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Old 06-24-2013, 06:54 PM   #120
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What an awesome thread. A lot of people just look at headers as a way to get rid of exhaust restrictions....they forget about the importance of the geometry on scavenging. Keep up the good work, its great to see a vendor taking some time out of their day to make a valuable addition to the forum
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:42 PM   #121
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What an awesome thread. A lot of people just look at headers as a way to get rid of exhaust restrictions....they forget about the importance of the geometry on scavenging. Keep up the good work, its great to see a vendor taking some time out of their day to make a valuable addition to the forum
Thanks, will do.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:37 AM   #122
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Glad it helped. That is why I write these threads.
Awesome Chase - thanks so much. So, if I am understanding what you wrote correctly the Tri Y design will produce more HP gains in the lower and mid RPM range? The new Pfadt's may be producing more gain through out the entire range to boot?

Since these will be more expensive the question then is are these gains real world gains you can notice, or just a few HP to boost bragging rights waving a dyno sheet around? I saw something on CAI's once and they said you'd need about a 10% or more HP gain to notice a difference. Not sure how accurate that statement is, but it was out there.

In any event, I plan on doing headers next season for sure. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for more about these. They do sound like they offer some advantages.
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:24 PM   #123
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Awesome Chase - thanks so much. So, if I am understanding what you wrote correctly the Tri Y design will produce more HP gains in the lower and mid RPM range? The new Pfadt's may be producing more gain through out the entire range to boot?

Since these will be more expensive the question then is are these gains real world gains you can notice, or just a few HP to boost bragging rights waving a dyno sheet around? I saw something on CAI's once and they said you'd need about a 10% or more HP gain to notice a difference. Not sure how accurate that statement is, but it was out there.

In any event, I plan on doing headers next season for sure. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread for more about these. They do sound like they offer some advantages.
Correct. Tri-Y headers typically produce more low-mid range torque and horsepower while long tubes produce more peak HP. Price wise, the Pfadt headers are in line with the brand name American made long tube headers that are available so there is no reason to bother with that line of thought. I would not agree with the assertion that you will not feel anything less than a 10% gain. You will certainly feel that big of a gain but if it takes that much for you to feel it you do not know your car very well.
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Old 07-01-2013, 04:52 PM   #124
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I was answering a question in another thread and snapped a quick photo of a Kooks (top), Stainless Works (middle), and ARH (bottom) drivers side header for comparison sake. Though this might be a good place to post it as well.


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Old 07-01-2013, 06:02 PM   #125
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I think this is the most constructive thread out here.....
It is very simple but interesting to see the three headers laying next to each other....
They are different in many ways....

Then I looked at Texas Speed and yet another design.....
Very interesting.....
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:21 PM   #126
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I was answering a question in another thread and snapped a quick photo of a Kooks (top), Stainless Works (middle), and ARH (bottom) drivers side header for comparison sake. Though this might be a good place to post it as well.

Chase it would've been nice if you took the wrapping off our collectors to show the difference. Anyone that knows anything about headers will notice a few distinct differences between the three designs pictured and not just from the collectors. Take a close look at primary length and routing as an example. It is radically different. This is why all headers are not created equal.

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Old 07-01-2013, 08:21 PM   #127
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Chase it would've been nice if you took the wrapping off our collectors to show the difference. Anyone that knows anything about headers will notice a few distinct differences between the three designs pictured and not just from the collectors. Take a close look at primary length and routing as an example. It is radically different. This is why all headers are not created equal.

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It wasn't relevant to the point that was being made in the other thread and I didn't see any reason to destroy packaging. I have something else in the works that will cover some of the things you mentioned in more detail.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:01 PM   #128
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I think this is the most constructive thread out here.....
It is very simple but interesting to see the three headers laying next to each other....
They are different in many ways....

Then I looked at Texas Speed and yet another design.....
Very interesting.....
Glad you have found it helpful. I have more that I will be adding as soon as I get a chance to put it together.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:44 PM   #129
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Great Post!

I was very happy with my JBA 1 7/8" Long Tubes and they had a V-band connection to the mid-pipes. They are built from 409SS but I always get ceramic coated so 304vs409 means nothing really to me. I love the Kooks products and ARH but they are out of my price range.

I have attached an image so you can compare the JBA DR side.
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Old 07-25-2013, 04:29 PM   #130
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Great Post!

I was very happy with my JBA 1 7/8" Long Tubes and they had a V-band connection to the mid-pipes. They are built from 409SS but I always get ceramic coated so 304vs409 means nothing really to me. I love the Kooks products and ARH but they are out of my price range.

I have attached an image so you can compare the JBA DR side.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:33 PM   #131
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I have a question. I have a 2010 ss Camaro and I want to put Borla long tube headers on it. I currently have a Cat back borla but the headers will get rid of the cat. If i put on the headers will i need a tune or will the car run well. I know the check engine light will be on but other than that?
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:07 PM   #132
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I have a question. I have a 2010 ss Camaro and I want to put Borla long tube headers on it. I currently have a Cat back borla but the headers will get rid of the cat. If i put on the headers will i need a tune or will the car run well. I know the check engine light will be on but other than that?
To be honest, you can get a much better set of headers for your money. Borla makes nice exhaust systems but their headers are not very good. I would recommend looking elsewhere. Your car will run without a tune but you are leaving a lot of performance on the table (and adding power is what going to LT headers is all about) and you are playing with fire when you drive around with your CEL on.
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To be honest, you can get a much better set of headers for your money. Borla makes nice exhaust systems but their headers are not very good. I would recommend looking elsewhere. Your car will run without a tune but you are leaving a lot of performance on the table (and adding power is what going to LT headers is all about) and you are playing with fire when you drive around with your CEL on.
Im deciding between the 1 7/8 Kooks Lt headers with high flow cats and x pipe or 1 7/8 american racing headers with high flow cats and x pipe whats your opinion with price and performance ?
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Old 07-27-2013, 08:25 AM   #134
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Im deciding between the 1 7/8 Kooks Lt headers with high flow cats and x pipe or 1 7/8 american racing headers with high flow cats and x pipe whats your opinion with price and performance ?
The good news is that you can not make a wrong decision between those two. In terms of quality and performance they are almost identical. Price is really the only factor of any significance.
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Pfadt headers/cats arrived yesterday afternoon, very nice. Going on today, taking it to a friend who has a lift, will start another thread w/pics.
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Old 07-27-2013, 04:13 PM   #136
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Pfadt headers/cats arrived yesterday afternoon, very nice. Going on today, taking it to a friend who has a lift, will start another thread w/pics.
Awesome! Can't wait to read your thread.
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