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Old 06-30-2013, 07:44 PM   #1
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cost of GT 500 vs ZL1

The local Ford Dealer has a base 2014 GT 500 Shelby for sticker of 55,595
USAA says I can get the car for 1,888 off that.
I ran the ZL1 and it came up more and G.M. hits you with the gas guzzler tax which Ford doesn't.
Anyway I can get competetive with the Ford on a ZL1 ?
I want a ZL1 but cost is also a factor.
Any light shed on this is apprecited.
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:54 PM   #2
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How do you mean competitive? You should be able to get a ZL1 for around that in price. Maybe not the 1888 off. If you really are that concerned about cost I know you can one used for less than that because I did.
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Old 06-30-2013, 07:55 PM   #3
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You WONT GET a 2014 gt500 for under sticker.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:35 PM   #4
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the GT500 is cool, but in the end it's still just a Mustang. same thing could be said about a ZL1, it's still a Camaro. But there's something about a ZL1 that just says, "bad @ss"!

Mustangs are just.......... well, Mustangs.
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:40 PM   #5
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I think you can find a new 2013 ZL1 and get it under sticker. And dollar for dollar, you get a more complete car with the ZL1. Base GT 500 doesn't have track pack of SVT package, both important for track use. Not to mention, non cool stereo head unit (that mattered to me), and I'd rather have the Recaro seats if I got the GT500. All those options push the gt500 between 64-67,000. Got my ZL1 for 56,000.
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Old 06-30-2013, 09:33 PM   #6
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Your a couple thousand bucks difference for a straight line mustang vs. an all around BA ZL1. The loaded 500 is nice but a base model vs. a ZL1 is an easy decision IMO. It is easier to add HP to a ZL1 Than make a balanced car from a base 500.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:00 PM   #7
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ZL1 accolades speak for themselves, compare reviews of the two and see who really wins.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:08 PM   #8
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That Gas Guzzler tax you speak of is already included in the ZL1 sticker price and if you want all the bells and whistles w/ the Shelby you're going to pay more. The ZL1 comes loaded.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:17 PM   #9
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That Gas Guzzler tax you speak of is already included in the ZL1 sticker price and if you want all the bells and whistles w/ the Shelby you're going to pay more. The ZL1 comes loaded.
This. Fully Loaded ZL1 58000, Fully Loadet gt500 72000.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:15 AM   #10
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Just a note, the USAA discount didn't apply to "specialty" cars like the ZL1 and GT500.
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:30 AM   #11
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Could someone tell me how much of the GM card earnings can be used in a purchase of a ZL1?

Most of the reviews I've read simple state that the ZL1 is an engineering cycle ahead of the GT500. It's just a more syphisticated car. While the GT500 avoids a gas guxzzler tax. A quick calculation revealed it would take 14 years to spend the extra cost of the GT500 in gas.

Unfortunately the GT500 does beat the in all acceleration perameters, and at Laguna Seca (for one lap). But unless you are a dedicated track racer, so what? At these power levels it's subjective. The Zl1 just seems to be the better car.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:33 AM   #12
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Also I had read (don't know if it's true) that to track the gt500 Ford recommends the track pack, but if you get the track pack Ford will not cover the car under warranty if you race it,whereas GM does cover the ZL1.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:47 AM   #13
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Could someone tell me how much of the GM card earnings can be used in a purchase of a ZL1?
Depends on "which" GM Card you have . . .

The "old card" which I have, there is $500 annual earnings up to 7 years of earnings in which 100% of what you have can be applied to any GM car or truck . .

Another card has no earnings cap, but has "allowances" per a specific car . . looks like the current allowance is $1,500 on Camaro . . cannot find any ZL1 exclusion.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:14 PM   #14
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The local Ford Dealer has a base 2014 GT 500 Shelby for sticker of 55,595
USAA says I can get the car for 1,888 off that.
I ran the ZL1 and it came up more and G.M. hits you with the gas guzzler tax which Ford doesn't.
Anyway I can get competetive with the Ford on a ZL1 ?
I want a ZL1 but cost is also a factor.
Any light shed on this is apprecited.
I got my ZL1 at supplier price $55,500. You should if you shop be able to get a competitive price between a ZL1 manual and a base GT500.

If I paid supplier price last summer for a Zl1 the deals have to be better now that there ar 7500 or so more cars on the ground.

If you buy new the GG tax is always going to make the ZL1 a tad more money IMO than a base GT500. I mean the cars are the same base price and the ZL1 has $1300 tax added that the GT500 does not. I think resale will be better on the GT500 as well. GM is making more ZL1's than ford is GT500's
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:21 PM   #15
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The last statement I got regarding the GM savings I've accumulated on my GMcard indicated that even tho I had a good amount saved, it could not be applied to a ZL1.

But that's all right, I already have one!
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:34 PM   #16
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They must price them different in the U.S. Up here in Canada to spec out an equivalent GT500 will run $10,000 more than the ZL1.
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Old 07-01-2013, 12:41 PM   #17
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They must price them different in the U.S. Up here in Canada to spec out an equivalent GT500 will run $10,000 more than the ZL1.
They don't price them different. Its the same. ZL1 already comes loaded, so yes you have to add all the goodies to the GT500.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:47 PM   #18
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They don't price them different. Its the same. ZL1 already comes loaded, so yes you have to add all the goodies to the GT500.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:57 PM   #19
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We just got a 14 GT500. SVT and Recaros are the only options. MSRP was $62,000. Dealer hit us for $1000 over. I've never driven a ZL1 but the Gt500 is bad ass. I owned a 2010 LS3.

Straight line... GT500 is faster.
Highway runs... GT500 is faster.
Track racing (auto cross)... Miata is faster around
Road course track... ZL1 is faster around.

The GT500 has piss poor brakes and too narrow tires to compete with the ZL1 on a road course. If you want a faster/quicker car in the street without modding, the GT500 is faster/quicker... marginally. They both make great power and you'll be happy either way.

Don't let the fan boy talk you down... A GT500 is not... just a mustang.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:56 PM   #20
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I turned down the Mustang GT 500 after driving it. For one, too flashy, looked more like a hot wheels car than I liked. Too nose heavy. It drove okay but I could tell it just didn't feel as if I'd enjoy a long trip in it. Rode very stiff on all settings. Have to say it does have raw power in all gears.
So I am over that and back to searching for the right Camaro.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:18 PM   #21
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If you pay the same price for a gt500 as a ZL1 then you are getting a stripped down Gt500 without the SVT package and SVT plus package which is standard on the ZL1. You have to pay around 62 to 65 to get a gt500 equipped like a basic ZL1
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Did you test drive a base model gt500? They don't come with adjustable shocks.
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:56 AM   #23
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What are you planning to use the car for? Daily driver, weekend cruiser, track days, drag strip, etc.? Both cars are great daily drivers and unless you plan to spend a lot of time doing track events, the ZL1 magnetic ride is overkill and the SVT performance pack is unnecessary. Likewise the Recaros unless you just think they are cool.

I own both and can honestly say the GT500 is the more fun car to drive, overall, than my ZL1. Of course, hundreds will now post after me explaining all the reasons I am wrong in my opinion (like an opinion can even be wrong!), but it is my experience.
I have not driven a new gt500 but would probably agree it would be more fun. 662hp, tail happy, live axle.
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Old 07-02-2013, 11:58 AM   #24
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The local Ford Dealer has a base 2014 GT500 Shelby.
But why would anyone want a base GT500? Everyone I know would definitely want the SVT and track packages (with the 2-position adjustable Bilstein shocks, Thorsen diff, oil+trans+diff coolers, etcetera). Add them and the optional Recaros and the cost of a GT500 is severa; thousands more than a ZL1 (even with the gas guzzler tax on the ZL1).
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I turned down the Mustang GT 500 after driving it. For one, too flashy, looked more like a hot wheels car than I liked. Too nose heavy. It drove okay but I could tell it just didn't feel as if I'd enjoy a long trip in it. Rode very stiff on all settings. Have to say it does have raw power in all gears.
So I am over that and back to searching for the right Camaro.
just keep searching. don't tell dealers you did not like the GT500 tell them you loved it and make them match the price.

in my case it was me threating to buy a GT500 that got the dealership to go supplier price last summer.

the closer the 2014's get to the ground the less 2013's are worth.
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