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Old 07-08-2013, 09:58 AM   #51
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I think it is funny that just a few years ago some were claiming this segment to be a dead segment. All we have seen is steady sales increase for this market segment and really no sign that it will stop in the near future. Chevy and Dodge getting back into this segment has really ignited the love for the pony cars (muscle car in the case of the Dodge).

Can't you read? Sales are down.

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Old 07-08-2013, 10:18 AM   #52
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Maybe mustang owners want THIS generation before it moves on to a fusion/evos styled "eurostang", hence the surge in sales.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:39 AM   #53
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I the saw on another article that challenger was used in the new fast and furious movie? I didn't see the movie, but maybe that has something to do with the big jump in sales, as dumb as it sounds?
No dumber than the Camaro being in those horrible Transformer movies.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:43 AM   #54
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either way, its not good for the Camaro..Year to year sales are down and YTD sales as with mon/month. I really doubt that people are waiting for the '14 refresh to hit the streets!!
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:26 PM   #55
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Ford always has a big bump in the middle of every year, but lags overall. I've heard they pull some tricks with the numbers having to do with fleet sales or something. Expect them to drop again like every year. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the 2014 Camaro facelift vs. the 2015 Mustang redesign. We may see some back and forth for the next several years. Should be good for customers of both brands.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:09 PM   #56
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The June returns throw me off for this reason, Chevy and Camaro had record pace car and parade car
exposure at Indy and every racing event I watched. The parade of Indy drivers was all matching camaro convertibles,white with dual blue stripes (66 Shelby GT350 dress). Chevy put more money in racing promotions in the second quarter of 2013 than any sponsor I can recall. Chevy engines and teams ran well at Indy and NASCAR all May and June. Where is the pay-off? Mustang, in this environment, leads by 2000 units in a 30 day month. Makes no sense relative to "advertising pays." Something else is going on other than rebates. I have priced a new GT and rebate or no they want $9K
more than I paid for the 07GT. That ain't giving them away. That 07 GT reduced my cash on hand a fair bit.
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:17 PM   #57
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Camaro is still around 10% higher overall since they started shipping in 2009.


Although add up all the mustangs sold for all the years the Camaro was out of game and we would have game over.


Does anyone know how many Camaros and Mustangs have been produced since the beginning. That would be the real winner.
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:52 PM   #58
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Maybe mustang owners want THIS generation before it moves on to a fusion/evos styled "eurostang", hence the surge in sales.


This is very true. I just a GT500 for that same reason. I really wanted a Ruby Red ZL1 but the 14's aren't out yet. I did not like the pre 14 taillights on the Camaro but I loved the front end. So I got the Mustang before they start "ecoboosting" them.
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This is very true. I just a GT500 for that same reason. I really wanted a Ruby Red ZL1 but the 14's aren't out yet. I did not like the pre 14 taillights on the Camaro but I loved the front end. So I got the Mustang before they start "ecoboosting" them.
That's badazz. I think the 13-14 Mustang styling is the best yet. I love them. I can't wait for the 6th Gen Camaros. I am thinking about either trading off my garage queen for a 14 GT 500 or waiting for the 6th Gen as I'm just not a fan of the 5th.
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Old 07-09-2013, 01:23 PM   #60
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In response to motorheads request for historic numbers, I am not an expert, but there are few facts i recall from my auto interest reading. Mustang reached 10,000,000 units sold about year two of the S197 (5gen) stang, about 2006. In the same year Corvette hit 1,000,000 units sold. It took vette 41 years that is why I am saying around 2006. There were over 300,000 mustangs sold in 2003 & 2004. A fellow on this web site gave me those numbers, something like 158,000 for 03 and 148,000 for 04. The S197 averaged 160,000 units 2005 and 2006. That 320,000 units in two years (and the Steve McQueen TV ad) is what I believe brought Camaro and Dodge back to the Pony/Muscle car production. In fairness to Camaro their 2009 introduction was into an economy that was collapsed. However, the pent-up demand counted for a lot. In STL, MO there was a $2500 premium on V6 and a $4000 premium on V8 SS and buyers paid it.

I am still surprised Camaro did not show better numbers in June for the motorsport exposure.
I am surprised also by the rise of Challenger. Hey why not? all three of these cars are cool to drive and own. It sets us apart from the 19 out of 20 guys driving front wd v6 minivans and 4 door boring sedans.
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Right now Dodge has several promotions going on the 2013 models. You can walk in and see up to 5k off the sticker with little effort. I'm betting that the price point is now competitive and their sales are now turning good numbers.

Challengers are also getting more retro options in 2014. If you like the old shaker hood, you'll be able to get that in 2014 along with some of the old school decal themes. The only shame is that with such a beautiful car, Dodge has yet to provide it with a drivetrain and suspension that competes with us and the blue oval boys. I actually saw a Challenger RT get smoked by a V6 Mustang. Ouch.
That's BS. Dodge dealers tell you "up to 5-9k" but when you get there that isn't the case. Then when you do qualify for certain discounts they give you below fair price for your trade to make up for it.
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Camaro is still around 10% higher overall since they started shipping in 2009.


Although add up all the mustangs sold for all the years the Camaro was out of game and we would have game over.


Does anyone know how many Camaros and Mustangs have been produced since the beginning. That would be the real winner.
Mustang would take that lead too for overall.
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Interesting that year after year the total sales per year keep edging up.
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Old 07-12-2013, 11:26 AM   #64
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I believe charger sales went up because of the movie, fast and furious 6. It's all over the movie. They even make it believe it can compete with a GTR. WTF ???
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Old 07-29-2013, 08:55 PM   #65
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Price also has a lot to do with it. I just saw an ad on Autonation that has the 2013 Mustang V6 Couple for $17,995 which includes a 3,000 Autonation discount, and a 2,000 Ford Rebate. I just checked the Chevrolet website and the Camaro has none. I also went to the Autonation site for Chevrolet and all their 2013 Camaro V6 Coupes are at 23k without any rebates available. 5k is a lot of money when it comes to that. So I predict the July sales winner will be the Mustang again.
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Old 08-02-2013, 06:53 PM   #66
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Price also has a lot to do with it. I just saw an ad on Autonation that has the 2013 Mustang V6 Couple for $17,995 which includes a 3,000 Autonation discount, and a 2,000 Ford Rebate. I just checked the Chevrolet website and the Camaro has none. I also went to the Autonation site for Chevrolet and all their 2013 Camaro V6 Coupes are at 23k without any rebates available. 5k is a lot of money when it comes to that. So I predict the July sales winner will be the Mustang again.
Never heard of Autonation. Looking to buy 2014 GT. Went there, searched 200 mile
of my zip code. Zero cars found. I wish what you write was true. 014 GTs are last of solid axle pony cars and the best of. Every dealer i visit wants an arm and leg.
$5k in discounts cannot be found in my region.
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