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Old 08-29-2013, 04:23 PM   #1
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Tire Spin

I haven't been able to get my car (2013 2SS NPP M6) to break the tires loose at a 10 mph roll yet. I have floored it many times with the stability and traction control off and maybe get a little squeal out of them. Not that I'm complaining because she just squats and hauls. I would think 426 hp should light the tires up at a 10 mph roll if wanted. I only have 1269 miles on the car and a CAI intake on it other wise it is completely stock. Fuse pull was done the day after purchase and she only gets Premium fuel (93). I have an appointment to get the car put on the dyno next Friday to see if its putting the HP down that it should. Has anyone else on here had this happen?
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:29 PM   #2
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:32 PM   #3
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I have no problem roasting the tires in 1st.. and I have a Goodyear Supercar G2's, are you in 1st or 2nd gear?
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:34 PM   #4
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You know it's not 426hp to the wheels, right?
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:38 PM   #5
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I have no problem roasting the tires in 1st.. and I have a Goodyear Supercar G2's, are you in 1st or 2nd gear?
Pirelli tires and 1st gear.

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You know it's not 426hp to the wheels, right?
Yes I know but it should be at the crank. At the rear most are getting 380-400 on the 2013's with NPP. I will know more as to what its putting to the ground next Friday.
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Old 08-29-2013, 04:42 PM   #6
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From my experience (which is only 65K miles worth), the Pirelli tires are of such a soft compound, you will rarely be able to “roast” your tires at will without doing a higher RPM clutch dump. Once I changed to a harder compound rubber, I can now break traction from a roll.
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Old 08-29-2013, 05:17 PM   #7
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try going into a turn at about that pace n hit the gas in 1st mid turn.. there is no way you won't be able to get those tires going
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:11 PM   #8
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Are you holding the traction control button down for seven seconds?
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:14 PM   #9
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Lots of torque management in the stock tune. Not surprising.
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:39 PM   #10
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Lots of torque management in the stock tune. Not surprising.
What my fellow Bee brother says. I found that odd as well. I no longer have that issue.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:02 PM   #11
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Driving down the road at 30 mph ,push the clutch in rev to 5,000 rpms and let the clutch out and hold on!!
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:02 PM   #12
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I spun mine today from a roll for a second...just enough to leave some light marks...with the traction control on
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:05 PM   #13
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Lots of torque management in the stock tune. Not surprising.
That is exactly what I figured. My 97 Trans Am WS6 will light the tires up at a 10MPH roll and its completely stock but it will not keep up with the Camaro. I'm very interested to see what the Camaro puts down next Friday.
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:15 PM   #14
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Your tires are actually pretty damn sticky, especially if its hot out. Tune out the torque management system and you will be driving a different beast. I knew the torque management was a REAL issue with the A6 like mine but was not aware it was in the M6, guess so....
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Old 08-29-2013, 07:23 PM   #15
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Here's a stock tune as an example of how it's limited vs rpm.
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Old 08-30-2013, 06:58 AM   #16
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I don't want to come off as being rude with this question but I just wanted to ask. To the admin that moved my post. Why did my general question post get moved deep into "Dragstrip, Tracking, Autocrossing, Driving Techniques Discussions Performance driving discussions"? My question has nothing to do with tracking the car or driving techniques. It just had to do with what should have been a general question. it seems like every other post I write gets moved deep into this forum and dies. Again I'm not trying to come off as being rude but I was just wondering why this keeps happening.
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Old 08-30-2013, 07:18 AM   #17
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Here's a stock tune as an example of how it's limited vs rpm.
What exactly are the numbers meaning? May sound stupid, but is it saying that at 3000rpm it limits it to 280 ft lbs?
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What exactly are the numbers meaning? May sound stupid, but is it saying that at 3000rpm it limits it to 280 ft lbs?
thats what im assuming
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That's what it means. That's the engine torque management. Well, part of it.
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:57 AM   #20
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Yep, just part of the TqMgmt, but it is the Tq (ft/lb) limit table vs. RPM. Just found the thread again. lol.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:16 AM   #21
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Yep, just part of the TqMgmt, but it is the Tq (ft/lb) limit table vs. RPM. Just found the thread again. lol.
I know I had to check the posts under my name this morning to find it again. How does the car limit the TQ after 3k RPM's? Also why would Chevy tune down the car from the factory? I hear some saying that the car should wake up after 1500 miles.
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Old 08-30-2013, 10:20 AM   #22
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I know I had to check the posts under my name this morning to find it again. How does the car limit the TQ after 3k RPM's? Also why would Chevy tune down the car from the factory? I hear some saying that the car should wake up after 1500 miles.
Manufactures de-tune cars to make them safer and last "longer". Plus the goal for a car manufactor is to make the car hook and go. Makes it faster that way. They dont want to make it so the tires just spin as that is not good for anyone going WOT.

I had the same feeling as you when i first got my car 4 years ago. I had an 05 gto that i could just stomp on the throttle and light em up at will. But those pirellis are some soft sticky tires.

But you will notice a difference after your tune. Yes you dont pick up that much HP from a simple tune. But it allows the HP to act more freely.
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