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Old 08-31-2013, 02:15 PM   #26
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Maybe you could rent a manual car of some sort and see how she likes it??
I have the Auto but would have opted for Manual if not for the wife needing to drive.

I've heard the cup holders w/M6 are useless - interferes with shifting (perhaps not w/a 6 oz low profile coffee cup!)

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THIS! I will say the cup holders in the manual SUCK lol i dont bother with drinks because no matter how small the cup it gets in the way. and if i give in ill hold the cup the whole time in my left hand and drive n shift with my right (its not hard to do). the point is, cups being in the cup holders do suck for the manual trans camaros. imo they should have made holders behind the arm rest, even my cobalt had that
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:27 PM   #27
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I went through this whole debate last year.
I'm really glad I got the automatic. I'm impressed.
I've always driven Manual, Including a 96 Z28+SS, up till I got the 06 MC SS, didn't come in Manual.
The ZL1 A6 works great. Love the PTM's and the paddles if/when I want to play.
I'm also glad I went for the Navigation and Sunroof. No Regrets.
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:28 PM   #28
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Nice thing about a manual is that you can "hot rod" around and get the sensation of speed with out really speeding vs a automatic which you usually have to mat the accelerator to the floor for a while to feel all of its 580hp.... but by then you are usually going fast enough to be arrested. Sure you can keep the auto in a lower gear but you still miss out on all the little nuances of going through the gears with little hints of WOT before, during and after shifts so you can hear all the popping and blurbing coming from the exhaust vs the consistent linear roar from the auto car. I'd get an auto if it was going to be a heavily modded daily driver that would see a lot of time at the drag races and a manual if it was going to be a fun weekend car with light mods and no track time.
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:45 PM   #29
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Nice thing about a manual is that you can "hot rod" around and get the sensation of speed with out really speeding vs a automatic which you usually have to mat the accelerator to the floor for a while to feel all of its 580hp.... but by then you are usually going fast enough to be arrested. Sure you can keep the auto in a lower gear but you still miss out on all the little nuances of going through the gears with little hints of WOT before, during and after shifts so you can hear all the popping and blurbing coming from the exhaust vs the consistent linear roar from the auto car. I'd get an auto if it was going to be a heavily modded daily driver that would see a lot of time at the drag races and a manual if it was going to be a fun weekend car with light mods and no track time.

Sure you can keep the auto in a lower gear but you still miss out on all the little nuances of going through the gears with little hints of WOT before, during and after shifts so you can hear all the popping and blurbing coming from the exhaust vs the consistent linear roar from the auto car.

You can do this with the auto either using the paddles (same as manual except no clutch) or using the sport mode it will downshift like a manual.

I hear mine popping all he time in the sport mode it even senses how you are driving and downshifts appropriately. This is the best automatic I have ever driven. The only thing I miss in the manual is pushing in the clutch. NOT!
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:47 PM   #30
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The cup holders are that bad with the manual? Damn. The vert wasn't bad but it was an auto. She loved the auto but never used the paddle shifters. She also got caught by a friend doing north of 3 digit land. That was a v 6. I was told this am to get the manual. Hope the one I want is still there Tuesday. Blk m6 silver rims. She said she is willing to learn the manual in my 71 3/4 ton gmc.
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:49 PM   #31
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Sure you can keep the auto in a lower gear but you still miss out on all the little nuances of going through the gears with little hints of WOT before, during and after shifts so you can hear all the popping and blurbing coming from the exhaust vs the consistent linear roar from the auto car.

You can do this with the auto either using the paddles (same as manual except no clutch) or using the sport mode it will downshift like a manual.

I hear mine popping all he time in the sport mode it even senses how you are driving and downshifts appropriately. This is the best automatic I have ever driven. The only thing I miss in the manual is pushing in the clutch. NOT!



This isn't like a Gen4 with a 3.8 auto trans, this thing is nothing but baddass. Also the harder you drive it, the harder it shifts. The programing is adaptive, and knows when you mean business.
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Old 08-31-2013, 02:50 PM   #32
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And the autos in my area are damn hard to find.
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Old 08-31-2013, 04:13 PM   #33
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automatic all the way just do some search on the 6L90E and you will be amaze and theres no issue on that tranny's yet and lots of ppl are beating them alot on the drag strip.more constant and quicker on the 60 and for those manual guys who talks about the feeling with there manual tranny well you should have been trying that 6L90E in sport mod with the paddleshift activated,i can bounce the rev on my A6 Z like any other manual tranny would do and i would say even better,quicker and louder!
(and for the manual tranny bud's don't try to tell me that you did try an auto SS and it was sh...it bc the SS have the 6L80E and that tranny is not heavy duty like 6L90E and its not a pre-stage double cluch and dosen't have the same algorithme)

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Old 08-31-2013, 04:35 PM   #34
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The cup holders are that bad with the manual? Damn. The vert wasn't bad but it was an auto. She loved the auto but never used the paddle shifters. She also got caught by a friend doing north of 3 digit land. That was a v 6. I was told this am to get the manual. Hope the one I want is still there Tuesday. Blk m6 silver rims. She said she is willing to learn the manual in my 71 3/4 ton gmc.
They are absolutely a terrible design. Probably the worst I've even seen or driven in a manual car. They could have at least put a cup holder in the door panel.

OP - As others have mentioned; It's hard to beat the fun and exhilaration of a manual car; but the auto in this car is stout and nothing like the typical slush box autos. I would have gotten one; but I got a smoking deal on my car and no regrets. Can't go wrong either way.
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Old 08-31-2013, 05:14 PM   #35
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You really cant explain it with WORDS.
You have to put in sport mode, pull it all the way down, and get on it to fully understand how badass this auto is.
I would have bought the manual but when I went in for a test drive they didn't have one. Luckily I had a salesman who really new the car and he showed me how this thing is supposed to be used.
I NEVER TAKE MINE OUT OF "MANUAL/SPORT"
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Old 08-31-2013, 06:47 PM   #36
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i will say this. if i was in the market for a SS or ZL1 i would consider getting a auto but because i have a v6 i need all the ponies i can get out of her so i went manual without thinking twice. as for the auto trans they wake up even more with a tune so you cant leave that part out. at the end of the day we all drive the same car. i for one would never make fun of another camaro thats auto; as long as you keep it from looking rice you're good in my book.
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The cup holders are that bad with the manual? Damn. The vert wasn't bad but it was an auto. She loved the auto but never used the paddle shifters. She also got caught by a friend doing north of 3 digit land. That was a v 6. I was told this am to get the manual. Hope the one I want is still there Tuesday. Blk m6 silver rims. She said she is willing to learn the manual in my 71 3/4 ton gmc.
...yes, they are, and if you put anything in them they become an issue with your right arm making making contact with them if any drink or tall object is placed in them. I think Top Gear did a car model test, and part of that was a center console drink holder comparison between the ZL1 and GT 500 and they smashed the drink in the ZL1, which was a no brainer to begin with BTW!.....
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Old 08-31-2013, 10:31 PM   #38
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I like the Auto.
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Old 09-01-2013, 03:49 AM   #39
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Love the M6. Its a true pleasure to drive. If its a toy as mine is, cup holders not really an issue. I just stop for 'coffee'. People love to talk about the car every where I stop. Part of the joy ride I guess. You could always buy your wife her own automatic toy
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Old 09-01-2013, 03:56 AM   #40
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The only reason why I got an AUTO is because I am in a city that has a crap load of traffic and I commute. Plus, manual is fun and all and so is the AUTO.... if you are in a city that has a lot of traffic and you will drive your car a lot in traffic, stay away from manual. If its your weekend car and you live in the suburbs, by all means, manual is the way to go.
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Old 09-01-2013, 07:45 AM   #41
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manual is way more fun to drive. wont ever buy an auto until my left leg doesn't work anymore.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:03 AM   #42
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manual is way more fun to drive. wont ever buy an auto until my left leg doesn't work anymore.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:29 AM   #43
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manual is way more fun to drive. wont ever buy an auto until my left leg doesn't work anymore.
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I had to drive a rental this week for travel, and naturally it was a auto and I can't tell you how many times my left foot was looking for a clutch.

To me, to be more in tune with the road, more focused on driving, the auto just doesn't deliver in those areas like a manual does.
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Well the bottom line is I would like some in put fro all you guys with either. I want a manual wife wants an auto(she can't drive a manual). Auto guys how do you like them, manual guys the same. This is a toy not a dd.
If it were me and I was about to buy a top of the line Camaro just for kicks nothing in the Universe would stop me from buying it with a manual. My wife could be Helen of Troy with her ass on fire and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

In other words...you shouldn't listen to me on this one.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:15 PM   #45
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Sorry I've been busy all day. Took the misses out in the 71. Lord. I won't no till Tuesday on the blk 6 SPd manual. I will say this, it will be a while before she runs the z. God bless gm for the good old 4 SPd.
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Old 09-01-2013, 10:22 PM   #46
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I have auto and my husband has manual. When I drive his camaro I don't feel cool in it eventhough its aqua blue and gorgeous cuz I feel like I can't relax and enjoy my cruise. But I'm a terrible manual driver. He has admitted that sometimes he wished he had auto and both of our cars are weekend toys. Auto is much easier and faster on the track though.

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Old 09-01-2013, 11:07 PM   #47
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I LOVE the manual. IMO, the stick really provides the most of the driving sensation. The micro difference between the 0-60 of 1/4 mile couldn't be felt. Rowing the gears while going into corners can't be beat in this car. I was just out for an evening drive and I still have a big smile on my face.

Ultimately, you can't go wrong with either. You'll win with either choice!
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Old 09-02-2013, 02:34 AM   #48
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plus with manual you can skip shift if you're that lazy 1,2,3,5,6 or 1,2,4,6 you really dont need to shift EVERY gear to make the car move.
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Old 09-02-2013, 01:44 PM   #49
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For those that are limited either by traffic conditions, physical conditions or just cannot drive manual I'm sure they experience most of the thrills this car can produce! I have stated before that the 7:41:27 Nurburgring time was done in a MANUAL CAR! Real driving experience here!

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Everyone's circumstance's is different so there is no perfect answer. This question gets asked a lot search will give you the information you need. I will say this though if you use your car a lot on a track,you have bad knees,your spouse drives it as well and hates manual or you deal with heavy city traffic auto makes perfect sense. The paddles are fun but for me i have to have manuals on my toys its 80% of the enjoyment. For people who never owned a manual all i can say is be open minded about it and give it a chance. Hope this helps and good luck.
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