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Old 07-03-2013, 07:34 AM   #26
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Some how I don't think the GM engineers used as Mercedes as one of the Camaro's benchmarks
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:53 AM   #27
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I always get a kick when people quite Wikipedia as fact. Anyways the challenger, mustang, firebird and camaro started the pony car class to go with the charger, torino, gto and chevelle ss muscle cars. Like I said, that those cars are gone, charger turned into a 4door sedan, didn't automatically bump the pony cars up a class...

Edit: I forgot the amc javelin to go with the rebel machine. I think Oldsmobile was the only one who didn't make a pony car to go along with the 442. Point is they don't "fall" in the pony car class. They created the class along with the mustang and the others cars mentioned...
Looks like he quoted Merriam- Webster, not wiki..
Regardless, his question still stands unanswered. What makes those cars you mentioned muscle cars? Horsepower? Chassis size? Cubic inches?
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:27 AM   #28
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Looks like he quoted Merriam- Webster, not wiki..
Regardless, his question still stands unanswered. What makes those cars you mentioned muscle cars? Horsepower? Chassis size? Cubic inches?
It looks that way. But the link to his quote is from wiki.. and that same page pretty much answered his question. The sentence after the one he quoted actually starts of with "a large v8 is fitted...." And to top it off the same page he quoted has a list a couple paragraphs down of manufacturers and their pony cars next to their muscle cars. Same cars I had mentioned. These aren't large v8s. A large v8 fitted into a midsize frame intended to go fast and straight is a muscle car. Descended from the hot rods. I don't count the Shelby or zl1 as a blower will make even a v4 fast. Like I said before the 392 challenger and the 7 litter z28 might arguably fall into muscle car category. But not a v6 camaro. Regulations did away with the large v8s. Just like they're about to do away with these v8s. True muscle cars are long gone.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:38 AM   #29
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:43 AM   #30
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I ate an apple the other day, and it wasn't as tasty as the orange I ate last week.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:47 AM   #31
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:02 AM   #32
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Maybe you should just trade over to a Cadillac or something...the Camaro is the sports car. I agree though my 13' 2SS is pretty comfy.
My 2SS had a softer ride than my Cadillac
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:20 AM   #33
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I feel that way. Thats why I own both an Audi and the Camaro. Audi for comfort and Camaro for annihilation. I still prefer the Camaro over the Audi though for daily driving duties.
Heh, that's where I'm going with cars too. Audi for a daily driver (Audi Q5), and my weekend fun car is going to be either a ZL1 or the Stingray (haven't decided for sure yet).
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:55 PM   #34
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:45 PM   #35
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Part of what the OP is experiencing is a level of body rigidity that the Germans have mastered.

Historically, and GM has improved significantly with the ATS, GM has had less body rigidity that has had to been made up for with a very stiff chassis. The Germans (BMW for example) have had more stiff bodies that did not require the chassis stiffness or tire stiffness for that matter. This made for some differences in how the cars rode.

There is a reason why German cars have always had that chassis "thump" that feels so much more solid than American cars.

That being said, with Alpha you see what GM can do in this regard.
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