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Old 05-24-2013, 05:27 AM   #276
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The weight difference between the Z/28 and the Z06 might be closer to 500 lbs, which is significant for sure but the Z06 only has 9.5" wide wheels in the front and 10" wide in the rear while the Z/28 has 11" wide all the way around. That's going to make a difference in the corners.
Both of my Z06's came from the factory with 18x10 front and 19x12 rears.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:33 AM   #277
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Your comparison doesn't work because one of the Z/28 mods IS the better tires.

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but if you give it time, it might sink in.
That's just it....the Trofeo's on the Z28 are NOT a mod,they are standard equipment. Same as the GY's are on the ZL-1. GM isn't interested in the least in what their cars can do with other than OEM supplied rubber.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:38 AM   #278
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That's just it....the Trofeo's on the Z28 are NOT a mod,they are standard equipment. Same as the GY's are on the ZL-1. GM isn't interested in the least in what their cars can do with other than OEM supplied rubber.
I mean mod by part of the changes they made from a ZL1 or other Camaro.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:43 AM   #279
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But the difference here is that in GT500 vs ZL1, the Ford had the 80 hp advantage and the 300 lb weight advantage giving it a substantial edge in a straight line. But vs the Z/28, the 80 extra hp has to move 300 lbs more car, reducing the impact of its power advantage (rather than enhancing it).
Sure, the ZL1 will still pull harder, but its not going to be as substantial a difference as it is between the GT500 and the ZL1.
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Yes, but you said it, a car (ford) 300 lbs lighter, and 80 more HP had it's hands full with the ZL1 ..... now the Z28 like the ford is about 300 lbs lighter, but is lacking that 80 hp advantage the ford has.....
Are you all forgetting that the Z28 will be more like 160 lbs down on a GT 500...not 80 HP. Mustang 663 Z28 505 and they would weigh about the same @3700 - 3800 lbs.


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If they ran the same tires I would very much doubt the Z06 would lose. The Z07 package was an absolute monster and came in 3-4 seconds behind the ZR1 at Nurburgring.

So improving the tires for a 1 lap attempt. That Z/28 better be flying
Trofeo tires vs Cup tires on the Z06 would be about a wash. The Z28 might be a close match to the base C7 Vette, but not close to a cup tired Z06. The Z06 has a top speed just shy of 200 and I don't think the Z28 could match even a C6's top speed of 183...gear ratio and drag being the killers. I think the Z28 might beat the ZL1's Nurburgring lap times by a few seconds and it will probably be close to the non-cup tired Z06...we'll see.

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I prefer pounds per HP. We still don't know the Z/28's weight but it could be as low as 3,700. Also if we're talking RWHP the LS7 is as high as 480+ That's 7.7 lbs per RWHP. That's quite awesome.
Logic tells me that the same engine and lesser weight, lower CD, the Vette should be the winner. I agree, the Z28 should be around 3750 lb for weight. My 2012, 1SS Camaro weighed 3820 and the weight savings on the Z28 should reduce that weight by at least 50 lbs. I'm guessing 3750 on weight.

No matter what, the Z28 is going to be an awesome performer. I'm hoping the price isn't going to be sky high so more of us could afford one.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:48 AM   #280
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Both of my Z06's came from the factory with 18x10 front and 19x12 rears.
I double-checked and according to car and driver's buyers guide for the 2013 Z06 the fronts are 18 x 9.5 and the rears are 19 x 12 so you are correct on the rear wheels.

http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/...ette-z06/specs

The better balance of 11" in the front and rear will give the Z/28 less understeer and a more balanced cornering stance. However the curb weight of the Z06 at 3175 lbs is something to contend with. It will definitely be faster in the straights.
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Old 05-24-2013, 01:28 PM   #281
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Are you all forgetting that the Z28 will be more like 160 lbs down on a GT 500...not 80 HP. Mustang 663 Z28 505 and they would weigh about the same @3700 - 3800 lbs.




Trofeo tires vs Cup tires on the Z06 would be about a wash. The Z28 might be a close match to the base C7 Vette, but not close to a cup tired Z06. The Z06 has a top speed just shy of 200 and I don't think the Z28 could match even a C6's top speed of 183...gear ratio and drag being the killers. I think the Z28 might beat the ZL1's Nurburgring lap times by a few seconds and it will probably be close to the non-cup tired Z06...we'll see.



Logic tells me that the same engine and lesser weight, lower CD, the Vette should be the winner. I agree, the Z28 should be around 3750 lb for weight. My 2012, 1SS Camaro weighed 3820 and the weight savings on the Z28 should reduce that weight by at least 50 lbs. I'm guessing 3750 on weight.

No matter what, the Z28 is going to be an awesome performer. I'm hoping the price isn't going to be sky high so more of us could afford one.
Well, we don't know what the final HP numbers will be. There was an article thst said the Z/28 would have the lowest power to weight ratio of any Camaro and it would weigh about the same as a 2LT. That puts its weight in the 3,760 lb range. Based on some quick math, I get horsepower north of 530 for the Z/28.
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Well, we don't know what the final HP numbers will be. There was an article thst said the Z/28 would have the lowest power to weight ratio of any Camaro and it would weigh about the same as a 2LT. That puts its weight in the 3,760 lb range. Based on some quick math, I get horsepower north of 530 for the Z/28.
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It would be really cool if it was 6.9 (get it?, 1Gen)
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Old 05-24-2013, 06:55 PM   #283
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It would be really cool if it was 6.9 (get it?, 1Gen)
Haha that would be sweet. 545 hp out of the LS7? Can it be done and stay smog legal?
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Old 05-24-2013, 08:22 PM   #284
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Haha that would be sweet. 545 hp out of the LS7? Can it be done and stay smog legal?
Sure. Now that's another story.
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Old 05-25-2013, 07:11 AM   #285
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I double-checked and according to car and driver's buyers guide for the 2013 Z06 the fronts are 18 x 9.5 and the rears are 19 x 12 so you are correct on the rear wheels.

I stand corrected. I was going off memory,but just checked my window sticker off the '07 Z06 and you are correct....18x9.5 on the fronts.
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They saying Tony Stewart just did a 2:00 lap time on Milford Road Course in the new
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"His first lap is a 2:00.7. "We take two days to get down to the target time," says MacDonald, one of GM's top guns. "He's had, what, six laps?"

Stewart does one more and comes in. His best time is two minutes flat. We debate who's going to break the news.

"Do I get my license? Did I make the cut?"

MacDonald hedges. "We haven't tested this particular car, but we think you'd need about a one-minute, 58-second lap. You did two flat."
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Can it be that much faster then ZL1 and Z/28?
or even older Z06?
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:29 AM   #287
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I am certain that if the ZL1 was tested with the Trofeo tires, the lap times would be closer than 3 seconds apart. I am a big fan of the upcoming Z28. Just waiting to see if I will be able to get one from a near by dealer.

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Old 08-05-2013, 10:38 AM   #288
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Yes the Trofeo's would shrink the time, however the 3 second remark was months ago and they've continued to develop the Z/28.
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