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Old 07-10-2013, 07:24 PM   #15
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Now where's my call?

Haha.. Where's the last 47 minutes of my life

Good talking to you bud, that car is going to be a beast.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:27 PM   #16
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I agree with Matt from FSP, it was my car he drove. The heat and humidity in West Fl is brutal right now. Best I have done with my new ZL1 is a 12.5 with most runs in the 12.7s. I also traded in a modded 2010 SS that ran 12.3s. But, that being said I certainly dont regret the swap. On the street my ZL1 is much smoother and faster than my old car. Pretty soon I will be getting Matt to tune my car and add a few go faster goodies, IE meth, headers, and pullys. Need to get into the 11s!
Hahaha... We'll get you there bud. I'd like to slap my set of drag rims on Modern's car and see what it does when we are done. That will give you great insight as to where we will be with yours in the dead heat.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:32 PM   #17
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Haha.. Where's the last 47 minutes of my life

Good talking to you bud, that car is going to be a beast.
Thanks for the call and all the sound advice and knowledge! It's going to be AWESOME!!

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Hahaha... We'll get you there bud. I'd like to slap my set of drag rims on Modern's car and see what it does when we are done. That will give you great insight as to where we will be with yours in the dead heat.
We can do that for sure!!

As long as I can use the timeslip for the MFCC fast list haha!
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:06 PM   #18
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If you beat on the car in 90+ degree temperatures, like drag race it, road race it, or autocross it, the stock intercooler system will have a hard time keeping intake temps down. It still has a lot of power but will not give you all 580 as the timing is retarded as mentioned above. I had the same motor in a CTS-V that I used as a daily driver and never noticed any power loss on public roads. The overall cooling configuration is better on the ZL1 than the CTS-V. I have never experienced any problems in the Camaro on public roads but do not have that many miles.

The intercooler system can be modified to improve this some, there really is no reservoir in the stock set-up and installing more fluid will help some. Putting in a bigger intercooler will help also.

I kind of think that many of the people complaining about the "serious heat soak issues" are changing pulleys and overdriving the supercharger without a compensation in the cooling department. Well, duh, think about it.

It is so easy to get astronomically crazy amounts of power out of this motor, but it works better if you balance everything and don't take big shortcuts. Now after having said that, unless you are putting it in a race environment like I mentioned above, most of the wide open throttle applications on this thing are going to be so short you will never have an issue. Even the Texas mile pretty much happens in around 30 seconds....
Well that's reassuring. Most of the driving will be street, but I do plan to autox and track (not 1/4) it. I was more concerned with it's potential when being driven on roads / daily driving.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:19 PM   #19
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I agree with Matt from FSP, it was my car he drove. The heat and humidity in West Fl is brutal right now. Best I have done with my new ZL1 is a 12.5 with most runs in the 12.7s. I also traded in a modded 2010 SS that ran 12.3s. But, that being said I certainly dont regret the swap. On the street my ZL1 is much smoother and faster than my old car. Pretty soon I will be getting Matt to tune my car and add a few go faster goodies, IE meth, headers, and pullys. Need to get into the 11s!
LOL.. I could have written this exact post.

I'm not going w/ a chiller, but want to find the best heat exchanger out there coupled w/ meth.
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Old 07-11-2013, 07:27 AM   #20
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LOL.. I could have written this exact post.

I'm not going w/ a chiller, but want to find the best heat exchanger out there coupled w/ meth.
Agreed. From my experience I want to stay away from the chiller. So I'll let you guinea pig the exchanger / meth set up, and follow your lead.

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What's the fill interval for the meth reservoir on average?
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:30 PM   #22
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Agreed. From my experience I want to stay away from the chiller.
Super Chiller may not be the answer for everyone but you cant base your decision on your previous experience, I think you know why. Look at any of my threads, pictures and reviews from my customers. The AI Super Chiller is non invasive to car, completely reversible, holds Freon and best of all it works!
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:32 AM   #23
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The car doesn't have heatsoak if its moving. The proof is in the pudding. Look at the Laguna seca laps from motortrend where the ZL1 "never deviated by more than two-tenths of a second". You can also look at Nuremburgring times. The reason the ZL1 can beat cars that have more power and handling is because it can keep cool and run hard while other cars fade. Anybody who tells you different is trying to sell you something

Drag racing is a slightly different story. EVERY car gets heat soak if its not moving, just some get hot faster. Stagnant air is an insulator. You can upgrade your intercooler, or do the ice soak thing the 11 seconds guys do. Upgrading the intercooler only buys you some more time before it soaks though.

Upgrading, of coarse (pully, tune, etc), then you'll want to upgrade to compensate for the increased air flow and heat.
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There are still advantages of IAT running 20deg or more below ambient. Just look how much better your car runs in cold weather. Also seeing your IAT drop when you are sitting at a traffic light. Heat Soak is not the only condition we address. Better gas mileage, that crisp throttle response associated with low IAT. I have run the first Super Chiller on my GTO since 09 and would never go back. If you use AC this is a passive win win mod. I think everyone with a AI Super Chiller would agree they would never go back.
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Old 08-10-2013, 04:21 PM   #25
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I agree. the question was about heat soak though.
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install a better heatexchanger and the LPE fluid reservoir when you tune your car, should be a day and night difference as far as inlet temps. While you're at it you can do a thermostat mod, this small $25 mod will lower the water temps, which in turn will lower engine oil temps (since water cools the oil), and your blower will be much happier sitting on an engine that's 20 degrees cooler.
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Old 08-11-2013, 10:23 AM   #27
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Anyone try using a super coolant? There are many brands out there, I've used it in my truck before as well, they do work.
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If you beat on the car in 90+ degree temperatures, like drag race it, road race it, or autocross it, the stock intercooler system will have a hard time keeping intake temps down. It still has a lot of power but will not give you all 580 as the timing is retarded as mentioned above. I had the same motor in a CTS-V that I used as a daily driver and never noticed any power loss on public roads. The overall cooling configuration is better on the ZL1 than the CTS-V. I have never experienced any problems in the Camaro on public roads but do not have that many miles.

The intercooler system can be modified to improve this some, there really is no reservoir in the stock set-up and installing more fluid will help some. Putting in a bigger intercooler will help also.

I kind of think that many of the people complaining about the "serious heat soak issues" are changing pulleys and overdriving the supercharger without a compensation in the cooling department. Well, duh, think about it.

It is so easy to get astronomically crazy amounts of power out of this motor, but it works better if you balance everything and don't take big shortcuts. Now after having said that, unless you are putting it in a race environment like I mentioned above, most of the wide open throttle applications on this thing are going to be so short you will never have an issue. Even the Texas mile pretty much happens in around 30 seconds....
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The car doesn't have heatsoak if its moving. The proof is in the pudding. Look at the Laguna seca laps from motortrend where the ZL1 "never deviated by more than two-tenths of a second". You can also look at Nuremburgring times. The reason the ZL1 can beat cars that have more power and handling is because it can keep cool and run hard while other cars fade. Anybody who tells you different is trying to sell you something

Drag racing is a slightly different story. EVERY car gets heat soak if its not moving, just some get hot faster. Stagnant air is an insulator. You can upgrade your intercooler, or do the ice soak thing the 11 seconds guys do. Upgrading the intercooler only buys you some more time before it soaks though.

Upgrading, of coarse (pully, tune, etc), then you'll want to upgrade to compensate for the increased air flow and heat.
I'm re-reading this thread after some conversations I had at the fest on heat soak and intercoolers. Seems both of you guys I've quoted are right in line with what was discussed. Intercooler may not be needed as much as I originally thought. The reservoir under the SC is where the heat is and in a 1/4 mile run IATs will rise a certain amount no mater what HX you have. Also, it blocks other coolers making oil temps etc run hotter.

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install a better heatexchanger and the LPE fluid reservoir when you tune your car, should be a day and night difference as far as inlet temps. While you're at it you can do a thermostat mod, this small $25 mod will lower the water temps, which in turn will lower engine oil temps (since water cools the oil), and your blower will be much happier sitting on an engine that's 20 degrees cooler.
I'm thinking about just doing a reservoir and leave the HX out. Just get some another .5 gal of volume flowing.

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