Also not to be picky but the recaros in the mustang are great quality, I wish I could say the same about the camaro seats. I find I try to hop in so I don't rub the sides on them. Just my two cents
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just keep searching. don't tell dealers you did not like the GT500 tell them you loved it and make them match the price.

in my case it was me threating to buy a GT500 that got the dealership to go supplier price last summer.

the closer the 2014's get to the ground the less 2013's are worth.
Match the price? The ZL1 is cheaper regardless. There are dealers out there willing to do invoice for a '13 ZL1.
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