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Old 07-08-2013, 07:16 PM   #26
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:18 PM   #27
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Wow. I'm impressed.
No one cares Chase
I kid. Since GM apparently didn't say 30 mpg, then I think it's more impressive, however I still don't think it is that amazing compared to the LS3.
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Porsche 911 Carrera S.
However, it isn't an apples to apples comparison since the Porsche is an auto and the C7 is a manual. HP goes Stingray, but with a claimed 3.9 sec 0-60 the performance is a wash, and it has 1 mpg city more, but loses 2 on highway. Again, not apples to apples considering the transmissions. The C7 auto should get highway milage close to this.
You can get a manual for the Carrera S. And its 'automatic' is a PDK which is essentially an automated manual, so there isn't really any fuel efficiency lost there.

And they aren't all that close in hp. 400 vs 460 (or 465), thats a 15% difference. Its pretty substantial, and when you consider that the C7 gets better fuel economy ... well, lets just say I'm impressed. With the Stingray. Because no other car that I can think of makes that much power, while being that fuel efficient.
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You can get a manual for the Carrera S. And its 'automatic' is a PDK which is essentially an automated manual, so there isn't really any fuel efficiency lost there.

And they aren't all that close in hp. 400 vs 460 (or 465), thats a 15% difference. Its pretty substantial, and when you consider that the C7 gets better fuel economy ... well, lets just say I'm impressed. With the Stingray. Because no other car that I can think of makes that much power, while being that fuel efficient.
I completely agree. The point though is that in an apples to apples comparison (I was comparing auto vs auto do to the performance numbers) the extra HP isn't really put to much use in 0-60. Unfortunately Porsche doesn't release quarter times because I'm sure the C7 would win there.
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I kid. Since GM apparently didn't say 30 mpg, then I think it's more impressive, however I still don't think it is that amazing compared to the LS3.
The current LS3 equipped Corvette makes 430 HP and gets 26 MPG. The Stingray makes 460 HP and gets 29 MPG. Let me present that another way. They built a V8 that makes more power and they also improved fuel economy by more than 10%. That is pretty solid.
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The current LS3 equipped Corvette makes 430 HP and gets 26 MPG. The Stingray makes 460 HP and gets 29 MPG. Let me present that another way. They built a V8 that makes more power and they also improved fuel economy by more than 10%. That is pretty solid.
I was joking. What people seem to be forgetting is that the LS3 didn't have AFM, and that the LT1 isn't making 460HP from a 3.1L 4 cyl.
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I completely agree. The point though is that in an apples to apples comparison (I was comparing auto vs auto do to the performance numbers) the extra HP isn't really put to much use in 0-60. Unfortunately Porsche doesn't release quarter times because I'm sure the C7 would win there.
I don't understand how you don't think its impressive. You were asked to come up with a similar car and you did the following comparison.

Porsche Carrera S $100,000. 3.6 engine. 400HP. V6.
C7 $50,000. 6.2. ~450HP. V8.

You did say that it isn't apples to apples, but that comparison doesn't really make sense, IMO. The Porsche has a V6 and a smaller displacement. Even then it still comes below on the highway MPG. I personally, now even more, think that the C7 is impressive.

I haven't had the chance to try out a newer automatic car, so I don't know how it shifts. Although if they shift like the 2005 cars and below, I would hate a 7 speed automatic. A 7 speed manual would be fun though
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I don't understand how you don't think its impressive. You were asked to come up with a similar car and you did the following comparison.

Porsche Carrera S $100,000. 3.6 engine. 400HP. V6.
C7 $50,000. 6.2. ~450HP. V8.

You did say that it isn't apples to apples, but that comparison doesn't really make sense, IMO. The Porsche has a V6 and a smaller displacement. Even then it still comes below on the highway MPG. I personally, now even more, think that the C7 is impressive.

I haven't had the chance to try out a newer automatic car, so I don't know how it shifts. Although if they shift like the 2005 cars and below, I would hate a 7 speed automatic. A 7 speed manual would be fun though
DG asked me to find a car with similar performance and similar economy, which I did. He didn't say a V8, or displacement, or price. And as I said, the C7 is much more impressive. The displacement/cylinder argument is invalid due to AFM as I have stated before.
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Autoblog is now reporting up to 30 MPG highway in Eco Mode.
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:05 PM   #37
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I was joking. What people seem to be forgetting is that the LS3 didn't have AFM, and that the LT1 isn't making 460HP from a 3.1L 4 cyl.
Oh, I didn't read anything else in the thread. Just the OP and then made my post.
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Autoblog is now reporting up to 30 MPG highway in Eco Mode.
That 1 MPG makes a big difference (not sarcasm) look at the Camaro 1LS and the 2LS, the 2LS is there to basically break that 30 mpg barrier that seems to be in everyone's minds.
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The EPA figure was derived from averaging the default Tour Mode (28 MPG) and Eco Mode (30 MPG).
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The EPA figure was derived from averaging the default Tour Mode (28 MPG) and Eco Mode (30 MPG).
That's BS. Take the Eco mode results since that's what the effin thing is there for
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That's BS. Take the Eco mode results since that's what the effin thing is there for
They would probably have to make ECO mode the default mode on the car to get credit for it that way.
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They would probably have to make ECO mode the default mode on the car to get credit for it that way.
Isn't the drive selector thing a dial?
Even if it is electronic, I wouldn't mine changing it, because I would have to change it every time I got in the car anyway.
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If the car defaulted to Eco mode every time then they could use the 30 MPG figure.
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Eco mode and vette in the same sentence, what is the world coming to?
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I think 33-35 mpg's will be no problem in real world driving. When I did the power tour in my baby cammed/bolt-on 99 trans am with a 6-speed and 3.42's I was doing 27-28 mpg's with the ac blasting. Guys that I traveled with did 30-32 in there stock vettes so this should do very well IMO.
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EPA rates eco mode @ 30mpg.....tour mode @ 28...this rating is an average of the two.

I don't think some people truly appreciate how difficult it is to increase fuel economy even just one mpg. They improved an average of 3...AND increased hp from 430 to 460 (not to mention the huge torque of the LT1)....this is absolutely incredible.

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It is. In 6 years (intro of LS3) they added 20 hp and 3 MPG highway + 1 MPG city. That's not impressive at all. Imagine if they weren't worrying about increasing MPG? We would see at least 475 HP. The car is very impressive in its design, interior, and handling capabilities.
7% horsepower increase and 11% increase in fuel economy. Yes, what a terrible disappointment
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11% increase on 4 cylinders... 7% on all 8.
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Laguna Blue. It's the way I'm leaning right now.

Because I'll be out of state for 6-8 months, I won't be getting whatever I get until I get back. I am upgrading from my Sonic because I need to be carrying lots of stuff to North Carolina, so both cars are out for the short term. Almost certainly getting an Audi Q5 in the next few days though, which will become my DD.

This works out well because the C7 production will be well underway by then. The difficult decision is then whether to immediately get a Z51, or wait until the Z06 (if that's what they'll call it). I'm very curious to know when they would announce and start taking orders for that.

What's interesting is that I never really felt this way about the C6. I loved the Camaro because it was a looker. This Stingray is as well...and thus the desire to get one. Awesome looking car.
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