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Old 07-06-2013, 09:19 PM   #18
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Wow mustang is doing well for a 10 year old platform.
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Yep. This is not good. Time to start rolling out the rebates.
My guess is the aging Mustang is being heavily discounted. And yes the Camaro needs to start being discounted (and probably will be after these numbers).
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:30 PM   #19
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If the Challenger continues at the rate that it's going, it will catch up to Camaro sales at some point early next year if you go by the Trending chart.
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+1 for Challenger

Have a Camaro 2010, got a 2013 Challenger end of March and really enjoy the car alot Dodge has a good thing going with the Challenger no matter what anyone says.
My guess is the increase in Challenger sales is due to its near demise.
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:20 PM   #20
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2013 refresh on the Mustang was definitely beneficial to Ford. When you think about it, it comes standard with HID headlights and LED tail lights on every trim level, something Chevy makes you pay extra for in the RS package.

I the saw on another article that challenger was used in the new fast and furious movie? I didn't see the movie, but maybe that has something to do with the big jump in sales, as dumb as it sounds?

Camaro sales make sense after mention of the '14 refresh
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Old 07-06-2013, 10:26 PM   #21
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I think it is funny that just a few years ago some were claiming this segment to be a dead segment. All we have seen is steady sales increase for this market segment and really no sign that it will stop in the near future. Chevy and Dodge getting back into this segment has really ignited the love for the pony cars (muscle car in the case of the Dodge).
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:08 PM   #22
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I've noticed a lot more Camaro commercials in the past month, lower sales is the reason for that.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:28 PM   #23
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This is what the 14' Camaro refresh was for. Ford is coming out with a new stang in less than a year. The 2013 refresh on the mustang was a big gamble and it worked. Sales prove it. Let's see how it does.
GM hopes the refresh works. Even though I dislike the refresh and think they took a step backwards, I hope they are able to re-gain the lead.
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:37 AM   #24
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Something tells me that people are reading into this way more then there is to read....
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:06 AM   #25
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2013 refresh on the Mustang was definitely beneficial to Ford. When you think about it, it comes standard with HID headlights and LED tail lights on every trim level, something Chevy makes you pay extra for in the RS package.

I the saw on another article that challenger was used in the new fast and furious movie? I didn't see the movie, but maybe that has something to do with the big jump in sales, as dumb as it sounds?

Camaro sales make sense after mention of the '14 refresh
The mustang also has track apps as does the Challenger. The camaro has no equivalent for that.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:41 AM   #26
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This thing about one brand gaining market share over another , is a great thing for everyone ( consumers ) , this will keep the 3 bros going at each other to do better than the other
And us , the consumer only gain with that , otherwise the number one would have to do nothing , and just push cars out of the plants

The more changes on the leading brand sales the better
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:41 AM   #27
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Right now Dodge has several promotions going on the 2013 models. You can walk in and see up to 5k off the sticker with little effort. I'm betting that the price point is now competitive and their sales are now turning good numbers.

Challengers are also getting more retro options in 2014. If you like the old shaker hood, you'll be able to get that in 2014 along with some of the old school decal themes. The only shame is that with such a beautiful car, Dodge has yet to provide it with a drivetrain and suspension that competes with us and the blue oval boys. I actually saw a Challenger RT get smoked by a V6 Mustang. Ouch.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:27 AM   #28
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Something tells me that people are reading into this way more then there is to read....
The $$$$ are in the charts.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:28 PM   #29
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The $$$$ are in the charts.
Not saying that we may see the start of a new trend or anything, however if you look at the chart around this time of the year it is normal for the Mustang to out sell the Camaro.

Really the big change in trends has been with the Dodge moving further and further up market.

We still do not know how many Camaros were produced, and we never look at the incentives offered on any of the three cars.
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:38 PM   #30
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In my area I can get $3,000 off a Dodge Challenger, $1,500 off on a Mustang, and $1,500 off on the Camaro (based on their website and a zip code in the South Bay Southern California).
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with the 15 mustang getting closer, you'd think the mustang sales would be lackluster. such a huge change for next year (supposedly) across the board for the mustang and they are kicking the camaros ass. Camaro prices are higher but you get more for your money (i know this firsthand) maybe the camaro needs to be dumbed down further to grab the lower end ? maybe when the 15 mustang comes out their price will be in line with the camaro?
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Old 07-07-2013, 02:51 PM   #32
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with the 15 mustang getting closer, you'd think the mustang sales would be lackluster. such a huge change for next year (supposedly) across the board for the mustang and they are kicking the camaros ass. Camaro prices are higher but you get more for your money (i know this firsthand) maybe the camaro needs to be dumbed down further to grab the lower end ? maybe when the 15 mustang comes out their price will be in line with the camaro?
Like I have said before, this is WAY too early to make any of the judgements that you have made in this post. What is wrong with waiting for more information before we make a call on exactly what is going on....
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with the 15 mustang getting closer, you'd think the mustang sales would be lackluster. such a huge change for next year (supposedly) across the board for the mustang and they are kicking the camaros ass. Camaro prices are higher but you get more for your money (i know this firsthand) maybe the camaro needs to be dumbed down further to grab the lower end ? maybe when the 15 mustang comes out their price will be in line with the camaro?
How do you get more for your money? HID and LED taillights are standard on all mustangs. Not $1350 extra. The mustang also tends to price out cheaper, have bigger incentives, and a bigger margin between invoice and MSRP so you can always get it for less. The interior is also of higher quality although the interior layout on the camaro is much better. Both the mustang and Challenger have track apps of which the camaro has no equivalent.

The only thing that made me buy the camaro is I have always been a camaro fan and love the styling. The Tremec in the camaro is of much higher quality than the Chinese made MT82 in the stang and I wanted a manual. The camaro comes with brembos all around. Finally, I am a big fan of the LS3 engine.

However, the fact that the camaro was more expensive and how tightly integrated Onstar spyware is into the car I thought long and hard about getting a mustang instead.
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