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Old 07-12-2013, 04:53 PM   #4897
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Compression and leak down check are not related to the low oil pressure. If you find a low cylinder relative to the others it raises the possibility the debris in the oil pump or pan may have traveled and done other damage.

Again, I am not an engine expert, but the minimal cranking required to do a compression test without any plugs in the car shouldn't do any damage.
True. I only ever turned it over like 3 or 4 times to get my pressure for the tests.

I always hated those tests because if you found what you were looking for it meant bad news.
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Old 07-15-2013, 06:43 PM   #4898
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So I'm pulling the engine this weekend. Any tips are gladly welcomed.

*cough* jason *cough*
please tell me you're asking another jason... i've only pulled an engine out of my truck & sure never tore into it. all i know is theory & hearsay

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Here's a question, Where did the metal come from that caused the damage to the pump..... This sux....
that's my question, too

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Tear it down and rebuild it now with a 4" Callies crank.

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True. I only ever turned it over like 3 or 4 times to get my pressure for the tests.

I always hated those tests because if you found what you were looking for it meant bad news.
any news this afternoon?
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:34 PM   #4899
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:26 AM   #4900
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please tell me you're asking another jason... i've only pulled an engine out of my truck & sure never tore into it. all i know is theory & hearsay


that's my question, too


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any news this afternoon?
Nope. You're the Jason. haha

I'm thinking the pump just chewed it's self up. Started to wear and then wore to a bad level and just started to do that. I'd bet money I take it apart and find nothing. That metal in the filter definitely came from the pump because I bought a new pump and the gears mesh perfectly. So there was a lot of metal missing from the pump gear lobes.

Spent Monday looking for a reason not to pull the cam and put the engine back together. Had to bowl yesterday evening. Team is in first place so they want me there. (though I'm not sure why, my lower ab/groin pull is not healing)

Anyway. I have a busy week at work and a tournament to bowl this weekend. UGH................
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:35 AM   #4901
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When my pump went the metal was from the lifter. It did not just fall apart so the motor still ran fine, at first, lol. If you use the camera you bought you will be able to inspect the lifter and cam lobes that are questioned in the pics by inserting it in the cast openings you asked about, that is norm.
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When my pump went the metal was from the lifter. It did not just fall apart so the motor still ran fine, at first, lol. If you use the camera you bought you will be able to inspect the lifter and cam lobes that are questioned in the pics by inserting it in the cast openings you asked about, that is norm.
Ok. I did inspect as much as I could and it all looked fine as far as I could see. That little tool could be better.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:35 AM   #4903
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Now I've found where the real discussion is taking place...too many threads

I posted in one of the others that I have a theory. I think you might find one component of the LS3 conversion failed. It really matters not at this point because you gotta go bearings throughout at least.
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Have you considered short block replacement?
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:25 AM   #4905
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Now I've found where the real discussion is taking place...too many threads

I posted in one of the others that I have a theory. I think you might find one component of the LS3 conversion failed. It really matters not at this point because you gotta go bearings throughout at least.
Which component? I could swear a few bits that I got out of the pan via magnet was cast material like from the engine block. Really small though.

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Yes. I'd like to get a forged set up for more boost but not sure I need it. If I could get a stock LS3 short block at a good price I sure would.

It would be a lot faster. LOT faster.
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I just don't have enough time in the evenings. And the weekends are not much better. This weekend I bowl a tournament out of town. Ugh...........
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If you see yourself still owning this car in four years, go forged, if you see yourself in a 6th gen, go stock.

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The engine block is aluminum. Small cast iron parts could be piston ring fragments, lifter bits and pieces, cam material, crankshaft material, oil pump material, etc. Not the block or heads, though.
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The engine block is aluminum. Small cast iron parts could be piston ring fragments, lifter bits and pieces, cam material, crankshaft material, oil pump material, etc. Not the block or heads, though.
That's why I like oil analysis, may not tell you why, but definitely tells you what is deteriorating. Great diagnostic tool.
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Well, you have it torn down this far. Take out the cam and look at the bearing mate sections.
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That's why I like oil analysis, may not tell you why, but definitely tells you what is deteriorating. Great diagnostic tool.
+1. I use it all the time for automatic transmission failure analysis. It's a required tool.
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If you see yourself still owning this car in four years, go forged, if you see yourself in a 6th gen, go stock.

I see myself in this one. Rather than a car note I'd prefer to keep this one up with that money. But I can't be sure. Depends on the 6th Gen. If it's the rumored one that is floating around I'll def. be keeping this one.

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The engine block is aluminum. Small cast iron parts could be piston ring fragments, lifter bits and pieces, cam material, crankshaft material, oil pump material, etc. Not the block or heads, though.
Hmmmm, maybe I said cast meaning something else. It looks like the part of the block that it broken out in the oil valley. I'll get good pics as I can this evening.

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That's why I like oil analysis, may not tell you why, but definitely tells you what is deteriorating. Great diagnostic tool.
Well we don't have a place here. I'll have to find one to send mine to.

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Well, you have it torn down this far. Take out the cam and look at the bearing mate sections.
SHOULD get there tonight. Though I would last night but keep running in to problems and little time. Up early and off to the office then get off at 7:30 to 8:00 and usually don't get home and out to the garage by 9 or 10 with errands and the kids stuff.

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+1. I use it all the time for automatic transmission failure analysis. It's a required tool.
Only oil I have that is in mixed with other is from the filter. And not much of it. Like an ounce.
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If it's the rumored one that is floating around I'll def. be keeping this one.
Does the rumor have a thread or a picture?
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