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Old 07-16-2013, 07:35 AM   #4901
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When my pump went the metal was from the lifter. It did not just fall apart so the motor still ran fine, at first, lol. If you use the camera you bought you will be able to inspect the lifter and cam lobes that are questioned in the pics by inserting it in the cast openings you asked about, that is norm.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:41 AM   #4902
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When my pump went the metal was from the lifter. It did not just fall apart so the motor still ran fine, at first, lol. If you use the camera you bought you will be able to inspect the lifter and cam lobes that are questioned in the pics by inserting it in the cast openings you asked about, that is norm.
Ok. I did inspect as much as I could and it all looked fine as far as I could see. That little tool could be better.
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:35 AM   #4903
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Now I've found where the real discussion is taking place...too many threads

I posted in one of the others that I have a theory. I think you might find one component of the LS3 conversion failed. It really matters not at this point because you gotta go bearings throughout at least.
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:24 AM   #4904
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Have you considered short block replacement?
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:25 AM   #4905
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Now I've found where the real discussion is taking place...too many threads

I posted in one of the others that I have a theory. I think you might find one component of the LS3 conversion failed. It really matters not at this point because you gotta go bearings throughout at least.
Which component? I could swear a few bits that I got out of the pan via magnet was cast material like from the engine block. Really small though.

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Yes. I'd like to get a forged set up for more boost but not sure I need it. If I could get a stock LS3 short block at a good price I sure would.

It would be a lot faster. LOT faster.
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I just don't have enough time in the evenings. And the weekends are not much better. This weekend I bowl a tournament out of town. Ugh...........
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If you see yourself still owning this car in four years, go forged, if you see yourself in a 6th gen, go stock.

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Old 07-17-2013, 08:41 AM   #4908
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The engine block is aluminum. Small cast iron parts could be piston ring fragments, lifter bits and pieces, cam material, crankshaft material, oil pump material, etc. Not the block or heads, though.
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The engine block is aluminum. Small cast iron parts could be piston ring fragments, lifter bits and pieces, cam material, crankshaft material, oil pump material, etc. Not the block or heads, though.
That's why I like oil analysis, may not tell you why, but definitely tells you what is deteriorating. Great diagnostic tool.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:32 AM   #4910
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Well, you have it torn down this far. Take out the cam and look at the bearing mate sections.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:54 AM   #4911
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That's why I like oil analysis, may not tell you why, but definitely tells you what is deteriorating. Great diagnostic tool.
+1. I use it all the time for automatic transmission failure analysis. It's a required tool.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:13 AM   #4912
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If you see yourself still owning this car in four years, go forged, if you see yourself in a 6th gen, go stock.

I see myself in this one. Rather than a car note I'd prefer to keep this one up with that money. But I can't be sure. Depends on the 6th Gen. If it's the rumored one that is floating around I'll def. be keeping this one.

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The engine block is aluminum. Small cast iron parts could be piston ring fragments, lifter bits and pieces, cam material, crankshaft material, oil pump material, etc. Not the block or heads, though.
Hmmmm, maybe I said cast meaning something else. It looks like the part of the block that it broken out in the oil valley. I'll get good pics as I can this evening.

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That's why I like oil analysis, may not tell you why, but definitely tells you what is deteriorating. Great diagnostic tool.
Well we don't have a place here. I'll have to find one to send mine to.

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Well, you have it torn down this far. Take out the cam and look at the bearing mate sections.
SHOULD get there tonight. Though I would last night but keep running in to problems and little time. Up early and off to the office then get off at 7:30 to 8:00 and usually don't get home and out to the garage by 9 or 10 with errands and the kids stuff.

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+1. I use it all the time for automatic transmission failure analysis. It's a required tool.
Only oil I have that is in mixed with other is from the filter. And not much of it. Like an ounce.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:39 AM   #4913
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If it's the rumored one that is floating around I'll def. be keeping this one.
Does the rumor have a thread or a picture?
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:06 PM   #4914
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Does the rumor have a thread or a picture?
Yup. Let me get it.
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5th Gen with a body kit for the movie and NOT the 6th Gen.
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Old 07-18-2013, 12:29 AM   #4917
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what?! another transformers movie?!
ps - that's a horrible PS of them wheels & tires... and the Volt-ish front end
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Old 07-18-2013, 01:48 AM   #4918
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Pete seems very sure. Cough up a pic, then PETE.

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Old 07-18-2013, 08:07 AM   #4920
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Well, there's your problem! (Myth busters bad joke)

That's tore up pretty bad. Now you know, just gotta decide how far to tear it down.
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Both lifters from the same cylinder?

Have the wise ones chimed in yet? I don't get out much, never seen a lifter eat a cam like that, I bet those rollers were 12 miles from catastrophic failure... crazy!
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Both lifters from the same cylinder?
Nope.
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Well, there's your problem! (Myth busters bad joke)

That's tore up pretty bad. Now you know, just gotta decide how far to tear it down.
At this point I might better (Alabama grammar lol) check the crank too.
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Makes sense. There's your cast iron shavings. Anybody care to chime in as to why the rollers locked up in the first place, i.e. "root cause"?
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At this point I might better (Alabama grammar lol) check the crank too.
That aint no count (Tennessee grammar lol)
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