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Old 08-30-2013, 08:33 AM   #222
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I have to agree with Fraxum says in his last post. The dyno numbers are one thing but time slips are another. It seems that Fraxum has had both cars and would have good idea of what both are capable of doing. I love reading the debates on here about this and believe that the stock 1LE is a better car on the curves but I dont see the proof they are better in the 1/8 and 1/4 mile. The time slips shown on this site are the only ones I see.
Why does everyone think the 1LE should be faster in the 1/4 than a non-1LE SS

Too many people focus on the 3.91 gear and assume "it must be faster" but they don't take into consideration the trans gearing is different as well. 1st/2nd gearing is taller in the 1LE and there is a shift required into 4th gear that is not needed in the non-1LE SS. Add to that the "stretched" Goodyears on a 11 inch wheel which provide no sidewall flex and you have a car that by all means should be slower than a non-1LE SS.

Below are the "fast lists"......they more or less show that the 1LE is no quicker (and it shouldn't be) than a standard SS. I know that there is another 1LE that best me with a 12.88x but I dont see him on here yet.


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Old 08-30-2013, 08:47 AM   #223
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Dropspeed I'm with you on this, I keep reading how the 1LE is faster than the SS in a drag race and the time slips on here don't prove it. Since you have the fastest 1LE on the list I think you are the man so far. Since the SS and 1LE both are great cars we can enjoy both for what they are but until the 1LE stock can prove their claims with time slips the SS stock guys are going to continue to laugh.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:55 AM   #224
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Why does everyone think the 1LE should be faster in the 1/4 than a non-1LE SS

Too many people focus on the 3.91 gear and assume "it must be faster" but they don't take into consideration the trans gearing is different as well. 1st/2nd gearing is taller in the 1LE and there is a shift required into 4th gear that is not needed in the non-1LE SS. Add to that the "stretched" Goodyears on a 11 inch wheel which provide no sidewall flex and you have a car that by all means should be slower than a non-1LE SS.

Below are the "fast lists"......they more or less show that the 1LE is no quicker (and it shouldn't be) than a standard SS. I know that there is another 1LE that best me with a 12.88x but I dont see him on here yet.


Here is the 1LE fast list:



Here is the NON-1LE fast list:




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I agree with your analogy of the 1LE at the drag strip, and would like to add that the stiffer suspension reducing weight transfer as another down side to the 1LE. It is my opinion that if your intent is to only drag race a new Camaro, the money spent on a 1LE would be better spent on additions to a standard SS, but to each his own.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:57 AM   #225
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It has been a couple of months since they posted their before and after graph. Seemed off topic in the Baseline thread, but whatever... It's not like he is comparing factory options NPP and standard exhaust.
I'll take care of that soon.

Probably should just PM the guy. If you dont get a response you may want to checkout some of his posts. There are some interesting debates about it in the other thread.
I look forward to your NPP vs Std test, and hope it can be performed on similar weather days. People underestimate the effect air quality can have on dyno results.
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Old 08-30-2013, 09:04 AM   #226
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I agree with your analogy of the 1LE at the drag strip, and would like to add that the stiffer suspension reducing weight transfer as another down side to the 1LE. It is my opinion that if your intent is to only drag race a new Camaro, the money spent on a 1LE would be better spent on additions to a standard SS, but to each his own.
Agreed!.....I am wordy so I cut my post short, but that is also a factor....

There is not reason the 1LE should be faster than an SS and more reasons it should not.
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Old 09-02-2013, 06:07 PM   #227
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dyno'd mine yesterday on a buddies dynojet.

Bone stock,
950 hard break-in miles w/"high octane fuse reset"
Standard exhaust

391.91whp/380.15wtq



Kooks stepped headers and Kooks exhaust w/hi-flow cats are on their way
I'll re-dyno once they are installed and tuned

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Old 09-03-2013, 10:14 PM   #228
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The 1LE is no faster than a non-1LE SS.

However there are some drivers who are faster in 1LEs than most other drivers in thier 1LEs.

I got down to 13.2 stock after about 60 runs. Time for DRs and mods.
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:34 PM   #229
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stock with a CAI from cold air inductions
380 hp 362 tq best of 3 pulls very hot humid day in TX
RunFile-002.drt -241081201310:53:48AM Run Type: RO Run Conditions:94.30'F,29.31 in-Hg, Humidity: 45%, SAE: 1.05
Max Power = 380.30 Max Torque = 362.46
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:47 PM   #230
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On a different dyno on a different day in TX
Same set up stock CAI
RunFile-007.dfi - 8127 t2013'12:57'.04 PM Run Type: RO Run Conditions: 90.41 'F, 29.74 in-Hg, Humidity: 42o/o, SAE: 1.02
Max Power = 375.33 Max Torque = 352.99

Got to love the heat and humidity
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:16 PM   #231
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Put the 1LE on the dyno today, SW headers, plastic k&n cai, no tuning changes. No cool down from driving all day. 409/409 so I woild say 400+ stock is a stretch. Car was 13.6 afr and -6 degrees timing. Needs a tune.
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Old 01-15-2014, 05:19 PM   #232
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I should add, this was with winter wheel setup, gray factory 20's and pirellis, not 1le wheels. Also car has npp and no cats. 109x miles.
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Old 02-02-2014, 05:33 PM   #233
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409rwhp and 404 ftlbs. Mostly stock except CAI and Vmax. No tune, or anything else other than NPP with fuse pulled. That is around 476 at the crank, even being generous and having CAI and vmax add 25hp still means 450ish so they are under rating them.



This was a group meet, so over a dozen other cars were dyno'd as well. That day other stock cars were putting out typical numbers so I tend to believe the numbers (really surprised me thou)

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Old 02-02-2014, 08:03 PM   #234
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AirRaid cold air and 400 rwhp

Just recently got my 1LE tested at the AirRaid company here in Phonenix. They installed their latest air intake in my otherwise stock 1LE with about 5500 miles on it.
This is high altitude phoenix on approximately a 75 degree dry day.

400 RWHP, I think thats pretty damn good.

Oh Yes it was a Mustang dyno.

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Old 02-02-2014, 09:07 PM   #235
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Hey jim, npp?
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Old 02-02-2014, 09:43 PM   #236
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Hey jim, npp?

Yes, it has NPP. I have said it before and I'm not talking about drag strip times where the close ratio gearbox might actually hurt 1/4 mile times.

I have driven quite a few stock SS's and this car feels more powerful.

Either way now I have a baseline for my mods.

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Old 02-03-2014, 09:42 AM   #237
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Just recently got my 1LE tested at the AirRaid company here in Phonenix. They installed their latest air intake in my otherwise stock 1LE with about 5500 miles on it.
This is high altitude phoenix on approximately a 75 degree dry day.

400 RWHP, I think thats pretty damn good.

Oh Yes it was a Mustang dyno.

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Did they do a baseline prior to the install?....I would assume they would have to in order to show the increase.

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Old 02-03-2014, 10:32 AM   #238
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2013 1LE NPP STOCK 391/391

Dynoed within hours of another 2013 1LE and a 2014 SS. All three were within 2 hp.

Looking back at the logs I believe it would have made a little more power had there been a third pull.

Timing was less than I expected. I attribute that to lower temps.

And by "stock" I mean just as I drove it off the dealer lot plus 2700 miles of sensible, but hard break-in and factory oil.
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