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Old 07-16-2013, 01:00 PM   #51
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.....I considered both(actually 4 cars) cars before making my final choice. Roll back the clock to a few months before the ZL1 was released, I was looking to sell my 2006 GTO (6M) and was considering an SRT Challenger with the 6.4 Hemi and 6-speed manual (manual only for me, so I won't have to repeat that for the rest of this posting) and the ZL1. I wanted to drive both because of the rumor of a 570 hp supercharged Challenger in the near future...I always plan ahead. I test drove a new Challenger with the 470HP Hemi and was disappointed when I tried to power shift, even with the TC off, there was a torque management program that killed timing between shifts, and no way to tune the 6.4 (at that time). Eliminate the Challenger.
.....Next I drove a 2010 SS (no ZL1 was available yet), but the interior was so ugly (for my tastes, sorry), mainly the dash board, that I could not consider the ZL1 for me. I happen to stop at the Cadillac dealership down the street and saw a CTS V Coupe, and fell in love with the interior and overall looks of the car (probably not for everyone), but since it was an automatic I did not drive it. After some long searching I found a used 6-speed CTS V to test drive ( I had never driven a supercharged manual car before) and I had a couple of friends who had GT500's. They did not power shift because they said you loose boost (in the Shelby) as soon as you push in the clutch. The CTS V has a "no lift shift" feature in the program.....well I was impressed.....now to find a good deal on a new CTS V Coupe.
.....But wait , there's more. Before I can find the best deal on a CTS V....Ford announces a 662 hp GT500...Wow. Back to square 1, so I wait. I won't buy until I can test drive one for myself. My needs are simple, 99% street driving, NO road courses for me, Test and Tune 1/4 mile racing once or twice a month at the local Drag Strip...I love acceleration. Several months pass and I finally get a ride in a 2013 GT500, the owner won't let me drive, but gives me a ride, I will be honest it was not that impressive, he got on it hard, but did not power shift or break traction (we went from about 40-100), but my SRT-10 Ram felt quicker (stock engine, but lightweight tricks, headers and tuning, runs 11.60's @118)....I expected a lot more with 662 hp.
.....So I was back to finding a CTS V (love the interior). Then Evolution Performance releases a video of their GT500 with most of the changes I would do if I bought the GT500 (4.10 gears, lower pulley, headers, catless X-pipe, CobraJet TB, CAI, tune, slicks......and does 9.95 @ 142) incredible....OH the sound of that car! So now I'm back to considering the GT500. I wanted a Base model and recaro seats, stripe delete in Impact Blue, as the SVT Package and the Track Package only add expense and weight to a car that I will only drag race occasionally. Plus the Torsen rear end is NOT ideal for drag racing. I still needed to drive a GT500 before my final decision. Finally found a used one the owner would let me drive, I liked the way it drove, almost lost it when I powered into 2nd gear with the TC on, fishtailed all over the road, but still lots of fun.
.....In the end it came down to what I really needed, I have to pick up the grandkids a few times each week, the CTS V has a better back seat, a better ride, and the best interior. I have the SRT-10 Ram I race, a 2000 Firehawk that LME in Houston is finishing a 433" LS motor for, so I didn't need a 3rd race car. I found a new 2012 CTSV Coupe at orange Coast Cadillac (crystal red, recaro seats, suede pkg, wood trim, moonroof,) with an MSRP of $71,605, and I got a great deal @ $58,500 (probably because of the 6-speed).
.....I'm very happy with my purchase....and just to make things sweeter....last Friday test and tune at Famoso Raceway.....I raced a 2014 Shelby GT500, both cars on street tires, he was pure stock, I have a tune and CAI. The weather was HOT, 98 degrees at 10pm and 3500' DA, so the times were not great ( GT500 12.69@116.53, CTSV 12.63@116.23)....but my .002 reaction time gave me the win by 3 car lengths. Here's the video shot by my fiend who owns a 2011 GT500.

http://youtu.be/SVEwQbBmSGo

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Old 07-16-2013, 02:38 PM   #52
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Indents and paragraphs would have made.that much more friendly.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:34 PM   #53
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I considered both(actually 4 cars) cars before making my final choice. Roll back the clock to a few months before the ZL1 was released, I was looking to sell my 2006 GTO (6M) and was considering an SRT Challenger with the 6.4 Hemi and 6-speed manual (manual only for me, so I won't have to repeat that for the rest of this posting) and the ZL1. I wanted to drive both because of the rumor of a 570 hp supercharged Challenger in the near future...I always plan ahead. I test drove a new Challenger with the 470HP Hemi and was disappointed when I tried to power shift, even with the TC off, there was a torque management program that killed timing between shifts, and no way to tune the 6.4 (at that time). Eliminate the Challenger. Next I drove a 2010 SS (no ZL1 was available yet), but the interior was so ugly (for my tastes, sorry), mainly the dash board, that I could not consider the ZL1 for me. I happen to stop at the Cadillac dealership down the street and saw a CTS V Coupe, and fell in love with the interior and overall looks of the car (probably not for everyone), but since it was an automatic I did not drive it. After some long searching I found a used 6-speed CTS V to test drive ( I had never driven a supercharged manual car before) and I had a couple of friends who had GT500's. They did not power shift because they said you loose boost (in the Shelby) as soon as you push in the clutch. The CTS V has a "no lift shift" feature in the program.....well I was impressed.....now to find a good deal on a new CTS V Coupe. But wait , there's more. Before I can find the best deal on a CTS V....Ford announces a 662 hp GT500...Wow. Back to square 1, so I wait. I won't buy until I can test drive one for myself. My needs are simple, 99% street driving, NO road courses for me, Test and Tune 1/4 mile racing once or twice a month at the local Drag Strip...I love acceleration. Several months pass and I finally get a ride in a 2013 GT500, the owner won't let me drive, but gives me a ride, I will be honest it was not that impressive, he got on it hard, but did not power shift or break traction (we went from about 40-100), but my SRT-10 Ram felt quicker (stock engine, but lightweight tricks, headers and tuning, runs 11.60's @118)....I expected a lot more with 662 hp. So I was back to finding a CTS V (love the interior). Then Evolution Performance releases a video of their GT500 with most of the changes I would do if I bought the GT500 (4.10 gears, lower pulley, headers, catless X-pipe, CobraJet TB, CAI, tune, slicks......and does 9.95 @ 142) incredible....OH the sound of that car! So now I'm back to considering the GT500. I wanted a Base model and recaro seats, stripe delete in Impact Blue, as the SVT Package and the Track Package only add expense and weight to a car that I will only drag race occasionally. Plus the Torsen rear end is NOT ideal for drag racing. I still needed to drive a GT500 before my final decision. Finally found a used one the owner would let me drive, I liked the way it drove, almost lost it when I powered into 2nd gear with the TC on, fishtailed all over the road, but still lots of fun. In the end it came down to what I really needed, I have to pick up the grandkids a few times each week, the CTS V has a better back seat, a better ride, and the best interior. I have the SRT-10 Ram I race, a 2000 Firehawk that LME in Houston is finishing a 433" LS motor for, so I didn't need a 3rd race car. I found a new 2012 CTSV Coupe at orange Coast Cadillac (crystal red, recaro seats, suede pkg, wood trim, moonroof,) with an MSRP of $71,605, and I got a great deal @ $58,500 (probably because of the 6-speed). I'm very happy with my purchase....and just to make things sweeter....last Friday test and tune at Famoso Raceway.....I raced a 2014 Shelby GT500, both cars on street tires, he was pure stock, I have a tune and CAI. The weather was HOT, 98 degrees at 10pm and 3500' DA, so the times were not great ( GT500 12.69@116.53, CTSV 12.63@116.23)....but my .002 reaction time gave me the win by 3 car lengths. Here's the video shot by my fiend who owns a 2011 GT500.

http://youtu.be/SVEwQbBmSGo
Have you seen the ZL1 camaro interior? and also did you look at the Challenger interior?
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:32 PM   #54
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Have you seen the ZL1 camaro interior? and also did you look at the Challenger interior?
I drove the Challenger, so of course I saw the interior. And yes, I have seen the ZL1 interior, very much improved over the SS of 2010, but it's those two squarish gauge pods that bother me, sorry it's just not me, plus the backseat and trunk are useless in the Camaro, while the Challenger has a useable backseat and a huge trunk. I think I mentioned I have to pick up the grandkids a few times a week during school months, so the Cadillac was the best choice. Last month in cooler weather I ran 12.24 @ 118.91 in the Cadillac (on street tires) so the power is there with just a CAI and a tune. Also last time out at the test and tune I also ran a new 2013 ZL1 (6M) which was pure stock, and beat him pretty good , it was at 11pm (DA 3000+) I ran 12.706 @ 115.61 (still warm from the GT500 race) and the ZL1 ran 13.043 @ 111.21. I'm sure that with drag radials and cooler weather I will be deep into the 11's with the Cadillac, I'm happy.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:34 PM   #55
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Fixed it as best I could, sorry, and I agree with you, I tried to indent but my computer won't , so I used the periods to indent.....
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Easy. You want cornering, comfort, and looks, go ZL1. You want cheaper, faster 1/4, more power, cheaper parts, and better resale, buy GT500. Anything with Shelby will hold value.
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I drove the Challenger, so of course I saw the interior. And yes, I have seen the ZL1 interior, very much improved over the SS of 2010, but it's those two squarish gauge pods that bother me, sorry it's just not me, plus the backseat and trunk are useless in the Camaro, while the Challenger has a useable backseat and a huge trunk. I think I mentioned I have to pick up the grandkids a few times a week during school months, so the Cadillac was the best choice. Last month in cooler weather I ran 12.24 @ 118.91 in the Cadillac (on street tires) so the power is there with just a CAI and a tune. Also last time out at the test and tune I also ran a new 2013 ZL1 (6M) which was pure stock, and beat him pretty good , it was at 11pm (DA 3000+) I ran 12.706 @ 115.61 (still warm from the GT500 race) and the ZL1 ran 13.043 @ 111.21. I'm sure that with drag radials and cooler weather I will be deep into the 11's with the Cadillac, I'm happy.
oh okay, just checking because you said that you didn't like the 2010 dash but yea the square gauge pods is what I love about the interior unique and Retro. but yea I understand that it's. not your thing. I myself like the 2010-2011 better because of the more Retro steering wheel and speedometer numbers. the cts-v is killer too in looks and in power .and I would think the cts-v weights way less than the zl1. So , you beating that is believable . But I love the cts-v too . I would need both
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:25 AM   #58
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oh okay, just checking because you said that you didn't like the 2010 dash but yea the square gauge pods is what I love about the interior unique and Retro. but yea I understand that it's. not your thing. I myself like the 2010-2011 better because of the more Retro steering wheel and speedometer numbers. the cts-v is killer too in looks and in power .and I would think the cts-v weights way less than the zl1. So , you beating that is believable . But I love the cts-v too . I would need both
Actually I think the CTS V and the ZL1 are about the same weight, with the CTS V slightly heavier....but the GT500 was about 300 lbs lighter than the V and it had 106 horsepower more (662 vs 556) so I was quite shocked at the outcome...although my driving had a little to do with it the winning margin. I have seen pure stock GT500's put down in the area of 600 rwhp and 600 ftlbs , where my CTS V made 458 rwhp pure stock @ 6,200 rpm (factory rev limit for the stock LSA). After tuning I made 493 rwhp @ 6,550 rpm ( 485 @ 6,200) and then we added the AIRAID CAI and the V made 515.6 @ 6,550. The GM crate engine specs for the LSA suggest a 6,600 rev limit , and by raising the rev limit in my Coupe it made all the difference in the world (my limiter is set at 6,800) and I shift @ 6,600 rpm, full power shifts (Love the no-lift-shift feature). Before I was hitting the rev limiter so fast and killing the performance, now the car just pulls like gang busters.....it surprises people.
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