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Old 07-26-2013, 04:01 PM   #1
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Help me decide on a Camaro

Hey Folks,

Happy to be here.

I'm 37 years old and it has been 20 years (depressing) since my last "muscle" car. I had a nice, rebuilt Mustang in high school and loved it. After highschool I did the family thing and essentially drove beaters ever since. I was happy driving beaters, too, but now we are financially comfortable and I'm going to get my dream muscle car again. Originally it was going to Mustang but I'm not crazy about the look of the newer Mustangs and I'm too impatient to wait and see what the 50th anniversary one looks like. Regardless, I love the look of the new Camaros.

I've been approved for up to 42k through my credit union and could put some cash down too. I stopped by the dealer today and told them this is what I'm looking for:

Convertible 1SS (8 cyl)
Black exterior - no stripes
Manual transmission
Dual perf exhaust
RS package (do not 100% need)

On their site it puts it at just under $40k with cloth seats. I'm not big on leather so could care less.

What I'm looking for opinions on, guys, is if I can convince myself to go to a 6 cylinder. Initially I say hell no. This is my dream car / muscle car and I want what I want. I'm keeping a little tin can Aveo to commute in and as a spare, so gas mileage isn't a huge issue. However, I'm not going to speed in the thing. I know you are all laughing but believe me, I train truck drivers for a living and cannot afford to have a ticket, so I won't be speeding. With that being said, do I really need the 8 cylinder? I know I'll get more power and start off quicker, but what else is the 8 cylinder good for?

Anyway, I stopped by the dealership today and told them what I was looking for. They had one close to what I wanted but it was $43k. Leather seats, heated seats, and a few other things. No interest. They are doing a locate to see if they can find me a match. The guy said most of the 1SS cars are leather because if someone is paying upwards of $40k they want leather. I told him I don't. I'm pretty particular about features.

What do you guys think I have for wiggle room in negotiation on price? I've done pretty good my last few cars. And this time around I have financing so I can walk out the door pretty easily.

Thanks.

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Old 07-26-2013, 04:10 PM   #2
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Hey Dave! Open up to the idea of traveling for the right car. You may need to go on a 8 hour drive to find the perfect car. I paid 39K for SS2/RS convertible LS3. It had been sitting on the lot for almost a year and I drove from Mississippi to Georgia to get it.

Even if you don't want to travel, my advice is - don't compromise. Get exactly what you want. This is something you go all in on. You won't regret it later!

The other option, is to buy something "base" and customize to be exactly what you want. That's good too! Just don't compromise!
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:13 PM   #3
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Hey Folks,

Happy to be here.

I'm 37 years old and it has been 20 years (depressing) since my last "muscle" car. I had a nice, rebuilt Mustang in high school and loved it. After highschool I did the family thing and essentially drove beaters ever since. I was happy driving beaters, too, but now we are financially comfortable and I'm going to get my dream muscle car again. Originally it was going to Mustang but I'm not crazy about the look of the newer Mustangs and I'm too impatient to wait and see what the 50th anniversary one looks like. Regardless, I love the look of the new Camaros.

I've been approved for up to 42k through my credit union and could put some cash down too. I stopped by the dealer today and told them this is what I'm looking for:

Convertible 1SS (8 cyl)
Black exterior - no stripes
Manual transmission
Dual perf exhaust
RS package (do not 100% need)

On their site it puts it at just under $40k with cloth seats. I'm not big on leather so could care less.

What I'm looking for opinions on, guys, is if I can convince myself to go to a 6 cylinder. Initially I say hell no. This is my dream car / muscle car and I want what I want. I'm keeping a little tin can Aveo to commute in and as a spare, so gas mileage isn't a huge issue. However, I'm not going to speed in the thing. I know you are all laughing but believe me, I train truck drivers for a living and cannot afford to have a ticket, so I won't be speeding. With that being said, do I really need the 8 cylinder? I know I'll get more power and start off quicker, but what else is the 8 cylinder good for?

Anyway, I stopped by the dealership today and told them what I was looking for. They had one close to what I wanted but it was $43k. Leather seats, heated seats, and a few other things. No interest. They are doing a locate to see if they can find me a match. The guy said most of the 1SS cars are leather because if someone is paying upwards of $40k they want leather. I told him I don't. I'm pretty particular about features.

What do you guys think I have for wiggle room in negotiation on price? I've done pretty good my last few cars. And this time around I have financing so I can walk out the door pretty easily.

Thanks.

Dave
I would look for a used 2SS that is gently used , It's fully loaded and has everything you want plus more . And Can find one for about 30K , I dont know if you would be interested in that , But just a suggestion .
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:16 PM   #4
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1SS is always cloth BTW. I've found that the dealer sometimes can't even get the packages and options figured out. Get the V8 if you want it to be the car you keep for a long time. You won't be disappointed.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:27 PM   #5
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I refuse to go used. Again, I drove beaters for 20 years. I had good luck with them and know some local guys that do work out of their garages, so I have always had small repair bills.

I drive my cars into the ground. I have no bug to upgrade. Depreciation doesn't matter. I know saving money is good but this is my dream car and it's going to be new.

Thanks for the suggestion on travel I may do that. I did feel a little brushed off when the guy realized he was going to have to do a locate for me. He said they could build one exactly as I wanted but it would take 8 weeks. That's not really a problem. I would love to be driving it when I go on vacation in a week, but I'm a patient person and could wait if I had to. I'm going to expand my search, though.
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:35 PM   #6
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Order a new one just like you want it then. Read up on the vert's Ive heard they have issues. My opinion is get it loaded. 2SS/RS. RS for sure. If you want manual then get it. My car is loaded, but the one thing I could do without is the sunroof. I would rather have a little more headroom. If you want a vert then that is N/A.
Also 66 in a 65 is speeding. Are you sure about a car that moves down the road like these Camaro's do?
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:36 PM   #7
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If this is your dream car then absolutely don't compromise. I was brushed off too. I've never seen a salesman less interested in selling a $40k car. He just messed around for a week saying that he would call me back when he found one with a manual shift. So in the mean time, I found one, drove to Georgia and bought it.

Maybe make it part of your vacation!
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:38 PM   #8
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A guy on C5 told me about my ABM 1SS beauty. I called the dealership, and bought her sight unseen. She was exactly what I had wanted. Went to uShip and got her shipped to me for a good price. Get what you want! That's what it's all about. And if you want to be her one and only, then BE her one and only! ;-)

And get the SS....when you say "I know I'll get more power and start off quicker, but what else is the 8 cylinder good for?"...well HEY...that's WHAT it's good for! And it's really, really, REALLY good for that! EVERYTIME I put my foot to the floor, my permagrin comes back. It's just FUN!
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Old 07-26-2013, 04:57 PM   #9
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Order that new car and get exactly what you want. It is a big investment you are about to make and I would hate to settle for less than I wanted. I ordered my 1LE and got it exactly the way I wanted it.
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Old 07-26-2013, 05:01 PM   #10
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Test drive a 6 and an 8 to see which engine is "right" for you. It can help you to narrow down your choices.
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Old 07-26-2013, 05:44 PM   #11
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:04 PM   #12
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Do it right the first time and buy a V8. If you can afford it definitely buy new over used, new makes ownership that much more fun. I'd buy new, just they don't make any colors I really like on the new ones.
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Old 07-26-2013, 06:09 PM   #13
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I bought a 1LS and slapped a supercharger on it. I'm in for under 30K and can still run with the pack and get 30 mpg on the hwy.

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Old 07-26-2013, 06:16 PM   #14
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...I get 27 mpg at a steady 65 in my LS3. Did that on my trip down to and back from NJ. 500 miles all together. Not saying the 1LS is a bad car but the SS models can get some miles per gallon if you don;t treat the gas pedal like an on/off switch.

Personally I wouldn't get a 4,000 lb Camaro that has a naturally aspirated V6. 300 bhp is nothing to sneeze at, it's what many V8 muscle cars were really doing back in the day-when they rated hp it was usually gross, not net or brake, and the V6 manages it, which is pretty damn impressive.

Dave, today is not forever. Get the car your heart says you want, the V8. We'll all be worm food too soon so live a little

OH, PS, hi from an ex-Boston resident and Boston native, I moved down rte. 138 to Canton a few years back
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:27 PM   #15
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Thanks, guys. What are you thoughts on dual performance exhaust? Does it give it some extra rumble?

Chris: Believe it or not, I'm in Canton too! I put Boston just because we are so close to it.
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Old 07-26-2013, 07:33 PM   #16
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Well Dave, I think that means if you want to test drive a 1SS coupe with the 6 speed manual sometime, it could be arranged
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:01 PM   #17
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Quit recommending him a used 2SS if he clearly wants cloth and NEW.


I bought a V6, and wanted an RS. I wanted an SS too, but I thought eh...I'll just settle for the RS since it's my DD. It was everything I wanted EXCEPT a V8. No one really knew it wasn't a V8 but me. I didn't much care for the speed either, but the sound, ohh the sound...it's so much better in a V8.

I am now back in a truck (always been a truck guy) and when I was asked if I wanted the popular EcoBoost V6, I said absolutely not, give me a V8. I love hearing the sound in a truck, I can't imagine how much more fun a 6.2L would be in one of these.

Good luck in your choice. Don't compromise, you'll be so happy you waited!
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:07 PM   #18
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Dave ..... Think 1SS 1LE.... Can be done for the $40K you're thinking (or less per some forum members that have supposedly done so...) A 323HP V6 is no slouch, but if your heart is thinking V8, better go with it if its in your budget so no regrets later.
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Thanks, guys. What are you thoughts on dual performance exhaust? Does it give it some extra rumble?

Chris: Believe it or not, I'm in Canton too! I put Boston just because we are so close to it.
Regarding the exhaust, it really depends on whether you want to keep it stock, or if you want to get something aftermarket.

If you want to keep everything stock, I would get the dual mode.

But if you're open to the idea of an aftermarket exhaust, you can probably get a "better" sound for less money. I say better because exhaust sound is very subjective.

The mufflers on the stock SS weigh something like 30-40lbs and they're enormous. They sound pretty wussy when compared to aftermarket, or the new dual mode. I haven't heard the dual mode in person, but on YouTube it sounds pretty decent. Just my opinion.
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Hey Folks,

Happy to be here.

I'm 37 years old and it has been 20 years (depressing) since my last "muscle" car. I had a nice, rebuilt Mustang in high school and loved it. After highschool I did the family thing and essentially drove beaters ever since. I was happy driving beaters, too, but now we are financially comfortable and I'm going to get my dream muscle car again. Originally it was going to Mustang but I'm not crazy about the look of the newer Mustangs and I'm too impatient to wait and see what the 50th anniversary one looks like. Regardless, I love the look of the new Camaros.

I've been approved for up to 42k through my credit union and could put some cash down too. I stopped by the dealer today and told them this is what I'm looking for:

Convertible 1SS (8 cyl)
Black exterior - no stripes
Manual transmission
Dual perf exhaust
RS package (do not 100% need)

On their site it puts it at just under $40k with cloth seats. I'm not big on leather so could care less.

What I'm looking for opinions on, guys, is if I can convince myself to go to a 6 cylinder. Initially I say hell no. This is my dream car / muscle car and I want what I want. I'm keeping a little tin can Aveo to commute in and as a spare, so gas mileage isn't a huge issue. However, I'm not going to speed in the thing. I know you are all laughing but believe me, I train truck drivers for a living and cannot afford to have a ticket, so I won't be speeding. With that being said, do I really need the 8 cylinder? I know I'll get more power and start off quicker, but what else is the 8 cylinder good for?

Anyway, I stopped by the dealership today and told them what I was looking for. They had one close to what I wanted but it was $43k. Leather seats, heated seats, and a few other things. No interest. They are doing a locate to see if they can find me a match. The guy said most of the 1SS cars are leather because if someone is paying upwards of $40k they want leather. I told him I don't. I'm pretty particular about features.

What do you guys think I have for wiggle room in negotiation on price? I've done pretty good my last few cars. And this time around I have financing so I can walk out the door pretty easily.

Thanks.

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....without expending alot of rhetoric, may I suggest you do whatever is necessary to purchase a ZL1. You will be satisfied beyond measure for the rest of your life, unless you are a hard core experienced adrenaline junky and driver,... trust me when I say this car is the BEST Camaro you could ever own delivering satisfaction across all metrics beyond what any Camaro owner previously has ever experienced.
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I'll throw my hat in the ring... there are more features on a 2SS than just leather... with a stick shift, I absolutely LOVE my heads up display to keep track of my RPM's without ever taking my eyes off of traffic, and I dig the little retro gauge cluster in my console... that said, I paid 39,000 for my 2SS/RS with NPP Exhaust, Short Throw, polished wheels, stripes, embroidered center console and lighted cupholders / foot wells, so you should have ZERO problem finding a brand new one in your budget for less than mine since the lighted cupholder/footwell was $500, around $400 on the stripes, same for the wheels, $800 or so for the sunroof, etc... you get the idea. Either way, good luck in your search and as others have said, you may have to take a little drive to find exactly what you want.
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I say its your money buy what you want, if you don't want leather then don't get it. I say order it from the factory if like what the 14's looks like if not might have to travel a bit to find exactly what you want but I doubt it black is a pretty popular color and so is rs package now you just have to find one that's not leather and a 6speed manual. And yes get the V8 over the V6 for two reasons, One it sounds better and two much more tq. off the line.
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....without expending alot of rhetoric, may I suggest you do whatever is necessary to purchase a ZL1. You will be satisfied beyond measure for the rest of your life, unless you are a hard core experienced adrenaline junky and driver,... trust me when I say this car is the BEST Camaro you could ever own delivering satisfaction across all metrics beyond what any Camaro owner previously has ever experienced.
I wish. Truly. It's just way out of my price range, unfortunately.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:55 PM   #24
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Nearby dealer located one that is pretty close. It's basically: Convertible 1SS, Black exterior, cloth interior, RS package. Only thing missing is dual performance exhaust but if I can add that on later, perhaps I will. He said it was $40k and change; offered to me for $39,2. Math doesn't add up. I told him when I build it online, I can get exactly what I want (incl. dual perf exhaust) for an asking price of just under $40k. I asked him what extra it had that I didn't want. He didn't have a full list but said it had heated seats (don't care for it and don't want to pay for it).

I'm going to stop by in the morning and speak to him and see what we can do. I like to haggle and I'm in no rush. How much, realistically, can I expect to get off, though? I love throwing out the 'let me think about it' and then have them come back asking what it would take for me to buy the car today. Should be fun.

Dual perf. exhaust isn't a deal breaker, I suppose. I would just like it but can add it later. But I'm adamant about not paying extra for crap I don't need/want.

I did expand my search and found a few others nearby but black isn't as popular as I thought.
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I wanted the v8 power and sound.....inferno orange with white stripes..2ss rs I could not be any happier, people are right, get what you want ...don't fall for the get the v6 and mod it stuff, get the v8 muscle that you want
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