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Old 07-05-2013, 04:23 PM   #51
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What RWHP are you basing that on?

A Stock Z06 with 335 rear tires and 450 to 500 pounds less mass to launch is a high 11 second car.

I don't think a ZL1 with an automatic even comes close to being an 11 second car and the Z/28 will only be 300 pounds lighter than that car. Isn't a Stock ZL1 running about 12?

You must be hoping for some big HP improvements in the LS7. The very slight mass reduction sure isn't going to shave a second off.
the record for a stock z06 with stock tires is a 10.9x
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...fast-list.html with mid to low 11's being the norm where i live with the drivers i know personally.

a high 11 is very realistic for the z28 at 505 fwhp with the driver mod. Then again, I'm from texas, with good DA's. If you're granny shifting, ofcourse it'll be a twelve second car.. or even a 13.

I ran 11.6x in my old ls1 at 470'ish rwhp through an auto peddling the 2-3 shift. Car weighed 3550-3650 with me in it.

zl1's are capable of 11's
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:28 PM   #52
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With an auto swap you might just as well peel the Z/28 badges off while you're at it.


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nothing wrong with a autoswap to run decent times at a drag strip.

Its been done to zr1's and z06's with fantastic results, and there will be the few that will do it.

Drop in a built RPM 4l80 with a custom stall and run 11's all day.

Too each their own i suppose.
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the record for a stock z06 with stock tires is a 10.9x
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-z...fast-list.html with mid to low 11's being the norm where i live with the drivers i know personally.

a high 11 is very realistic for the z28 at 505 fwhp with the driver mod. Then again, I'm from texas, with good DA's. If you're granny shifting, ofcourse it'll be a twelve second car.. or even a 13.

I ran 11.6x in my old ls1 at 470'ish rwhp through an auto peddling the 2-3 shift. Car weighed 3550-3650 with me in it.

zl1's are capable of 11's
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...1E2SVdWd3lkOUE
I was just quoting magazine numbers. But running 11s. Is way different than 11 flat which caused my comment.

By the way are the Z06s bone stock running mid 11s?
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Old 07-05-2013, 04:38 PM   #54
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I was just quoting magazine numbers. But running 11s. Is way different than 11 flat which caused my comment.

By the way are the Z06s bone stock running mid 11s?
i meant 11.xx second in general, not 11 flat.

I know three people locally that run 11's in stock z06's. Not consistent, but PB's were in the 11's.
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With an auto swap you might just as well peel the Z/28 badges off while you're at it.
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My SS is an auto (built 4L80e); I donít know why everyone is always talking down about autos at the strip. My times are always consistent (6.60 in the 1/8th on 20in wheels with a 1.50 60ft time) while my manual buddies are all over the place.

I would be willing to bet that GM makes an automatic version of the Z/28 just like they did the SS, and I doubt anyone will be taking the badges off it
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My SS is an auto (built 4L80e); I don’t know why everyone is always talking down about autos at the strip. My times are always consistent (6.60 in the 1/8th on 20in wheels with a 1.50 60ft time) while my manual buddies are all over the place.

I would be willing to bet that GM makes an automatic version of the Z/28 just like they did the SS, and I doubt anyone will be taking the badges off it
His comment has nothing to do with automatics good or bad at the drags.

The Z/28 is going to be a raw drivers car...as it was from the start. It was born with only a manual and this new Z/28 is already said to be manual only. Most anyone buying a new Z/28 is looking for a track ready car. Yes some will 1/4 mile it, but that is not its purpose.
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I will say this....running anything with an LS7 down a 1/4 mile or around any track would be a blast.
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Well . . . I guess you could make the U-turn onto the return road sooner and faster than just about anything else that showed up . . .


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Old 07-05-2013, 07:11 PM   #59
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A pretty solid performance and probably driver aided from practice and experience. Just not sure how a Z/28 beats you and your car by another .8 seconds with 300 pounds being the only advantage.

If you want a drag car that is what the COPO was built for. The Z/28 was built for the less straight track.
I agree. I think the torque of the LSA over the LS7 is going to offset any weight loss the Z/28 has over the ZL1 in 1/4 mile. I have driven both the LS7 and obviously my LSA and while the LS7 does wind higher and is fun to drive, the LSA feels to me as if it pulls stronger up to redline through the first 4 gears. Just my personal experience and by no means is scientific.
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If you want a drag car that is what the COPO was built for. The Z/28 was built for the less straight track.
This, exactly.

I doubt that any of the corner-carvers ever talked about modding the COPO away from its stated purpose to suit their preferences, or the Cobra Jet either for that matter . . . I know I didn't and never would have.


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My SS is an auto (built 4L80e); I donít know why everyone is always talking down about autos at the strip. My times are always consistent (6.60 in the 1/8th on 20in wheels with a 1.50 60ft time) while my manual buddies are all over the place.

I would be willing to bet that GM makes an automatic version of the Z/28 just like they did the SS, and I doubt anyone will be taking the badges off it
This has nothing to do with automatics and drag racing. This is about road racing so an automatic doesn't make sense for the Z/28 and it would be stupid for GM to add an auto for the Z/28.
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Its not a simple percentage, but that is a much more accurate rule of thumb than a static figure is.

You are probably thinking of the power that it takes to accelerate a wheel or drive shaft, and its true that these things take only a fixed amount of power to be accelerated (until you swap them out for something different of course). But the instant that they are up to speed, they no longer rob anything of any power (and they also 'release' power as you try and decelerate). This does not hold true for the gears in the transmission & differential, or the half-shafts going out to the wheels, or the bearings or tire flex any of the other sources of friction. Those losses can be approximated as a percentage of input power, though in reality its a somewhat complex curve that depends on a number of factors. Point being, if you run your car stock on a chassis dyno and calculate that it lost 55 hp ... don't assume that after you've supercharged it its still only losing 55 hp.
I'm not going to ruin this already awesome thread any more but there is no percentage, period.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:52 AM   #63
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A pretty solid performance and probably driver aided from practice and experience. Just not sure how a Z/28 beats you and your car by another .8 seconds with 300 pounds being the only advantage.

If you want a drag car that is what the COPO was built for. The Z/28 was built for the less straight track.
The Z/28 is being built for fast drivers, and 300 lbs is not the only advantage. The Z/28 also has less unsprung rotating weight on the axles so it takes less hp to get rolling. It probably has better aerodynamics. But then it's SPECIFICALLY designed and configured for road course so whatever it may do in the 1/4 is a dining table statistic and of no real interest to its intended market.
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The COPO is not street legal and cannot be registered or insured for street use. It's a true race car. I know it will never happen; but if GM offered an auto in the Z/28 I would buy one in a heartbeat. Even with the added weight of the auto those weight reduction mods would pay also pay dividends in the 1/4 mile.
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That's an 11.76 1/4..if anyone cares...
with YOU driving? eh?
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All of you who want to take the new Z/28 to the drag strip better have some money set aside for rearend repairs.
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All of you who want to take the new Z/28 to the drag strip better have some money set aside for rearend repairs.
I don't think it's that inferior. Unless that's your primary reason for buying it...and that would be disturbing...
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We ran a 1LE-based Gen-4 Firebird with a supercharged AFR-headed 383 LT1 (490 RWHP) for 5 seasons and 25,000 One Lap miles on the Australian rear axle, before it finally broke. NO R-compound or DR-type tires and about 25 TOTAL 1/4-mile runs. It was then upgraded to a Chev 12-bolt (lighter and less friction loss than a Ford 9").

The 1LE carrier and axles are stronger than the old Aussie log axle...but it is NOT as robust (or heavy) as the ZL1 set-up, which must handle almost 20% more torque than the Z06-tuned LS7.

AGAIN...when GM refers to "Z/28 track performance", they are SPECIFICALLY speaking about road course action (without static or Le Mans-type starts!).

Will a Z/28 acquaint itself well at the strip? Probably...but that is NOT its intended environment...

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We ran a 1LE-based Gen-4 Firebird with a supercharged AFR-headed 383 LT1 (490 RWHP) for 5 seasons and 25,000 One Lap miles on the Australian rear axle, before it finally broke. NO R-compound or DR-type tires and about 25 TOTAL 1/4-mile runs. It was then upgraded to a Chev 12-bolt (lighter and less friction loss than a Ford 9").

The 1LE carrier and axles are stronger than the old Aussie log axle...but it is NOT as robust (or heavy) as the ZL1 set-up, which must handle almost 20% more torque than the Z06-tuned LS7.

AGAIN...when GM refers to "Z/28 track performance", they are SPECIFICALLY speaking about road course action (without static or Le Mans-type starts!).

Will a Z/28 acquaint itself well at the strip? Probably...but that is NOT its intended environment...

fwiw...
Exactly! Just like the first gen. Z/28 was designed with track/road courses in mind for it's intended environment and not the drag strip. And some people were able to make the first gen. Z/28 a great drag car is spite of it's purpose built function of being a road course car, that too is likely to happen with the fifth gen. Z/28, but that is totally outside of it's original design and intended function.
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A pretty solid performance and probably driver aided from practice and experience. Just not sure how a Z/28 beats you and your car by another .8 seconds with 300 pounds being the only advantage.

If you want a drag car that is what the COPO was built for. The Z/28 was built for the less straight track.
11 second car only means it is running somewhere in the 11's that phrase doesn't mean 11.00 on the time slip.
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3 things that the Z/28 has going for it vs other factory production LS7s.

1. the cold air intake.
Even though the accordian tube is still going to be restrictive, it has an open element air filter with a heat shield.

2. EPS
Electric power steering has shown some impressive gains over '12 SS LS3 cars.
My '13 LS3 car baselined 19 RWHP and 22RWTQ over my '12 SS. Same dyno except the '13 got dynoed on an even warmer day!

3.Exhaust
That View of the LS7 that shows the 427 Camaro injector covers definitely has a tri-Y design manifold or shorty header. Waaaay different than the cast iron manifolds that come on the LS3 and LSA cars. If that manifold/shorty header design makes it to production that will help tremendously over previous manifolds.

Those 3 things will make this LS7 more powerful than previous production LS7s. If they rate it at 505 and 470 it will be underrated.
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The Z/28 is being built for fast drivers, and 300 lbs is not the only advantage. The Z/28 also has less unsprung rotating weight on the axles so it takes less hp to get rolling. It probably has better aerodynamics. But then it's SPECIFICALLY designed and configured for road course so whatever it may do in the 1/4 is a dining table statistic and of no real interest to its intended market.
Don't argue with Doc about unsprung weight....lol...
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