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Old 07-06-2012, 08:37 AM   #26
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I have 15k miles on mine and haven't had a problem with water management or wet carpets.

Is there a TSB on this or did the dealer do it for you?

Also, I have never had an issue with the 5 bow and this car has had the top up and down many times. Mostly down than up.

Just wondering if this is something I should address with my SM when I take it in this month to the the Gen III design of the top installed.

My thought, if it's not broke not worth fixing.

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Old 07-11-2012, 09:35 PM   #27
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Update with another picture...

This picture points out the problem area that the GM field engineer pointed out to me on my car. He has found this area to be the problem on five of the leaking Camaros he has fixed (including mine). Keep in mind that this picture shows a new and non-leaking water bag. On older revision water bags, the fold of water bag material that I circled is too small and/or not positioned properly thereby letting water drip into the "dry side" of the interior. On a non-leaking car, as shown in the picture, the fold should be hanging over the edge of the interior body panel.
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Old 07-12-2012, 08:03 AM   #28
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I got in my 11 vert the other morning and it smelled like water standing, havent had a chance to check it yet, any special place to look.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:08 PM   #29
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I got in my 11 vert the other morning and it smelled like water standing, havent had a chance to check it yet, any special place to look.
That is a loaded question. It could be standing water trapped in the water bag not draining out or it could be water that leaked into the interior of the car. If you suspect a leak either take your car to a dealer familiar with the Camaro vert leak issue or start taking your interior apart in the back seat area so you can see if you have water leaking into your car while somebody sprays water over the rear window.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:49 PM   #30
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The two new tubes get routed where?
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:53 PM   #31
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Update with pics showing new drain tube location

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The two new tubes get routed where?
As promised, here are pics showing the new drain tube locations!
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Old 09-08-2012, 02:53 PM   #32
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:13 PM   #33
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Thanks very informative.
By the way, thanks for asking for the info. It made me discover the missing retainer clip on my trunk interior panel. Why is it so damn hard to get people to pay attention to detail? I thought the dealer did a perfect job on my repair. A minor flaw, but of course if you want it done right you either have to do it yourself or inspect thoroughly afterwards.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:37 PM   #34
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Just got my car back.....grrrrr my water management is NOT installed like yours!
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:53 AM   #35
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I replied to the post you started....check it out. Yours is messed up.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266943
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:36 PM   #36
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I'm so glad I found this forum. My 2012 vert is in the shop right now due to WMS problem. Apparently for quite some time, water has been draining/pooling in my rear passenger floor board. I never knew it was happening, but on some days i would wonder why my car was foggy on the inside. I don't sit in the back seat so who knew. Then I had it detailed and the guy who did the work pointed it out.

I get my car back tomorrow, 4-4-13, so it's only been a 3 day ordeal which is better than some have experienced here. But after reading this forum, I'm better equipped to understand what the service agent will tell me about what they did to repair it. I know I'm getting a new bag and the whole back seat has been removed, carpet removed/shampooed but that's about all they've told me up to now. If I find out any revealing information upon pickup I'll share.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:56 PM   #37
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I can't believe your happy at Doyle. They are the worst dealer in the area. I can't stand Phil. Worst service writer on the planet. I hate even driving by the place. Go to doan if you care about your car. I went over a year and 15000 miles then the car went to Doyle. Car had dings and smelled. Oil all over the steering wheel. And they refused to get me a rental car and instead let me use their 18 passenger cargo can with only 2 seats in it. Then called and asked for it back and gave me an alero with 130k miles and smelled like a bathroom.
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:53 PM   #38
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I didn't mean I was happy with Doyle. I just said they did a decent job on this repair. I will never go there again for service because I too have had bad luck there. I think the assistance from the GM field engineer and my presence during the whole repair is what created the success with this particular repair. Also, the technician, Steve was pretty good.

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I can't believe your happy at Doyle. They are the worst dealer in the area. I can't stand Phil. Worst service writer on the planet. I hate even driving by the place. Go to doan if you care about your car. I went over a year and 15000 miles then the car went to Doyle. Car had dings and smelled. Oil all over the steering wheel. And they refused to get me a rental car and instead let me use their 18 passenger cargo can with only 2 seats in it. Then called and asked for it back and gave me an alero with 130k miles and smelled like a bathroom.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:42 AM   #39
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SStoked, did you need the new tonneau cover as part of this defective top/water bag issue? Or for some other reason? Wondering if I should get mine out and put it on to check it out (I've never done that). My 5th bow broke today, so I'd like to get everything taken care of at the same time.
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:33 AM   #40
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Is Steve the older guy with the salt and pepper hair?? Kind of tall?? 6 ft or so?? He tried to deny my warranty and accused me of abusing my car because the clutch pedal stuck to the floor. I didn't know any forum members lived so close to me. I'm also in Webster but thanks to Doyle I got my car lemoned.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:14 AM   #41
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I got a new tonneau cover a couple months after the water bag replacement when I brought it in for the top replacement. The tonneau cover started to delaminate like a lot of them do. I highly recommend you start using yours in the hot sun for two reasons; 1) to discover if yours is defective. 2) to keep your top from flapping in the wind (hot sun or not).


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SStoked, did you need the new tonneau cover as part of this defective top/water bag issue? Or for some other reason? Wondering if I should get mine out and put it on to check it out (I've never done that). My 5th bow broke today, so I'd like to get everything taken care of at the same time.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:19 AM   #42
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Steve is tall and definitely 6 feet. He had a brush cut I think and I would call him younger (I'm 42). He is s technician and not a service writer.

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Is Steve the older guy with the salt and pepper hair?? Kind of tall?? 6 ft or so?? He tried to deny my warranty and accused me of abusing my car because the clutch pedal stuck to the floor. I didn't know any forum members lived so close to me. I'm also in Webster but thanks to Doyle I got my car lemoned.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:48 AM   #43
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Many people keep stating the release date for the "new top mechanism" was June 27th. I had the mechanism & top material replaced on 12 June - the dealer told me "this is the new one - we got it ahead of release schedule".
How do I know this is true?

It took 8 months for the top to start flapping against the storage well frame & wearing a hole in the material. I just had the 3rd fabric top put on; there's a 2" space between the material & the frame right now (when the top is down), but what's to stop it from sliding back over time & start flapping against the storage well frame again?

Did the "new mechanism" fix this problem? If so, then I may not have gotten the new one...

All in all, I still love this car & am trying not to let the inconvenience of 45 days of shop time cause me to let GM buy it back; I should have an answer from the lemon law lawyers in about 3 weeks.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:53 AM   #44
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Thanks for the tips. I'll definitely keep an eye on mine over the summer. Maybe I'll take periodic measurements of the gap. I know nothing about a new mechanism other than more tension chords with the new fabric. As fa as I know, all I have is the updated 5th bow.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:18 PM   #45
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Yea. Phil is a service writer. He is balding. Steve was my tech too. I personally wouldn't let him work on my lawn mower. He had dropped a gear out of my trans and showed me 3rd gear which was actually a syncro not a gear at all. Totally unimpressed. I'm glad you got your car done well though. If you want to join a local car club check out Roclife.org. We have a ton of fast cars. Alot of imports but a good mix and alot of decent car people. We do cruises and get togethers. We have a cruise to the Glenn setup already.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:51 AM   #46
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