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Old 06-30-2013, 03:50 PM   #276
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So it's been three weeks since the current HSA Disable method was discovered. Are there any updates as to how it's working?

Bearing in-mind that this is a sensor replacement and not a Control Module replacement, internally, GM is strongly discouraging the swapping of control modules because of complications that may arise due to the implementation of GM's Global A Electrical Architecture security features.

There is more information available than I can provide, however here is a GM TechLink Article on the subject.

Global A Electrical Architecture Security Overview

Does anyone know of any implications a sensor swap may or may not have?
I read the article and no mention of the Yaw Sensor.... It also sounds like the symptoms would appear almost immediately... I installed mine a week ago... not a single problem so far and no HSA !!

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Old 06-30-2013, 10:43 PM   #277
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So it's been three weeks since the current HSA Disable method was discovered. Are there any updates as to how it's working?

Bearing in-mind that this is a sensor replacement and not a Control Module replacement, internally, GM is strongly discouraging the swapping of control modules because of complications that may arise due to the implementation of GM's Global A Electrical Architecture security features.

There is more information available than I can provide, however here is a GM TechLink Article on the subject.

Global A Electrical Architecture Security Overview

Does anyone know of any implications a sensor swap may or may not have?
My car has been working beautifully since replacing the sensor. It's nice not worrying about HSA screwing me up on a hill
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:36 AM   #278
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So it's been three weeks since the current HSA Disable method was discovered. Are there any updates as to how it's working?

Bearing in-mind that this is a sensor replacement and not a Control Module replacement, internally, GM is strongly discouraging the swapping of control modules because of complications that may arise due to the implementation of GM's Global A Electrical Architecture security features.

There is more information available than I can provide, however here is a GM TechLink Article on the subject.

Global A Electrical Architecture Security Overview

Does anyone know of any implications a sensor swap may or may not have?
The Global Architecture Security is specific to the 7 primary control modules in the vehicle. Replacing any of the listed control modules would result in a no-start situation until the newly installed module is flashed to the VIN of the vehicle.

Luckily that does not apply to any of the multitude of sensors in the vehicle. It's been 24 days since my Yaw-Sensor install, with no issues.
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:27 AM   #279
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I read the article and no mention of the Yaw Sensor.... It also sounds like the symptoms would appear almost immediately... I installed mine a week ago... not a single problem so far and no HSA !!

I read it too and I agree. Also if you bought a new, never install component it should self learn from the car at startup. If the part was used and already keyed to another car's VIN then that is what the article seems to address. So buy only new and all will be good. Mine goes in this week.

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Old 07-02-2013, 10:03 AM   #280
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its been almost three weeks for me since i did the swap and there have not been any issues
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:31 AM   #281
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Just a thought, but from my reading on this HSA thread and others, didn't one say that if you went to start out in 2nd gear it didn't activate? If so then could there be a switch for the HSA that when it senses the vehicle in first gear then it starts the HSA? Disabling that switch would only effect the HSA and nothing else in the system. Just thinking out loud here.
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Old 07-05-2013, 08:47 AM   #282
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Just a thought, but from my reading on this HSA thread and others, didn't one say that if you went to start out in 2nd gear it didn't activate? If so then could there be a switch for the HSA that when it senses the vehicle in first gear then it starts the HSA? Disabling that switch would only effect the HSA and nothing else in the system. Just thinking out loud here.
Read #221, he switched the sensor out from the auto which obviously doesn't have HSA. Said it works like a champ! I like the HSA now that I'm use to it. No rolling backwards or need for the handbrake.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:03 AM   #283
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Read #221, he switched the sensor out from the auto which obviously doesn't have HSA. Said it works like a champ! I like the HSA now that I'm use to it. No rolling backwards or need for the handbrake.

I understand that but for those of us that are cheap and not wanting to spend the money, I thought that maybe there was a defeat somewhere with a switch that indicates you are in first gear.
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Old 07-05-2013, 10:40 AM   #284
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That was the early and somewhat wishful thinking. There probably still is a defeat in there somehow, but I think you'd at least be doing things like re-printing the circuit board that all those other things sit on.


Although it might be possible to rig a switch or a relay and rewire the backup lights to fool the HSA into thinking you're in reverse when you aren't, while keeping the lights from illuminating . . . you might have to remember where it was last set unless you get really creative.


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Old 07-05-2013, 01:55 PM   #285
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I've had no issues with my HSA, as soon as I see it come up I've hit the traction control button and it turns off. I did notice if I just run with traction control off the HSA still shows up
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:22 PM   #286
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I've had mine for a week, been driving stick cars for 30 years. My driveway is steep enough that if I stop and put it in first the HSA will activate. Have not had any issues using it, take foot off brake, apply a little gas, start releasing clutch and it takes off just fine, no kill's at all. Its was very easy to get used to. The thing that will kill it is if you are used to starting the old way, which was take foot off brake, immediately on gas and release clutch at same time, you will kill the motor. If you try to do it in a hurry, it won't work, that's why they designed it the way it is.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:31 PM   #287
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But that's not the natural way for an experienced driver to drive under many forseeable situations in traffic, and anything that can get in the way of an experienced driver (like this can) is pretty much by definition not fully thought out. "Muscle memory" can be a powerful influence, and this situation is no exception.

Never mind what might happen at some point if you still have one or more other manual transmission cars that don't have this - you'd never be able to give up the "old way" completely.

It still comes back to the system that is acceptable to everybody being the system that lets you shut it completely off just like you can do with TC.


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Old 07-06-2013, 09:12 AM   #288
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I've had mine for a week, been driving stick cars for 30 years. My driveway is steep enough that if I stop and put it in first the HSA will activate. Have not had any issues using it, take foot off brake, apply a little gas, start releasing clutch and it takes off just fine, no kill's at all. Its was very easy to get used to. The thing that will kill it is if you are used to starting the old way, which was take foot off brake, immediately on gas and release clutch at same time, you will kill the motor. If you try to do it in a hurry, it won't work, that's why they designed it the way it is.
If somebody has been driving stick more than 10 minutes they would hate this stupid thing. It's on my silverado and I hate it. And it's a automatic. It even locks up the trailer brakes.
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Old 07-06-2013, 04:50 PM   #289
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I've had no issues with my HSA, as soon as I see it come up I've hit the traction control button and it turns off. I did notice if I just run with traction control off the HSA still shows up
Pressing the TC button does not deactivate my HSA.
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:24 PM   #290
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If you hate it (Like I Did!!!), it's just 80 bucks and less than an hour of your time to make the annoying nanny go away for ever!!! I just didn't appreciate a system that couldn't be shut off when I don't want it and I definitely don't need it!
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Old 07-07-2013, 06:07 AM   #291
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No doubt that if I had a '13 m6 camaro it would be my very first mod. Buying the a6 sensor is a no brainer IMO.
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