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Old 07-06-2013, 09:33 PM   #26
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ive had the pfadt coilovers on the car now for about 2 months and the front of the car still hasnt settled enough to adjust the front coilovers at all. the car is still a little high in the front and cant lower it. i timed the bushing and did everything i could think of to fix the issue. i went for a alignment at a very high end shop out near me and i asked them about it and the owner of the company told me its definately the front spring rating is too high for the application. thats not the first time i heard that! does anyone know the spring rating on the new generation pfadt coilovers?


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Old 07-06-2013, 09:37 PM   #27
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I would call pfadt. Hope I don't have the same issue. I am about to install mine, guess I will find out.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:41 PM   #28
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I would call pfadt.
This. The quickest way to find a solution is to talk to the people that know the most about them.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:44 PM   #29
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ive had the pfadt coilovers on the car now for about 2 months and the front of the car still hasnt settled enough to adjust the front coilovers at all. the car is still a little high in the front and cant lower it. i timed the bushing and did everything i could think of to fix the issue. i went for a alignment at a very high end shop out near me and i asked them about it and the owner of the company told me its definately the front spring rating is too high for the application. thats not the first time i heard that! does anyone know the spring rating on the new generation pfadt coilovers?


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Old 07-09-2013, 08:14 PM   #30
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I tried talking to pfadt, and they told me that there's so much R and D in the coil overs that it can't possibly be a problem with them. Pretty much insinuating I installed then improperly.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:13 PM   #31
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I tried talking to pfadt, and they told me that there's so much R and D in the coil overs that it can't possibly be a problem with them. Pretty much insinuating I installed then improperly.
Mmmmm I just installed mine but haven't adjusted the ride height yet. Maybe take some picks and post them? Someone might be able to see something that is not right?
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:17 PM   #32
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Only thing wrong is the spring on the front coilovers definitely have the wrong spring rate for the car. Plain and simple
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:23 PM   #33
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Only thing wrong is the spring on the front coilovers definitely have the wrong spring rate for the car. Plain and simple
Mmmmm well not sure man. I am going to adjust them here in a few when it cools off....112 here right now lol I will let you know if I am having the same issues. Mine is sitting at stock height right now.
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Encore: Like SSS said, were you able to talk to Blair or Aaron?

Just a heads up Encore but my personal car has the first generation Pfadt street coilovers with the drag springs on it. Sitting on 28" diameter tires all around, the front of my car does sit up higher seems like how you are describing. What I can tell you is that the combination works great for us, 1.39 60' on 17" M&Hs and 1.41 60' on 18" MT's both off the footbrake.

I would honestly go out and try the setup, I am sure it will react and do what you need it to once finely tuned in. If you take the car out to the track, do some video launching of it. We can review videos and start making some adjustments.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:25 AM   #35
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.....the car is still a little high in the front and cant lower it.....
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Can you please call us or post the current ride height front and rear? Without actual numbers, I can't determine what is going on.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:59 PM   #36
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same here...

I'll speak for everyone here.... I had the exact same issue with the front springs. I had the height adjustment maxed all the way down. The front of the car was still too high. I only got a maximum off 1.75" of drop when I should have 2". I spoke to Pfadt and they recommended I loosen all connections and let the car settle, then re torque. Well, that got me a whopping 1/16". I sent them pics of my ride height. They admitted I should be getting 2" of drop. A friend of mine put on the same springs and had the same issues. Pfadt sent him the correct front springs at NO COST. Pfadt wanted me to spend an extra $150 for the right equipment, saying my friends deal was a one time thing....although the exact same issue as me, OP, and a few others. Come on Pfadt....do the right thing.
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I'll speak for everyone here.... I had the exact same issue with the front springs. I had the height adjustment maxed all the way down. The front of the car was still too high. I only got a maximum off 1.75" of drop when I should have 2". I spoke to Pfadt and they recommended I loosen all connections and let the car settle, then re torque. Well, that got me a whopping 1/16". I sent them pics of my ride height. They admitted I should be getting 2" of drop. A friend of mine put on the same springs and had the same issues. Pfadt sent him the correct front springs at NO COST. Pfadt wanted me to spend an extra $150 for the right equipment, saying my friends deal was a one time thing....although the exact same issue as me, OP, and a few others. Come on Pfadt....do the right thing.
Do you happen to have the part number on the springs they sent your friend? The ones on my coilovers are front: Z/M P1396 rear: 57-193-104,9.
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Old 07-12-2013, 04:37 PM   #38
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Guys, just so everyone is clear, talking about "X.X" drop isn't going to get to the bottom of any situation. Camaro's have variances as much as .5" difference from the factory, and as a result you can take the same set of coilovers and swap them on two different cars at the same ride height and get a "total drop from stock" difference. That is why we always need actual ride heights to understand what is going on so there are apples to apples comparisons.

The way customers order Camaro coilovers is that the standard high performance spring package comes stock on the Pfadt coilovers. If you want ADDITIONAL lowering and as a result a softer spring setup, you have to order the GMPP spring package. That is how we achieve the additional lowering. The springs that came with your coilovers function as intended and are indeed the correct springs. The coilover shocks themselves are capable of functioning perfectly down to appx. 2" level with the right spring package which is an additional cost and is called the GMPP Coilover Package, as they are official GM Performance Parts. 1.75" lowering is a ton for a high-performance coilover that has stiffer spring rates for better performance. The GMPP package get you a little lower with less spring rate.

Here are the links to the two website pages:

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http://store.pfadtracing.com/2010-ca...-street-track/

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http://store.pfadtracing.com/2010-ca...pp-adjustable/
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Guys, just so everyone is clear, talking about "X.X" drop isn't going to get to the bottom of any situation. Camaro's have variances as much as .5" difference from the factory, and as a result you can take the same set of coilovers and swap them on two different cars at the same ride height and get a "total drop from stock" difference. That is why we always need actual ride heights to understand what is going on so there are apples to apples comparisons.

The way customers order Camaro coilovers is that the standard high performance spring package comes stock on the Pfadt coilovers. If you want ADDITIONAL lowering and as a result a softer spring setup, you have to order the GMPP spring package. That is how we achieve the additional lowering. The springs that came with your coilovers function as intended and are indeed the correct springs. The coilover shocks themselves are capable of functioning perfectly down to appx. 2" level with the right spring package which is an additional cost and is called the GMPP Coilover Package, as they are official GM Performance Parts. 1.75" lowering is a ton for a high-performance coilover that has stiffer spring rates for better performance. The GMPP package get you a little lower with less spring rate.

Here are the links to the two website pages:

Standard:
http://store.pfadtracing.com/2010-ca...-street-track/

GMPP:
http://store.pfadtracing.com/2010-ca...pp-adjustable/
Finally, someone explains this in simple terms!
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Guys, just so everyone is clear, talking about "X.X" drop isn't going to get to the bottom of any situation. Camaro's have variances as much as .5" difference from the factory, and as a result you can take the same set of coilovers and swap them on two different cars at the same ride height and get a "total drop from stock" difference. That is why we always need actual ride heights to understand what is going on so there are apples to apples comparisons.

The way customers order Camaro coilovers is that the standard high performance spring package comes stock on the Pfadt coilovers. If you want ADDITIONAL lowering and as a result a softer spring setup, you have to order the GMPP spring package. That is how we achieve the additional lowering. The springs that came with your coilovers function as intended and are indeed the correct springs. The coilover shocks themselves are capable of functioning perfectly down to appx. 2" level with the right spring package which is an additional cost and is called the GMPP Coilover Package, as they are official GM Performance Parts. 1.75" lowering is a ton for a high-performance coilover that has stiffer spring rates for better performance. The GMPP package get you a little lower with less spring rate.

Here are the links to the two website pages:

Standard:
http://store.pfadtracing.com/2010-ca...-street-track/

GMPP:
http://store.pfadtracing.com/2010-ca...pp-adjustable/

100% correct.. We have ordered purpose built GMPP packages before, but we have also purchased just the springs before to change up on the "base" featherlights.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:05 PM   #41
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If you didn't want to sacrifice the designed performance of the coilover with the higher rate spring, why would you go with a softer spring? If you're running out of adjustment with a particular height spring, typically you'd go with a longer or shorter coilspring to achieved desired ride height as long as you don't hit coil bind or reach max stroke of the dampener. The difference of a 275 lbs 8" long coilspring and a 275 lbs 10" coilspring is that you have 2" of additional adjustment as long as it doesn't interfere with the maximum damper stroke or coil bind. It's done all the time with other coilovers.

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